Marcus Rashford - Barcelona Watch

NoLogo said:
I think Amorim had a problem with players that had a very opinionated entourage around them and Rashford certainly falls into that category. Given the drama about "free Kobie" or whatever they said, I would hazard a guess that with Mainoo the problems Amorim saw weren't really football related either. I'm not saying that this is a goo attitude for a coach/manager to have but I had the feeling it was driving a lot of the decisions on what players he would consider having the "right" attitude to play for him.
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The Amorim thing was weird because he said something about watching what players eat and how they dress, which was never expanded on, when he explained why Rashford got dropped initially.

I think most agree it was time for Rashford to move on, he was a very good but not great player and one of our few real goal threats but his head had gone in my opinion. He seemed distracted, or at least not committed, so I don't think Amorim made a bad choice in finally just saying enough was enough. I suspect that Ineos assumed they would have sold him by now for a good fee though, same with Sancho, I don't think they realised how difficult those two would be to shift. Will be pretty incredible for the books this summer with Rashford, Sancho and Case all leaving, that's like £1m a week in wages depending on the source you look at.
 
Anustart89 said:
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying if you’re worth hundreds of millions and you choose another 20-25 and misery over happiness and 20-25m less then questions will arise over what your motivation is.

People in regular jobs might need the extra 10% in their bank accounts to cover their expenses, people in Rashford’s salary bracket generally don’t need to make those decisions to make ends meet.
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I don't think he cares these are just puff pieces wouldnt take them seriously .
 
tomaldinho1 said:
The Amorim thing was weird because he said something about watching what players eat and how they dress, which was never expanded on, when he explained why Rashford got dropped initially.

I think most agree it was time for Rashford to move on, he was a very good but not great player and one of our few real goal threats but his head had gone in my opinion. He seemed distracted, or at least not committed, so I don't think Amorim made a bad choice in finally just saying enough was enough. I suspect that Ineos assumed they would have sold him by now for a good fee though, same with Sancho, I don't think they realised how difficult those two would be to shift. Will be pretty incredible for the books this summer with Rashford, Sancho and Case all leaving, that's like £1m a week in wages depending on the source you look at.
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Well that is if we manage to move them on. The nutrition thing is okay I feel, nutrition is an important part of sports just go and ask Ronaldo. Clothing on the other hand seems a bit weird, people should be allowed to rock whatever style they want, within reasonable limits. If a player was rocking a KKK outfit or similar that's the time you need to be moving them on based on the cloth they wear.
 
Alex99 said:
He's the definition of an agenda poster on this issue.

He never acknowledges that Rashford had an extended period of poor form and obvious lack of effort (which included him being dropped by England for Euro 2024), seems to have selective amnesia about Rashford's decision to skip training before a match to go on a piss-up in Belfast, six months after signing his big contract, and has also seemingly forgotten that both Garnacho and Rashford were dropped by Amorim, but even Garnacho managed to show him up for a lack of professionalism and application, getting back into the team fairly quickly, while Rashford was out sitting down to tell the media he had no future at the club.

He's also feigned ignorance on the matter of Rashford's astronomical wage, and the knock-on effects that would have on his teammates asking for better deals and the club's ability to sign new players, should he return.

The only thing he's interested in doing is pretending that anyone who doesn't believe the sun shines out of Rashford's arse is some sort of naive imbecile, taken in by a few comments from Amorim.
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I literally don’t think he put in low effort, barely care about him going out drinking and think we’ve lost an incredible player for basically nothing for no reason.
 
Wumminator said:
I literally don’t think he put in low effort, barely care about him going out drinking and think we’ve lost an incredible player for basically nothing for no reason.
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This has quite literally reached "he's not going to shag you" levels with you.
 
Is Wumminator Marcus' burner redcafe account? :lol:

In realistic terms why are we arguing about our exes all the time? it's either Amorim or this guy :lol:

He was dreadful for a long time, and other than shot power and speed he lacks a lot of other qualities to be a world class player.
I really believe he loved the club, he grew up here he is good but not top top talent. But he makes more money than Bruno and (Mbeumo and Cunha)combined.
He is the worst value for money player we have currently.

Maybe let's wait and see.

Him off the books (hopefully) and Case, means what, 40m gross salaries available?
 
