Marcus Rashford (out)

Tarrou said:
you used a hypothetical contract length? what for? His contract has 3.5 years left you can use the exact numbers.

I'm sorry but :lol:
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I can’t tell if you’re winding me up. This exact deal could still happen in the summer anyway.

If you disagree that it’s possible for Rashford to sign a longer contract on a lower wage and benefit financially in the long term, then that’s fine. We can agree to disagree. Why can’t you just have an actual conversation?
 
Tarrou said:
you used a hypothetical contract length? what for? His contract has 3.5 years left you can use the exact numbers.

I'm sorry but :lol:
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Also, can you tell me how you calculated that Rashford would need a £250k a week deal for five years to be financially better off?
 
I'm sure there are several interested clubs from leagues like Italy and France but getting decent fee for a player on huge wages like Rashford is won't be easy. Due to player wanting out and club wanting to sell it should go through somehow but will be interesting to see what's the outcome.

Arsenal don't have a great attack other than for Saka but think they'd rather loan Rashford on 6 months to see if he's right player to sign him and not buy atm.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Zlatan has perfectly valid point. After being benched next 3 years (on 350k), his value will drop dramatically. So, with the age of 30, he will be in position to choose between middle table clubs and salary demands around 50k.

But, if he moves now (or summer) he can demand 150k, play regulary and maintain his value.
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He will earn £62m on £300k before his contract expires. Leaving for £150k makes absolutely no sense for him from a financial perspective as he’d then have to play until 34 to earn the same amount - assuming he could get a £150k contract for the next 8 years. Players of Rashford’s style generally don’t play past 31/32.

The only reason for him to move for a lower sum is because he wants to play football and/or he thinks he will be happier generally.
 
spwd said:
I couldn't give 2 shits if Arsenal did get him. I'd prefer them to win the league over the scum every day of the week.
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I don't get the reluctance either. As much as I dislike their fans, I'd be happy to offload him to them. Its not like we're selling them prime Andy Cole or Rooney. Assuming the price is right (£21mil clearly isn't, but not a million miles off), then they'd be doing us a solid tbh.

More gutted we sold them Welbeck tbh.
 
Doracle said:
He will earn £62m on £300k before his contract expires. Leaving for £150k makes absolutely no sense for him from a financial perspective as he’d then have to play until 34 to earn the same amount - assuming he could get a £150k contract for the next 8 years. Players of Rashford’s style generally don’t play past 31/32.

The only reason for him to move for a lower sum is because he wants to play football and/or he thinks he will be happier generally.
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May be wrong but Rashford is someone I see retiring as early as when he is 30 so agree with you. Club gave him a stupid 5 year contract back in 2023 on huge wages after one top season. Shaw was already almost 28 and known to have injury problems and was given a contract until 2027 that same year. Such a poor decisions that most people in here wouldn't make. Mount on huge wages reportedly as well.
 
DJ_21 said:
You’re missing the point mate. How many big transfers get done in January? Next to none. So most likely scenario is Rashford goes on loan with an obligation to buy.
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We signed Bruno in the January window for around the £50million mark. Heck Chelsea broke the British transfer record when they signed Torres during the January window.
 
No Antonio, Bowen out for 6 weeks. Watching the FA Cup game now, Fulkrug pulled his hammy and had to be subbed and just now now Summerville's hamstring might be gone too.
West Ham might up their interest at this rate :lol:
 
Kaos said:
I don't get the reluctance either. As much as I dislike their fans, I'd be happy to offload him to them. Its not like we're selling them prime Andy Cole or Rooney. Assuming the price is right (£21mil clearly isn't, but not a million miles off), then they'd be doing us a solid tbh.

More gutted we sold them Welbeck tbh.
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Van Gaal got rid of some solid squad players from Fergie era. Rafael, Evans, Nani, Welbeck, Chicarito and even Cleverley perhaps were all good enough to contribute. And players he brought in were mostly bad fits as well, except for Romero, Blind and Martial (though he eventually failed).
 
Also those making the case that it makes no financial sense for Rashford to take a pay cut at another club - there's a lot more to it than basic salary number crunching. For starters, if he's rotting away here doing nothing of note then you can expect his sponsorships to dry up, as will any potential silly money move to the Middle East later down the line. He has far more to lose, both financially and reputationally if he takes the easy path and rots away on the sidelines instead of trying to reinvigorate his career and become an England international again like he says he wants to do.
 
VP89 said:
No Antonio, Bowen out for 6 weeks. Watching the FA Cup game now, Fulkrug pulled his hammy and had to be subbed and just now now Summerville's hamstring might be gone too.
West Ham might up their interest at this rate :lol:
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My mate is a hammers fan. Reckons Ings is their best paid player on around £100,000. That seemed kind of low, to me.
 
