Pretty much this. It would also help reduce criticism when underperforming on godly contract if his highness would at least show some resemblance of effort. Not just no effort or just some fake effort for the cameras. His body language is not consistent with his PR efforts. Yes he scored a goal at the weekend good on him and I hope he will kick on. But his general game and off the ball workrate is still not even close to being good enough.
Marcus Rashford confidant thinks some critics are "bullying" him.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
But which player doesn’t get trolled online?
Rashford has never faced intense criticism from mainstream sources and has a lot of support from media, commentators and pundits that quite frankly he doesn’t deserve considering his performances. Almost every time commentators will be surprised when he is substituted and will slyly mention how the manager has got it wrong.
This leak from his camp is bizarre.
Exactly this, can be posted in one of the other threads but oh no, let's create another thread with the same old shite.
People still trying to justify excessive abuse because.... Wages, body language and being fortunate enough to be playing for United?
Cringe...
Posters say, show effort - he's been doing that, it'll never be enough for some. Score goals - did that on the weekend but performance still criticised. Act happier... Honestly?
Am I the only one that thinks it's kinda embarrassing, shameful and never a good look? One of the few anyway............
Cringe...
Posters say, show effort - he's been doing that, it'll never be enough for some. Score goals - did that on the weekend but performance still criticised. Act happier... Honestly?
Am I the only one that thinks it's kinda embarrassing, shameful and never a good look? One of the few anyway............
Yes, hence the title of the thread.
Maybe you could write a guide that details appropriate behaviour, like a website or something, It could give a set of clear guidelines for what to say and how to think, that you have personally deemed to be worthy of inclusion on the site. Can't see it catching on myself, but maybe it would help alleviate your neurosis. I'm being glib, and It's upsetting when many people hold a different viewpoint to your own, but it's also kinda the point of a forum right?People still trying to justify excessive abuse because.... Wages, body language and being fortunate enough to be playing for United?
Cringe...
Posters say, show effort - he's been doing that, it'll never be enough for some. Score goals - did that on the weekend but performance still criticised. Act happier... Honestly?
Am I the only one that thinks it's kinda embarrassing, shameful and never a good look? One of the few anyway............
Onto Rashford, I think what's happened is the media have picked up on things that fans have been noticing for a long time.I don't really see how it's bullying as seems to be valid criticism, and I think painting it as such isn't going to go down very well. That being said, I personally think Rashford has been a lot better this season, but it can take time for perceptions to shift. He's a great player on his day, but unfortunately, he has the status, both in wage and PR, of being a player who is mostly great every day, like Salah, Haaland or De Bruyne. Until he consistently matches the impact and output of these players, which I think we can all agree that he consistently has not, there will always be disquiet and people who think the status he has is unwarranted and detrimental to the future success of the club. There is a lot of evidential support for this sentiment, so I think just being as insulting as you can get away with, under the rules of the forum, is unlikely to change many opinions.
Reads like made up bs, not to say Rashford is above engaging in some PR stuff, but the article reads like it's made up and has no basis in reality
He's been incredibly fortunate in the criticism he's received from the media. It's so odd seeing everyone fall over themselves to mitigate any criticisms levelled by adding the seemingly obligated line of "he's clearly a very talented player, his talent isn't in doubt". No other player gets that. None. The guy could drive onto the pitch and run over all his team-mates and it's 99% certain before the pundits in the studio dare be critical of the move, they'll feel obliged to temper their criticism by pointing out that obviously he's a top player, and his talent isn't in doubt, but killing 7 and injuring 3 other team mates, might suggest something isn't quite right.
That's the other one isn't it? He's never awful or bad or needs to take a look at himself or a disgrace to the shirt. It's always "Something isn't quite right there" or "I'm concerned".
The euphemisms employed to try and avoid saying what everyone (including themselves) thinks about his performance and conduct on the pitch has been quite extraordinary. Easily one of the most protected players in recent memory. Shearer dared to point out that he wasn't a kid any more a couple of weeks ago. Monster! How dare he!
Didn't his brother jump all over Gary Neville a few weeks back because he said something like "I'm concerned" or similar. Apparently Nev is responsible for Rashford's wellbeing and should have picked up the phone instead of offer a view on the telly. These are the people that are supposedly representing him. So I can well believe everyone around him feels terribly aggrieved at any form of criticism and interpret that as bullying.
If only those who boo find a way of chanting "He's obviously a very talent player, his ability certainly isn't in doubt..booooo" - he wouldn't mind so much.
