Marcus Rashford | to redeem or not?

1. First option, sell if possible
2. Second option, come back as squad player. We need direct pace and natural wide player. He provides different dimension in our attack. Carrick can get the best out of him.
3. Final option, loan but not to Barca.
 
1. First option, sell if possible
2. Second option, come back as squad player. We need direct pace and natural wide player. He provides different dimension in our attack. Carrick can get the best out of him.
3. Final option, loan but not to Barca.

4th option. Call him and tell him to find a new club. He's not getting back. Reserve or out. No more trotting around and another loan while waiting his contract out.

Not fair on Carrick having to deal with his Circus. Before long if he plays one game well we'll never hear the end of it and how he should be first teamer yadda yadda
 
This for me is the most depressing saga of our summer. I used to stick up for Rashford so much but I honestly am so sick of him now and don't want him anywhere near the squad. It's obvious that the reason that this still remains in limbo is that both him & the club want him to leave the club.
 
Rashford on his day is a baller.
He is a red born and bread.
Deadline day isn’t until end of aug, if he doesn’t perform or show change of attitude hook him or let him rot. If he performs well in the games before the deadline could be like a new signing
Don’t see it. Technically he’s quite a basic player. Head down, run at a defender, hit ball hard. There’s nothing particularly finessed about any of that. It’s what you expect a relatively raw, youngster to have in his locker with expectations that exposure and experience will add more strings to his bow.

When he’s dispossessed it’s often quite comical, as he won’t have been bested by a top class defender using all of his wily tricks and know how. Instead he’d have just run the ball into him like a shortsighted dog in the park going head first a tree whilst running with a stick.

On his day, with a tailwind, the right combination of in-match circumstances, and if he woke up that morning thinking maybe he might try for a bit - he can be a useful player. Still a disgrace someone like that is at the club, but nobody is surprised there’s no buyers
 
I just don't get how you can be a dyed-in-the-wool United, local lad living our dream and give so little of shit. Wondered it for years. He'll never change. We'd all run until we puke but this guy aacts like tracking back will literally kill him.

Mbappe is like it too, but at least he's box office on attack.
 
There may be a chance DeZerbi at Spurs thinks he could find a place for Marcus - he’s in Australia on preseason talking big - 60% done - more big signings to come etc - maybe Spurs would appeal to him
 

Fake quote. Keano never said that.
Roy Keane will probably get quite a few, ‘yeah, bang on!’ for this one, but he really is only showing himself for the terribly outdated machismo thats seem to have been beaten into him as a kid. If someone deems they shall not spend £60m on you, you must hate them with a passion for ever, and never show gratitude or any other ‘weak’ human emotion for even the ten seconds it takes to write a message, because you constantly must keep up appearances of ‘dignity’ = I must hate Haalands dad forever because I injured myself trying to molest him and Ferguson for treating me just how I treated everyone I ever met, disregarding for eternity how he chose me, trusted me as a captain, said to the world I was the worlds best midfielder and gave me the shot to win multiple CL and PL and whatnot trofies.

He speaks as if he knows that you have to be like that to reach ‘his level’ as a professional footballer’, but he’s just way to stupid to realize that many footballers have reached that level without being a constipated aggro twat like him at all.

Still, as a player, I love him.
Now, apologise to Roy. :p
Stop believing everything on X that has pictures of people involved.
 
There may be a chance DeZerbi at Spurs thinks he could find a place for Marcus - he’s in Australia on preseason talking big - 60% done - more big signings to come etc - maybe Spurs would appeal to him
The fact he has a track record and reputation of not only fluctuating form, but large spans of time where he thinks giving shit is beneath him, will be such red flags for anyone.

His Belfast trip. He wasn’t a young player who erred due to inexperience and lack of judgement. He was one of the more senior players in the team, likely the highest paid. He wasn’t playing well and looked like he couldn’t care less on the field. Yet his reaction was do go out on the piss and phone in a sickie.

For that stuff to be overlooked you need to be a much better player.
 
Fake quote. Keano never said that.

Now, apologise to Roy. :p
Stop believing everything on X that has pictures of people involved.
Aaargh! Why the feck do people do this shit!

I’m sorry, Roy, if you ever read this, I wan’t you to know I apologize to you for slurring your reputation on the basis of lies. I should have checked the sources better.

I would also like to express my gratitude to @No Idea For Nickname for how he supported me through the hard times by giving me constructive criticism and helping me to grow as a human being and faux-Macunian. It is a pure coincidence that @Hoof the ball is not mentioned in this thanking list.
 
Why can't we tell him he has no future at Utd and get him to go anywhere else?