Kaos said:
Also those making the case that it makes no financial sense for Rashford to take a pay cut at another club - there's a lot more to it than basic salary number crunching. For starters, if he's rotting away here doing nothing of note then you can expect his sponsorships to dry up, as will any potential silly money move to the Middle East later down the line. He has far more to lose, both financially and reputationally if he takes the easy path and rots away on the sidelines instead of trying to reinvigorate his career and become an England international again like he says he wants to do.
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This was my thinking, also. There are a lot of variables.
 
Posh Red said:
My mate is a hammers fan. Reckons Ings is their best paid player on around £100,000. That seemed kind of low, to me.
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Is this site legit? I did a google search:
https://www.capology.com/club/west-ham/salaries/

Has Paqueta and Bowen at £150k. When Kalvin Phillips went on loan he got paid the same I think.
Feasible for them to do this or maybe push to £175k for Rashford, if its a loan.
 
Posh Red said:
Yeah these sound more realistic
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One of my mates is a Season ticket holder and is really against Rashford coming, but says "it's a classic Sullivon move" to bring in a name and not know the next steps. He pointed to the example of Lopategui as a manager or Steiden as DoF as examples. They might be burned from the Kalvin Phillips example, or they'll see Lingard/Wan Bissaka and think theres value in it.
 
We have to look at this through Rashford’s eyes. If we believe he wants to play regular first team football that would give him a chance at playing for England again. He’s not moving to any PL club. So that’s Arsenal dead and buried unless you believe he’ll be a first choice player once Saka returns still.
 
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Doracle said:
He will earn £62m on £300k before his contract expires. Leaving for £150k makes absolutely no sense for him from a financial perspective as he’d then have to play until 34 to earn the same amount - assuming he could get a £150k contract for the next 8 years. Players of Rashford’s style generally don’t play past 31/32.

The only reason for him to move for a lower sum is because he wants to play football and/or he thinks he will be happier generally.
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First of all; money IS important for players (as for anybody else) but your theory is based on the fact that money is ONLY thing which is important. Rashford has Saudi offers which he refused. So, regarding this case, it is not just about money.

Also, basic salary is not only money which players earn. They get big bonuses for many things including trophies and results. Also they get bonus money for appearances. They get money from sponsors, commercials and shit. Playing for a team in CL or sitting on the stands of OT can make a big difference in money.

And THE most important thing; why do you casually forget about the fact that our players are hit with paycut? If that is true then Rashford is closer 200k than 300k. Which is huge difference.
 
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Now consider it through Arsenal’s they took a gamble on Sterling that failed, they then take a more financially impactful gamble on Rashford?

It’s bollocks.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
We have to look at this through Rashford’s eyes. If we believe he wants to play regular first team football that would give him a change at playing for England again. He’s not moving to any PL club. So that’s Arsenal dead and buried unless you believe he’ll be a first choice player once Saka returns still.
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Would like him at West Ham personally. He's obviously looking for a tier 1 club in Europe but I find this farfetched unless we can compromise more than we'd like on wages on his behalf.
 
Kaos said:
We signed Bruno in the January window for around the £50million mark. Heck Chelsea broke the British transfer record when they signed Torres during the January window.
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Was that before FFP by any chance? Teams have to sell more nowadays
 
21 is fine. If we can squeeze 3,4 more then it's perfect. No team is gonna spend a bug amount for a mediocre player on that wages. People expecting 50 or 60 are in denial.
 
spwd said:
I couldn't give 2 shits if Arsenal did get him. I'd prefer them to win the league over the scum every day of the week.
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If anything he'll hurt Arsenal's chances. He's pretty mentally fragile, when things are on the line he's the type to disappear. He hasn't had the week in week out pressure of playing for the Premier League title since he's been with us.
 
VP89 said:
Would like him at West Ham personally. He's obviously looking for a tier 1 club in Europe but I find this farfetched unless we can compromise more than we'd like on wages on his behalf.
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I don’t see how he’d perform at a level better than Bowen for West Ham though.

I don’t see how any PL move reignites his career. Unless it’s a purely counter attack side which I don’t think any PL club is.

He needs space to thrive and he’s not going to get that here.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
We have to look at this through Rashford’s eyes. If we believe he wants to play regular first team football that would give him a change at playing for England again. He’s not moving to any PL club. So that’s Arsenal dead and buried unless you believe he’ll be a first choice player once Saka returns still.
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I would be pretty confident that Rashford doesn’t see Martinelli and Trossard as any sort of threat to him. He must have some level of arrogance to have made it this far and the reality is that his best level is miles above theirs.