That's the other one isn't it? He's never awful or bad or needs to take a look at himself or a disgrace to the shirt. It's always "Something isn't quite right there" or "I'm concerned".
The euphemisms employed to try and avoid saying what everyone (including themselves) thinks about his performance and conduct on the pitch has been quite extraordinary. Easily one of the most protected players in recent memory. Shearer dared to point out that he wasn't a kid any more a couple of weeks ago. Monster! How dare he!
Didn't his brother jump all over Gary Neville a few weeks back because he said something like "I'm concerned" or similar. Apparently Nev is responsible for Rashford's wellbeing and should have picked up the phone instead of offer a view on the telly. These are the people that are supposedly representing him. So I can well believe everyone around him feels terribly aggrieved at any form of criticism and interpret that as bullying.
If only those who boo find a way of chanting "He's obviously a very talent player, his ability certainly isn't in doubt..booooo" - he wouldn't mind so much.
How does anyone even pay enough mind to crappy journalism like this to even formulate an opinion on it, beyond it being crappy journalism?
He hardly has the profile of Salah, Haaland etc, particularly given he was dropped from the euros squad and isn't a guaranteed starter anymore.
I agree that crap stories like yhis don't necessarily deserve their own thread. We then end up with multiple threads all shitting on Rashford which is boring. This could easily go in the performance thread.
They did the same thing to Wayne Rooney. While Rooney was undeniably a better player than Rashford, I bring them both up because of the significant influence each had on their respective teams. Despite Rashford’s recent dip in form, there’s no one in the current squad likely to match his numbers—perhaps Højlund might, but the jury’s still out on him.
We’re talking about a player who ranks among Manchester United's top 20 all-time goalscorers. Yes, he hasn’t hit the same heights as a couple of seasons ago, and his inconsistency can be frustrating, but the level of criticism he’s receiving is unfair. If anything, it’s the other players—often overrated—who need to step up and perform like Rashford has in the past. If they did, the spotlight would shift away from him.
Take Jack Grealish, for example. In my opinion, he contributes very little for City—rarely scoring, only getting the occasional assist, and often being anonymous during games. Yet, the media are clamouring for him to be in the England squad, while Rashford is under fire because supposedly he no longer enjoys football.
For me, all Rashford can do is give his best effort, perform to the best of his ability, and silence the critics on the pitch.
We’re talking about a player who ranks among Manchester United's top 20 all-time goalscorers. Yes, he hasn’t hit the same heights as a couple of seasons ago, and his inconsistency can be frustrating, but the level of criticism he’s receiving is unfair. If anything, it’s the other players—often overrated—who need to step up and perform like Rashford has in the past. If they did, the spotlight would shift away from him.
Take Jack Grealish, for example. In my opinion, he contributes very little for City—rarely scoring, only getting the occasional assist, and often being anonymous during games. Yet, the media are clamouring for him to be in the England squad, while Rashford is under fire because supposedly he no longer enjoys football.
For me, all Rashford can do is give his best effort, perform to the best of his ability, and silence the critics on the pitch.
Can you see what I mean. The PR works, people are very easily manipulated.
If he thinks that’s bullying then i can’t begin to imagine how would he react towards the criticism if he played for Madrid 
If anything he gets wayyyy more leeway than anyone at this club. Plays like crap most of the time and still gets picked all the time. Every manager has been nothing but kind to him to put it mildly. One manager once said that he has to focus on his football more and he was forced to apologise publicly and that wasn’t anyone but a legend of this club. The guy yields too much power and it shows.
If anything he gets wayyyy more leeway than anyone at this club. Plays like crap most of the time and still gets picked all the time. Every manager has been nothing but kind to him to put it mildly. One manager once said that he has to focus on his football more and he was forced to apologise publicly and that wasn’t anyone but a legend of this club. The guy yields too much power and it shows.
If he had a wife, she'd post pictures of his accolades.
Dr Sir Marcus Rashford, MBE, Founder of the Marcus Rashford book club, feeder of children, purveyor of jigsaws and he has spent the entire summer getting FIT!
Feels like you've a comprehension issue.
What happened to just keeping quiet and doing the job on the field? If Rashford thinks this is bullying then he would have absolutely hated to be Wayne Rooney or Roy Keane who were subjects of constant vitriol everywhere they went and basically had no friends or sympathetic voices in the media. But we barely heard from both players when they were playing. Nothing shuts detractors up better rhan performing. Then they have to give you respect begrudgingly.