I was listening to a couple of Barcelona fans today talking about their current players and potential signings and did not interfere with them - not once did I hear the name Rashford, so I don't think that's a good sign :lol:
 
AjaxCunian said:
23 goal contributions in all competitions for Barcelona
- 1903 minutes, meaning 1g/a per 82 minutes or 1.09 g/a per 90

10 goal contributions in all competitions for Aston Villa
-940 minutes, meaning 1g/a per 94 minutes or 0.96 g/a per 90

It's not world class, and relatively he seems to do be doing better in cup competitions than the league but the way some talk about him as if he's some average player is just laughable. He is doing very well in terms of producing.
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He’s not producing many goals, which I’m sure those at Barcelona are noticing. Greatest respect but many footballers could produce assists in the Barca team. He’s a wide forward he needs to score
 
Wumminator said:
I literally don’t think he put in low effort, barely care about him going out drinking and think we’ve lost an incredible player for basically nothing for no reason.
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So incredible he can’t even cement a starting place in a team he’s on loan at.
 
Wumminator said:
I’m genuinely worried people watch that video and think it means anything.
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What’s more worrying is fans like you seeing nothing wrong with it and still referring to him as an incredible player. That’s worrying.
 
Chief123 said:
What’s more worrying is fans like you seeing nothing wrong with it and still referring to him as an incredible player. That’s worrying.
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Agreed…good player that’s incredibly lazy and trying to cement his last contract. Once he gets that he will go back to being a lazy player
 
Wumminator said:
I literally don’t think he put in low effort, barely care about him going out drinking and think we’ve lost an incredible player for basically nothing for no reason.
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Laziest United player we have had.
 
golden_blunder said:
He’s not producing many goals, which I’m sure those at Barcelona are noticing. Greatest respect but many footballers could produce assists in the Barca team. He’s a wide forward he needs to score
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He's one of 6 players to reach 10 goals for the season, he's scoring but people like to throw in the caveat that he has to do it in the league for some reason. His minutes for the last few weeks have been halved near enough since Raphinha has come back, which is expected but as long as he's effecting games then I don't think anyone at Barca will have a problem or care if he's the one creating the goals or scoring them.
 
Wumminator said:
I literally don’t think he put in low effort, barely care about him going out drinking and think we’ve lost an incredible player for basically nothing for no reason.
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Incredible player? Decent bench option for a top side or good starter for a mid table side. Hes anything but incredible, thats actually hilarious.
Hes lazy, his key attribute is scoring goals and he averaged 9 pl a goals a season with us playing as a forward with no defensive duties
 
Frank White said:
Just not true though is it? Especially over the course of his entire United career from start to finish. Maybe at toward the end but was he any worse then say a Martial?
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I don't remember him ever working hard.
 
golden_blunder said:
He’s not producing many goals, which I’m sure those at Barcelona are noticing. Greatest respect but many footballers could produce assists in the Barca team. He’s a wide forward he needs to score
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He also produced many assists at Villa, so he did in the academy. He developed into a wide forward at United but was more of a wide midfielder coming through the academy.

His creative passing, delivery and chance creation has always been a strength and there are few players in the world producing to that standard as he has been for the last year.

Seems all a bit weird to me.
 
Frank White said:
He's one of 6 players to reach 10 goals for the season, he's scoring but people like to throw in the caveat that he has to do it in the league for some reason. His minutes for the last few weeks have been halved near enough since Raphinha has come back, which is expected but as long as he's effecting games then I don't think anyone at Barca will have a problem or care if he's the one creating the goals or scoring them.
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There is a different standard being held for Rashford, and it is really weird.
 
Wumminator said:
I literally don’t think he put in low effort, barely care about him going out drinking and think we’ve lost an incredible player for basically nothing for no reason.
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All the evicence of his career points towards him being very good, but hardly "incredible". He's very clearly a worse player than the actually incredible forwards who start for Barcelona(Raphinha and Lamine), and during his time in Manchester he was only really incredible for a couple stretches of the 20/21 and 22/23 seasons

He turns 29 this year, at this point, this is the player he is. And you replaced him with two players(Mbeumo and Cunha) who are pretty much just as good

Now I don't trust your club's decision makers at all because *points at the last 12 years* but they have a much better picture of Rashford's problems in Manchester. Not to mention the fact they have him signed up for a contract paying him double his worth...
 
NotChatGPT said:
Part of the problem in our scenario is that Barcelona are skint and Rashford is fairly clear about what he wants. Maybe there'd be a bit of a concern from their side if he was performing better and more open to joining other clubs, but the impression is that he's going to be more than happy to sit back and try to force a lower transfer fee if Barcelona don't cough up the pre-agreed fee.
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Yep which was my point, they have to decide how much he is worth to them. If they don't care and think he isn't good value at the agreed fee then they won't pay it. If they think he is worth it, they will.

If they are willing to lose him over £5-10m then they don't give a single shit about him. Its also not usually a ringing endorsement of your faith in a player to say "yeah, sure, we'll buy you if it costs us almost nothing but if its going to cost us as much as a crap player then no thanks". Barca always find money when they want to. £26m is nothing for a footballer.
 
Strangely entirely disinterested in Marcus, he feels like something from our dim distant past. Some great moments with him and Tony Martial upfront under Ole.

