Marcus Rashford (out)

If the PR machine behind Rashford is being honest in saying he doesn’t want to go to Saudi Arabia because he wants to force himself back into the England squad then they also need to be realistic and explain to him he needs to take a pay cut as no one will pay a fee to tempt United into selling AND pay his wages so he can’t have it both ways.

The alternative is keep the big wages and accept he needs to shut the feck up and knuckle down at United then show 100% commitment on the pitch for United to keep him on at the wages he’s on OR move to Saudi Arabia and earn just as much if not more but accept his England career is over, it’s very simple when you break it down and not hard to explain to Rashford but the problem lies in his PR machine telling him what a superstar he is and him buying into it.
 
pascell said:
That's the fee I can see it landing on too, unless he has a Lingard/West Ham type loan.


Think I'd rather take a lower fee and not pay any wages for him to play for another club.
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I’m just guessing here, but receiving a higher selling fee (then “paying Rashford off to leave”) is probably better for PSR then just bagging the net amount?
 
Ish said:
I’m just guessing here, but receiving a higher selling fee (then “paying Rashford off to leave”) is probably better for PSR then just bagging the net amount?
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Depends on the overall value of the deal in either scenario but it wouldn't look good PSR if we're paying a portion of Rashfords wages for the foreseeable.
 
pascell said:
Depends on the overall value of the deal in either scenario but it wouldn't look good PSR if we're paying a portion of Rashfords wages for the foreseeable.
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Yeah I’m not expert on PSR but £60m for a homegrown talent, from my little understanding, would give us a good bump to spend - even if we were to pay Rashford £20m or so - once off (as I doubt either party would want to structure it into a weekly wage). Alas, I’ll leave it to those better informed wrt PSR to add in.
 
EnviedRed said:
It makes you look infantile to say I'm wrong just because you say so..when in fact I have given you an example of Arsenal paying £65 Million for a player who is on a similar wage to Rashford..but according to you we should give them a £45 Million discount because you say so..NOPE, that's not how business works. And Rashford will be aware that he will have to take a hit on his salary if he wants a move to his dream club if his form doesn't improve. If he wants his salary then he will have to make it up in bonuses.

Send him on loan and let him get his form..and then sell him. We all know that Rashford is capable of scoring 10-15 goals in a few months in the right conditions.

Arsenal set the market when they paid £65 Million for Havertz..they don't get to offer us £20 Million..prices go up over time not down..Stop letting your personal hatred cloud your judgment.
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Nope. We set the market when we sent Sancho on loan to Chelsea with an obligation to buy @ £24m. Same dead career and same wages as Rashford but 3 years younger.

Comparing this with Mount and Havertz is as stupid as comparing with Balogun. Their careers had not tanked at Chelsea. Both are younger, both were earning a fraction of what Rashford is currently on. Both deals were also decried as idiotic by United and Arsenal fanbases. Mount is in our top 2 or 3 worst ever signings for ROI.

You can keep crying about it as much as you like, but Rashford will be sold for feck all, or sent off on a season loan and sold for a pittance in 2026, and you're going to have to figure out a way to cope with that.
 
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hobbers said:
Nope. We set the market when we sent Sancho on loan to Chelsea with an obligation to buy @ £24m. Same dead career and same wages as Rashford but 3 years younger.

Comparing this with Mount and Havertz is as stupid as comparing with Balogun. Their careers had not tanked at Chelsea. Both are younger, both were earning a fraction of what Rashford is currently on. Both deals were also decried as idiotic by United and Arsenal fanbases. Mount is in our top 2 or 3 worst ever signings for ROI.

You can keep crying about it as much as you like, but Rashford will be sold for feck all, or sent off on a season loan and sold for a pittance in 2026, and you're going to have to figure out a way to cope with that.
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Brutal summary, but I don't doubt this is the most likely result.

We clearly have to stop giving out these insane contracts to players who aren't worth or don't appreciate it.
 
Rashford to Barcelona on loan with all his wages covered sounds like a pipe dream. Milan on half his wages sound much more realistic. Hopefully a loan this winter is the first step towards a permanent sale in the summer, can just see a bit of a meltdown when he is loaned out and no replacement comes in.
 
davidmichael said:
If the PR machine behind Rashford is being honest in saying he doesn’t want to go to Saudi Arabia because he wants to force himself back into the England squad then they also need to be realistic and explain to him he needs to take a pay cut as no one will pay a fee to tempt United into selling AND pay his wages so he can’t have it both ways.