You're preaching to the choir a bit, as I agree with you - that's the frustrating thing as he has the status of an elite-level player, but he's actually an elite-level player about 2 times out of 10 (once you factor in the extremely lengthy patches of poor form etc. )
Just bullied Barnsley
Best and quickest way to shut people up, do the business.
Let’s hope that’s a kickstart for a good season
You are assuming a starting point of the poster, not everyone is a hater, I for one have always kept faith with Rashford, and believe that the way he was treated by ETH at the start of last season is massively to blame for his nose dive in performances, Rashford may well lose form quickly so this is not some bandwagonesque post just because he has scored a couple, I have been laughed at many times on this forum for referring to him as WC at his best.
For me I am disappointed by the story, just because it is ill considered, effectively I think nothing good can come of it.
What I would say is plenty of people are quick to jump on him for his "comments", but not so long ago we were all happy enough to kid gloves Sancho due to "mental health", framing is everything, clearly the way Rashford feels is impacting on his mental health and probably his form, but because it has been framed as bullying and not depression etc. (which is effectively the result) Rashford is lampooned, despite having contributed 1000 times more to Utd than Sancho ever will.
Part of me wants to be cynical and critical about young men being paid millions to kick a ball around and then mope if everything isn't just right for them and people do not bend over backward to make them feel special, part of me wants to yell that they should live in the real world, where people earn less in 5-10 years than they earn in a week etc. but this is not the real world, they have been brought up in an environment that is so alien to the way normal people live that I have to cut them a big slice of slack, as for Rashford, I think he is a sensitive lad, I think he is a nice, genuine lad, but I also think that he lives in such a disconnected way and has been raised to such heights that he disproportionately suffers mentally when things are not going well for him.
This is it, he has a PR team that is doing more damage than good, it seems like.
His team should be focusing on his performance instead of his image. Rashy has looked sharper and more energetic, but needs to reach higher levels.
Am I right in saying he has the same PR agency as Sancho? We all know how that went.
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Real or not, I believe I see the sentiment that the "confidant" is trying to express when I come across a post like this. Marcus' name is being used for clout to highlight a stat. Heavy is the crown, make sure your neck is strong enough.
This is the problem with media. Make up news not report it. Been like that for years love the Headline.
I'm confidant it's all because he was mates with Lingard
years later Lingard, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Sancho will all be remembered in a collective. they are all talented but half-arsed attacking players who love social media/gaming too much and failed to achieve their own potentials and become passengers in the history of football.
Only way to shut them up is to perform on the pitch. Literally the only way.
The story has been told, he needs to move on. At some point of an exciting and promising career he took a wrong turn. He is still trying to find his way back. It won't happen here.
There is no bullying. People are tired of his dire performances. Trolls online don't count, that's just a social media microcosm.
There is no bullying. People are tired of his dire performances. Trolls online don't count, that's just a social media microcosm.
i dunno, the interview with piano in the background. Maybe i got it wrong about this guy
Really doesn't seem to have the mentality to be a top-level footballer. Mentally he's thrown off course by things you'd expect him to be mature enough to take in his stride. He takes 'confidence player' to a whole new level.
It works both ways, though. People including the media and fans are allowed to have a negative opinion on Marcus for whatever reason provided it`s logical and not just a hatchet job or smear - and Marcus is allowed to clap back at it or say it`s not fair from his perspective or have a friend put that out there if he doesn`t want to personally address it.
I still remember during the World Cup when some of the media including `experts` of all backgrounds and occupations and ages on social media was running the notion that the World Cup was coming home and wasn`t it great that Marcus Rashford was dropped because England would never have had the glory that was coming to it if he`s been in the team.....
I still remember during the World Cup when some of the media including `experts` of all backgrounds and occupations and ages on social media was running the notion that the World Cup was coming home and wasn`t it great that Marcus Rashford was dropped because England would never have had the glory that was coming to it if he`s been in the team.....
He has actually been better this season, one of our better players, but that doesn'y say too much. He has scored a couple of goals too, so credit to him.
He needs to stop worrying about online crap and get on with his game. His game has to improve, that's one of his frustrations becuase people/teams now pay more attention to him and that's to be expected. But he needs to lead. He should tell ETH that he should be Captain, and he should be energising that team, telling players what to do and getting things in order. Marcus Rashford should personify what playing for Man Utd is all about. He has a massive, incredible contract.. go make a name for yourself young man, and turn our season around!