Like an old girlfriend after you've married someone much better, I sorta hope he's happy but honestly don't really care enormously either way. Certainly never want to see him in a red shirt again.
 
If we end up getting a CL spot this season. Then Rashford becomes a big problem for us. Back to his full, ridiculous, salary at United. Barca aren’t going to sign him and he won’t take a pay cut anywhere else as he knows he will get £350k a week or whatever it is, with us.
The thought of him coming back to United to jog around the pitch, half arsed again, is quite a depressing thought.
 
Wumminator said:
I’m genuinely worried people watch that video and think it means anything.
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It's just fine example of one of his many incredible performances for Utd over the last few years.

Incredible player, always gave 100%.
 
Hammondo said:
I don't remember him ever working hard.
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He always was more of a "luxury" player who looked like he was exempt from having to work defensively. That being said when I watched him for Barca he actually presses just like the rest of the team, it's not like he can't do it, he for some reason either didn't want to when he was playing for us or the lack of competition at our club allowed him to get away with it.
 
NoLogo said:
He always was more of a "luxury" player who looked like he was exempt from having to work defensively. That being said when I watched him for Barca he actually presses just like the rest of the team, it's not like he can't do it, he for some reason either didn't want to when he was playing for us or the lack of competition at our club allowed him to get away with it.
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For Barcelona he doesn't track back though, he's not the only one but it's a big problem for Barcelona (not rashford specifically but the general team attitude).
 
Hammondo said:
For Barcelona he doesn't track back though, he's not the only one but it's a big problem for Barcelona (not rashford specifically but the general team attitude).
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Well for us he didn't even press which is something I at least saw him do for Barca. I think since we play Bruno and Mbeumo as the players leading the press we look like a completely different team in pressing, something we could never do when Rashford was a starter for us.
 
TheRedHearted said:
So he’s got ten and ten and he isn’t starting?
Seems pretty effective.
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He’s got 4 league goals in 20 appearances.
Antony has 5 in 17 appearances. Tells you everything you need to know. Antony who was massively out of his depth in the prem is out performing Rashford in the same league playing for a team which is significantly weaker than Rashford’s. The reach by some of you fans to raise Rashford to a level he’s clearly not at is funny.
 
Yea bloody shame so many people don't realize that a goal contribution every 90 and leading the side in goal involvements in the CL this season for a rotational player isn't actually a sign of being any good!






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Getting a goal every 4 or 5 games doesn't justify completely shirking your defensive responsibilities. We've had great wide players here over the years. Genuine top-tier talents like Beckham and Giggs that would burst their balls running up and down, tracking back, putting in hard yards. Both were in another stratosphere in terms of quality to Rashford. Neither of them half-arsed it on the pitch for a second. We have to look at a guy who challenges for a ball in the air like some princess afraid of breaking a nail and we have to be fine with it because "goal contributions?"

Even if he scores a goal every match between now and the end of the season he spent years spitting in our faces, walking around the pitch doing the bare minimum. If he gets permanent move to Barcelona or another loan deal elsewhere next season then good luck to him, but he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near this club again.
 
Chief123 said:
He’s got 4 league goals in 20 appearances.
Antony has 5 in 17 appearances. Tells you everything you need to know. Antony who was massively out of his depth in the prem is out performing Rashford in the same league playing for a team which is significantly weaker than Rashford’s. The reach by some of you fans to raise Rashford to a level he’s clearly not at is funny.
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It would be so easy to provide a more balanced view.
 
Chief123 said:
He’s got 4 league goals in 20 appearances.
Antony has 5 in 17 appearances. Tells you everything you need to know. Antony who was massively out of his depth in the prem is out performing Rashford in the same league playing for a team which is significantly weaker than Rashford’s. The reach by some of you fans to raise Rashford to a level he’s clearly not at is funny.
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Have you watched much of either? Just for reference is this is how we judge players now purely on goals, nothing else? Oh and only in the league too, CL goals don't count, assists don't count, cup games goals don't count.
 
Chief123 said:
He’s got 4 league goals in 20 appearances.
Antony has 5 in 17 appearances. Tells you everything you need to know. Antony who was massively out of his depth in the prem is out performing Rashford in the same league playing for a team which is significantly weaker than Rashford’s. The reach by some of you fans to raise Rashford to a level he’s clearly not at is funny.
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It really doesn't. Antony is playing 90 minutes every week and as one of the stars, if not the star, of that Betis team is getting a lot of the ball. Rashford by contrast is typically a bench option and frequently comes on later in games when the result is already done and dusted and the players around him are more concerned with seeing out the 90 than chasing more goals. Rashford is not a great player but trying to make the case that Antony is better using the fact he has 1 more league goal without any context is an argument made in very bad faith.
 
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