The alternative is keep the big wages and accept he needs to shut the feck up and knuckle down at United then show 100% commitment on the pitch for United to keep him on at the wages he’s on OR move to Saudi Arabia and earn just as much if not more but accept his England career is over, it’s very simple when you break it down and not hard to explain to Rashford but the problem lies in his PR machine telling him what a superstar he is and him buying into it.
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I don't believe this, one bit. His PR has been saying that he is United born and bread, yet, he has shown some unfathomable low level of performances for us for 2 years now. I mean, it took Amorim 2 sessions to see that he has checked out.

What that PR line serves for is to show to potential buyers that Rashford really plans to put a shift in once he signs for a respectable club in Europe. In reality, he will get his move to a good club, his marketing appeal won't take a hit with him staying in Europe, and he will continue to be a shadow of himself. I wish him nothing but the best if he moves on, however sincerely doubt that we will ever see him in a England shirt.
 
Vidooq said:
... we will ever see him in a England shirt.
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only if he sacks his PR team and buckles down.

I don't actually believe he wants to be back in the England team. I believe he's saying that because that's what someone says to try and convince people he is still motivated.

Maybe he is training better and he's not being player to avoid injury risk during the window. Do get the feeling it's all noise and we'll be offered terrible loan terms and turn them down.
 
Plant0x84 said:
This should tell us everything about Marcus and his ability. Also, swap for Frenkie?!!
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2 man midfield said:
Barcelona would unironically do that deal. He’s free in the summer and they’ve wanted his wages off the books since forever.
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That would actually be quite hilarious if we finally got Ten Hag’s dream player months after Ten Hag departed.

Anyway, where did it all go wrong for Rashford? I think he tailed off when he kept playing with that back injury and delayed surgery to be able to be picked for England. He hasn’t looked threatening since then. I still think he’s got a lot to offer but maybe in this new Amorim job system there’s no place for him? He’s not a real winger and we don’t play balls in behind, so he’s off man out. Maybe this is just the right time to part ways.
 
Hammondo said:
Just because arsenal made a mistake previously doesn't mean they want to do it again.

Demand is what determines his price, not us.

He did his purple patch playing counter attacking football, which no good team plays, and when the team was built around him being out focal point. He won't get that at a top club.
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So since demand is what determines price then we shouldn't be selling him when demand is at the absolute lowest. The only people that do that are panic sellers.

1. Clubs spend less in the winter
2. Rashford isn't playing and when he has been playing he has been out of form.

Therefore if you use logic then we should send him on loan, let him find some form and sell him in the summer when clubs have bigger budgets for transfers. It's just common sense.

From the reports it seems that Juventus, Milan, Monaco, Barca and Dortmund are interested in loans. So there is demand but clubs are hesitant to buy right now. If he plays well then we can sell him in the summer.

Some of you seem to be Arsenal fans and not United supporters. It only helps Arsenal to sell him for £20 Million. And yes, if Arsenal want to buy him then they need to explain why they had £65M for Havertz. Hopefully, INEOS are better at business than some of you commenting. We are laughably bad at selling players. We basically give players away. We have been buying high and selling low for years. That has to change.

And yes, Rashford is capable of playing well in a top club in an easier league.
 
EnviedRed said:
So since demand is what determines price then we shouldn't be selling him when demand is at the absolute lowest. The only people that do that are panic sellers.

1. Clubs spend less in the winter
2. Rashford isn't playing and when he has been playing he has been out of form.

Therefore if you use logic then we should send him on loan, let him find some form and sell him in the summer when clubs have bigger budgets for transfers. It's just common sense.

From the reports it seems that Juventus, Milan, Monaco, Barca and Dortmund are interested in loans. So there is demand but clubs are hesitant to buy right now. If he plays well then we can sell him in the summer.

Some of you seem to be Arsenal fans and not United supporters. It only helps Arsenal to sell him for £20 Million. And yes, if Arsenal want to buy him then they need to explain why they had £65M for Havertz. Hopefully, INEOS are better at business than some of you commenting. We are laughably bad at selling players. We basically give players away. We have been buying high and selling low for years. That has to change.

And yes, Rashford is capable of playing well in a top club in an easier league.
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Because hes costing us money and we have no intention of playing him. We want to buy, we need to sell to help that.