The cross for Garnacho's volley, where he just gained half a yard and crossed with his left foot, was excellent and he should do that far, far more. He should watch Vinicious Jnr.
He needs to stop worrying about online crap and get on with his game. His game has to improve, that's one of his frustrations becuase people/teams now pay more attention to him and that's to be expected. But he needs to lead. He should tell ETH that he should be Captain, and he should be energising that team, telling players what to do and getting things in order. Marcus Rashford should personify what playing for Man Utd is all about. He has a massive, incredible contract.. go make a name for yourself young man, and turn our season around!
The cross for Garnacho's volley, where he just gained half a yard and crossed with his left foot, was excellent and he should do that far, far more. He should watch Vinicious Jnr.
Don't think it is fair to include Martial in that.
I'd rather he concentrates on his own game and trying to build on the improved form he's shown this year. SAF's brief experiment with Scholes as captain showed that a team's most talented and most high profile players don't necessarily make the best captains.
The odd one is Pogba on that list. Despite never reaching his potential, he managed to win 4 Serie As, a World Cup, a EL while being the main focus.
Martial and Rashford stopped showing world class potential by the time they were 20 and Lingard never had such a high ceiling.
Honestly, if Pogba was serving us what Rashford has done the last 3 years (with the exceptions for 4 good months) people would have crucified him. Even the season under RR, Pogba was better and trying harder than Rashford.
Even though he is performing slightly better overall this season, the backlash is him reaping what he sowed last year and before. He had erroded all patience and good will from the fans to the bone. You can hear it and sense it. The crowd get on his case earlier and louder than they do anyone else when they feel he's fallen short.
There's no goodwill there at all, they've turned on him. And it's his fault. They bit their tongue and backed him when he was disrespecting them and his team mates by months and months of aloof, barely half-arsed performances. Now all that credit has run out and fans are sick of it. Now, rightly, the damand is delivery that justifies the emotional and financial investment and the sheer number of minutes he's accumulated in experience of being a Manchester United player. Turning it on against Barnsley isn't cutting the ice this season as it might have before. Some tried. "He's back". But no.
Not looking quite as awful this year, isn't going to be enough to get him out of the woods with the crowd. I fear he may have to even start looking like a player that justifies his salary to win the fans over. I've little doubt Rashford will see that expectation as bullying.
There's no goodwill there at all, they've turned on him. And it's his fault. They bit their tongue and backed him when he was disrespecting them and his team mates by months and months of aloof, barely half-arsed performances. Now all that credit has run out and fans are sick of it. Now, rightly, the damand is delivery that justifies the emotional and financial investment and the sheer number of minutes he's accumulated in experience of being a Manchester United player. Turning it on against Barnsley isn't cutting the ice this season as it might have before. Some tried. "He's back". But no.
Not looking quite as awful this year, isn't going to be enough to get him out of the woods with the crowd. I fear he may have to even start looking like a player that justifies his salary to win the fans over. I've little doubt Rashford will see that expectation as bullying.
Goldbridgesqe....
Some of the scrutiny is over the top a bit at times yes, but no one is immune from getting criticised when playing poorly. And in the last season and a half he's earned a hell of a lot of it. All his own doing.
If you cant stand being rightly criticised, go play for the likes of Everton. You might get away with it there
If you cant stand being rightly criticised, go play for the likes of Everton. You might get away with it there
In my opinion Rashford's woes is down to proper coaching throughout the years.
A- Unless a winger is a Ronaldo or a Messi then he must drop deep and help out. Rashford doesn't do that
B- He can't keep doing this head down, cut inside and try to score charade. He's too predictable. Thus he needs to learn how to switch things around. There are other options like pass the ball early and move forward, cross the ball, create chances for others etc.
Any player being paid so much will fall under severe scrutiny. That's part of the deal, If he can't handle it then maybe he should consider moving out or take a pay cut
A- Unless a winger is a Ronaldo or a Messi then he must drop deep and help out. Rashford doesn't do that
B- He can't keep doing this head down, cut inside and try to score charade. He's too predictable. Thus he needs to learn how to switch things around. There are other options like pass the ball early and move forward, cross the ball, create chances for others etc.
Any player being paid so much will fall under severe scrutiny. That's part of the deal, If he can't handle it then maybe he should consider moving out or take a pay cut
You’re the Number 10, Talisman and highest paid player for Manchester UTD. Please just get on with it.
Strangely enough you don’t hear about his charity work / PR anymore since his form dropped off.
Strangely enough you don’t hear about his charity work / PR anymore since his form dropped off.