If he himself believes that he’s a busted flush and won’t rediscover his prior level at a different club, then he is finished anyway. In that scenario he might as well just sit tight and collect his current contract or take the Saudi dollar. He’s not getting back in the England squad in that scenario.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I don’t see how he’d perform at a level better than Bowen for West Ham though.

I don’t see how any PL move reignites his career. Unless it’s a purely counter attack side which I don’t think any PL club is.

He needs space to thrive and he’s not going to get that here.
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Hed be a bit of an Antonio replacement and certainly a risk in doing so, but Bowen is out for 6 weeks (Fulrug now injured on top) so I can imagine him getting a head start in identifying a position in a Potter system and keeping it.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I don’t see how he’d perform at a level better than Bowen for West Ham though.

I don’t see how any PL move reignites his career. Unless it’s a purely counter attack side which I don’t think any PL club is.

He needs space to thrive and he’s not going to get that here.
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Does Bowen not play primarily on the right wing?
 
DJ_21 said:
Was that before FFP by any chance? Teams have to sell more nowadays
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If you want recent examples, Mudryk and Fernandez were also signed by Chelsea in the January window.

The FFP constraints aren't going to be what determines the likelihood of a January transfer, but rather the clubs willingness to potentially derail their campaign midway through by selling a key player. Rashford is not a key player for us anymore so selling him in January would not hinder us, on the contrary it would be beneficial.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
We have to look at this through Rashford’s eyes. If we believe he wants to play regular first team football that would give him a chance at playing for England again. He’s not moving to any PL club. So that’s Arsenal dead and buried unless you believe he’ll be a first choice player once Saka returns still.
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He'll think the same thing Sterling did - that he's good enough to lock down a spot in Arsenal's attack. Doesn't really matter that all of us are sure he's wrong. If a big club does come in for him he'll have to back himself to take advantage.
 
Doracle said:
I would be pretty confident that Rashford doesn’t see Martinelli and Trossard as any sort of threat to him. He must have some level of arrogance to have made it this far and the reality is that his best level is miles above theirs.

If he himself believes that he’s a busted flush and won’t rediscover his prior level at a different club, then he is finished anyway. In that scenario he might as well just sit tight and collect his current contract or take the Saudi dollar. He’s not getting back in the England squad in that scenario.
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I don’t think so. He isn’t playing at United ahead of less experienced pros.

He will want an absolute guarantee of gametime and remuneration in a competitive side. I see no such guarantee at Arsenal and I cannot see Arteta offering him a clear 1st choice assurance as part of any deal.

I don’t believe it’s as binary a choice as him being arrogant and going to too big a club or him just wanting money and going to Saudi.

There could conceivably be a future where he goes to Dortmund or Milan and does really well and has half a chance at a squad role for England or at least going some way to revitalising his career. But in the PL? I don’t think he’s got the physicality and ability to deal with it anymore. Doesn’t mean he can’t succeed abroad.
VP89 said:
Hed be a bit of an Antonio replacement and certainly a risk in doing so, but Bowen is out for 6 weeks (Fulrug now injured on top) so I can imagine him getting a head start in identifying a position in a Potter system and keeping it.
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Potentially, but Antonio as you well know is/was one of the most physical forwards in the league in terms of powerful running. Rashford’s never been that player.

Maybe Potter can work his magic.

Posh Red said:
Does Bowen not play primarily on the right wing?
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Probably need to explain myself more here. I’m not even considering club level competition here, he should start for West Ham, it’s more that Bowen has performed far better than Rashford at West Ham and even he struggled to get a place.

Competition at LW is pretty stiff too for England and so you’d need a Bowen-esque return to be in with contention.
 
Doracle said:
I would be pretty confident that Rashford doesn’t see Martinelli and Trossard as any sort of threat to him. He must have some level of arrogance to have made it this far and the reality is that his best level is miles above theirs.
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I'd be more confident Arteta will see his off field antics and on field workrate and drop him within a couple months.
 
I think we’re only looking at a
6 month loan which lets him showcase his ability in a league with less intensity.
We’ll need to pay him off once He’s sold, but hopefully that could be done over the course of his exile contract, as if he does well i can see him wanting to return to England and whichever club who bought him will take the money.

Id like to see some bonus payments for goals, as he’ll bag them in FRA/ITA/GER leagues.

The only thing i dont want from this is Utd being the mugs / patsy in the deal.
Rashford - rejuvenates his rep. In a lower league, still gets his united wage.
Signing club - get the goals and sell at minimum at a break even.
United - sell for 30m and pay him off and then watch chelsea sign him on reduced wages. feck that.
 
VP89 said:
I'd be more confident Arteta will see his off field antics and on field workrate and drop him within a couple months.
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Cool - thanks for sharing. Can we agree that’s probably irrelevant to Rashford’s likely mind-set, which was what was being discussed?
 
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