 
I guess there's a chance that his ego is by now so bruised that he'd fight for his legacy at United, track back more and redeem himself

The same way there is a chance that this season we go on an undefeated run and win our first PL since Fergie. But both are fairy tales.
 
I guess there's a chance that his ego is by now so bruised that he'd fight for his legacy at United, track back more and redeem himself
The issue is that the club are trying to move on and he can't read the room. Get him out and use the money from transfer fee plus wages saved, to buy Lewis Hall.

You'd have thought the fact that Barcelona chose not to sign him permanently might, give him pause and reflect on where he is in his career and his shortcomings.

A leopard doesn't change its spots at his age. If he wouldn't do the required tracking back and off the ball work at Barcelona he certainly won't at Utd.

Needs to be shipped out asap, however we can. Take a lower transfer fee, just get him and his wages out, permanently so we can move on
 
I guess there's a chance that his ego is by now so bruised that he'd fight for his legacy at United, track back more and redeem himself

Is there a chance of that? Would say everything points to the same old.
 
I guess there's a chance that his ego is by now so bruised that he'd fight for his legacy at United, track back more and redeem himself
Sometimes you have to accept what a player is and isn't. And then get rid of them.
 
Sometimes you have to accept what a player is and isn't. And then get rid of them.
The club should do that but since they don't seem to be doing I think it's entirely reasonable of us to try and delude ourselves the way our pal Shakesy is here.
 
How come nobody posted the ‘I appreciate working with him [Rashford]. He is a fantastic player and a fantastic person. The team miss him, I will miss him, but it is life’ quotes from Hansi Flick? I’m so useless with this linking stuff.

From what I can summarize from my debile memory, Mourinho, Solskjær, Rangnick, Emery, Tuchel and Flick have all been positive about Rashford as a person. They all talked about him as a very good trainer as well.

Mourinho thought him talented, but lacking qualities needed to play as no 9. These eounded like mental qualities. Rangnick thought he could be a world class striker, and alluded to limitations within himself the only thing holding him back. But not for lack of trying. Tuchel praised his talent, and application, but alsoalluded to something holding him back in terms of becoming absolute world class. Yet they all played him, and played him alot - ie Rashford with these limitations, were to all of them not viewed as detrimental to the team, the teams spirit or a bad example. He was at around the level of other good professional footballers he competed favourably with for playing time.

There is really just Erik ten Hag and Amorim who has had trouble with Rashford, among a host of top class managers and coaches. I think it’s clear Rashford was struggling as an individual and as a person during the latter part of Ten Hag era and the few months of Amorim era before he was identified as a problem and cast out. That made a lot of us react negatively against him, and even if Ten Hag and Amorim may be partly to blame, Rashford is surely to blame for that as well.

That doesn’t mean, though, that it’s typical for his personality, or that that’s the kind of man he is. A lot of evidence suggest it isn’t.

I think some people take some of his limitations: Lack of proactive game intelligence, he lacks a bit of natural fighter aggression, and his physical skills has made several managers instruct him to save some sprinting for attacking purposes, or shirk tracking back at times for tactical purposes (they have explicitly said so), and identified it as evidence of chronic ‘bad-appleness’, when the evidence actually clearly undermines that take.

I think the people continuing to regurgitate lazy ‘personality judgements’ of Rashford should get a grip of themselves and open up to that reality sometimes is more complex than is allowed for in a one-liner.

Those who just want to express that his output doesn’t match his salary, or that his play doesn’t match others’ hype of him, or that he has linitations as a player, do so, even if it’s probably said a thousand times (a month) for each point - but I agree.

Though I hope if he comes back to play for Carrick, that he will be treated with the same expectancy that we can have for our players - that they do their best, the gaffer choses who should play, and we assume we are all on the same side unless all evidence (and not just some evidence) points against it.
 
What's he got, 2 years left on his deal? So another 2 years of this shit.
 
How come nobody posted the ‘I appreciate working with him [Rashford]. He is a fantastic player and a fantastic person. The team miss him, I will miss him, but it is life’ quotes from Hansi Flick? I’m so useless with this linking stuff.

From what I can summarize from my debile memory, Mourinho, Solskjær, Rangnick, Emery, Tuchel and Flick have all been positive about Rashford as a person. They all talked about him as a very good trainer as well.
They spent 80m on Gordon instead of him keep for less than half that. Rangnick did have issues with him and dropped him
 
Also Tuchel gave him a chance and then immediately dropped him again for the bigger important matches. It doesnt really matter what theyve said about him publicly whilst actively managing him. Neither Barca, or England (or Villa) ultimately thought he was worth it.