We have no idea which reports have anything in reality though.
 
Milan are going to step it up. Another game of creating 50 sitters and barely scoring a goal? Yeah, they're gonna try and get this done
 
Ish said:
I’m just guessing here, but receiving a higher selling fee (then “paying Rashford off to leave”) is probably better for PSR then just bagging the net amount?
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Nope. Makes no difference whatsoever. Both would hit the income statement right away. It's solely so Rashford and the club can look better for PR purposes.

We did the same with AWB this summer. A substantial part of his transfer fee was funneled back to him to get him to forego free agency in 2025. But it looks better for him and the he club if he's isn't sold for peanuts, so the transfer fee got the headlines.

I don't think there's any way we're getting all Rashford's wages off the books AND some big transfer fee. IMO we'd be fortunate just to be rid of the wages.
 
bb8 said:
Nope. Makes no difference whatsoever. Both would hit the income statement right away. It's solely so Rashford and the club can look better for PR purposes.

We did the same with AWB this summer. A substantial part of his transfer fee was funneled back to him to get him to forego free agency in 2025. But it looks better for him and the he club if he's isn't sold for peanuts, so the transfer fee got the headlines.

I don't think there's any way we're getting all Rashford's wages off the books AND some big transfer fee. IMO we'd be fortunate just to be rid of the wages.
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Thanks bud, makes sense. Yeah it definitely won’t be a big transfer fee plus getting rid of the wages.
 
I’d take the gamble on a loan with no obligation to buy. Never been his biggest fan but do think if he goes elsewhere he’ll probably be reinvigorated and find enough form and score enough goals to convince someone he is at least worth a 60 mil punt.

If not then you sell him in the summer for this 20 mil that everyone seems to think he is worth.
 
croadyman said:
Haha yeah good luck finding someone daft enough to pay that when he's on £300k plus a week
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Again we are haunted by our daft wage/contract decisions. Despite his atrocious form, £60m for Rashford is a very fair price (we’re talking Brennan Johnson money).
 
The only club that actually seem to genuinely want him is West Ham. Too old for Chelsea, too expensive for Barca, Milan, Juventus, too egotistical for Saudi. Not good enough for Arsenal.

I genuinely hope we sell him, there will be uproar here because he’ll play great for someone else and our coaches will get the blame but he checked out a long while back and although he’ll play better elsewhere he’ll eventually check out again.
 
Tarrou said:
anyone else suspicious about all this reported interest?

I mean, he's fecking shit
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Absolutely. No one is going to touch him unless it’s a loan and us paying most of his wages. Otherwise he’d be gone because he does have a good reputation outside of United. His wages are just ridiculous for a player of his talent though.

Like Casemiro, both will be here next month and not even playing. I feel for Amorin having to sort this out.
 
soapythecat said:
Absolutely. No one is going to touch him unless it’s a loan and us paying most of his wages. Otherwise he’d be gone because he does have a good reputation outside of United. His wages are just ridiculous for a player of his talent though.

Like Casemiro, both will be here next month and not even playing. I feel for Amorin having to sort this out.
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They’ll both be gone but we’ll be two players down and still have them on the wage bill.
 
It’s really frustrating, if he was on a ‘normal’ contract of £150-200k, from a PSR perspective he’d be a big asset to be cashed in
 
Y'all are somehow ignoring the elephant in the room: Rashford's not playing. Not even getting called up for games anymore

Teams understand that taking Rashford off your hands right now would be doing you a favour - he's effectively a sunk cost to United. Why should they pay serious money to help United out, for a player whose level is currently an unknown?
 
Vidooq said:
I don't believe this, one bit. His PR has been saying that he is United born and bread, yet, he has shown some unfathomable low level of performances for us for 2 years now. I mean, it took Amorim 2 sessions to see that he has checked out.

What that PR line serves for is to show to potential buyers that Rashford really plans to put a shift in once he signs for a respectable club in Europe. In reality, he will get his move to a good club, his marketing appeal won't take a hit with him staying in Europe, and he will continue to be a shadow of himself. I wish him nothing but the best if he moves on, however sincerely doubt that we will ever see him in a England shirt.
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His PR team are always trying to butter the fans up. He's toast now though, he's gone stale and has been putting in half baked performances for the last two years, he is well past his sell by date.
 
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