Another problem is that he was massively overplayed as a kid, and is predominantly an explosive pace and power player. He was never a Giggs or Rooney or Scholes with the innate football intelligence to offset a less than peak physique. I think for once we actually did well to get rid of a player who couldve hung around expecting to play at the point he wasnt going to get any better. Something the likes of Madrid or Chelsea have been a lot better at than us....and yet here he is again. And its going to be a big deal whenever he doesnt play, whether he makes a fuss or not. Oh well

Id love a redemption arc personally, but I fear than even if he applies himself fully, he just doesnt have it in him to be more than a very high profile moments player
 
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Offer him and some money to Milan for Leao

Everyone is happy! United get a younger, worse version of rashford but on more manageable wages and no extra baggage, Milan get a better player and solve their Leao problem and Amorim gets to hear himself talk about Rashford a lot
 
They spent 80m on Gordon instead of him keep for less than half that. Rangnick did have issues with him and dropped him
I’m not sure why you are answering my post with those two bits of information? They are both pretty well accounted for in the post you answered I would think, at least if you recognize what kind of issues Rangnick had with Rashford (not attitude, seemingly) and what else he said about him, and that he put him back in the team again.

The cost of the Gordon deal (fee+wages-resaleability) versus the Rashford deal speaks to the point I was making on that note: Barca directors find Gordon a better deal. Given that the economic cost is not really that different, it points toward them thinking Gordon is a somewhat better punt than Rashford. Which is all fair. That is the level they think Rashford is as a player. As with Tuchel, who traded between them, and seemingly found slightly more value in Gordon IMO, but not so much that he didn’t constantly swap them. Let’s just take their word for it: They think Gordon in actual output is 8,5 and Rashford is 8. Or similar. They probably are in a lot better position to judge than I am.

And still Flick says Rashford is a fantastic person and a fantastic player. So their collective team judges Rashford to be a good player, Gordon to be a better prospect, Rashford to be a good person. I can’t read it differently.

For us, that is an indication that we have an alternative to Dorgu as a back up to Cunha who is close to the level of Anthony Gordon, and most coaches who has worked with him says he is generally a good guy. Excepting Ten Hag and Amorim.

Start from there, and then see if he can defend that spot.
 
I just don't get how you can be a dyed-in-the-wool United, local lad living our dream and give so little of shit. Wondered it for years. He'll never change. We'd all run until we puke but this guy aacts like tracking back will literally kill him.

Mbappe is like it too, but at least he's box office on attack.
Its hard to do the hard stuff when you're guaranteed £300k a week for years and there's plenty of other stuff to blame.
 
I guess there's a chance that his ego is by now so bruised that he'd fight for his legacy at United, track back more and redeem himself
Either way, he'll be collecting his wage.

He's already shown he's not arsed about his Utd legacy.

I wonder how it will go.
 
For a lot of the time, I think after the EL match that he was sent off in, unless he had the ball, he just seemed to be watching the match while the rest of the team were pressing or tracking back. I thought that he looked kind of confused and not really there. I thought to myself "He's a passenger".
 
Why can't we tell him he has no future at Utd and get him to go anywhere else?


Time to tell him its either Turkey or reserves. If he thinks its beyond him than take the pay cut and leave to the desired destination.
 
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I hope he leaves for the sake of all parties. He'd be a decent backup if not for his wages and I'd much rather develop our younger talent instead.
 
Could easily bag 10+ goals in this side but his lack of effort and the noise that comes with trying to re-integrate him makes that a pipe dream.

Dropping Rashfords UCL enhanced wages into our current team dynamics feels unnecessarily disruptive to a team that locked in effort wise.
 
If Rashford was on lower wages, I'd be for keeping him as a squad player because he has qualities that can change a game or at least contribute to a momentum shift from the bench.

Unfortunately for us, he is on first team player wages and that comes with an expectation for consistency and tracking back for the team, qualities which he doesn't necessarily show routinely. At his lowest point, I remember his half-hearted attempts to counter press and often it felt like he was playing whilst carrying huge mental load - his body and mind were at different wavelengths.
 
Time to tell him its either Turkey or reserves. If he thinks its beyond him than take the pay cut and leave to the desired destination.
"Okie dokie, I'll go and have fun in the reserves."

We are then left paying his wages and with very little backup in attack. Press stories every week about him also.
 
We should definitely give him a chance if he applies himself well during games. No need to tank his value unnecessarily. Now that Barca is out of his system and Sancho is unwanted and training in a non-league club, he can see what his future holds if he doesn't wake up. No advertising endorsements after his United career is over etc.