Marko Arnautović | United have pulled out

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Suarez was a racist bastard. But people (even in here) still supporting Barca (to win games) when he was there. There were also lots of admirer here when he was at his peak.
Are you saying that no one should have been fans of Barcelona when he was playing there? Thats a pretty massive blanket statement.

Is this about the Liverpool incident?

Ive been a Messi fan and watched Barcelona games for 20 years, I dont feel especially racist just because I watch Barcelona play football.
 

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I was so dissapointed this didn't go through. We seriously need a traditional no.9.
 

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I think the timing was all wrong with this. If he was a deadline day afterthought the response would probably have been more favourable.

But this leaked hours after we’d lost our opening two games and hadn’t yet signed a midfielder. If he’d come in after Casemiro, after Antony and after we’d seen Ronaldo playing like Gary Birtles, maybe we’d be more open to the idea.
 

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Are you saying that no one should have been fans of Barcelona when he was playing there? Thats a pretty massive blanket statement.

Is this about the Liverpool incident?

Ive been a Messi fan and watched Barcelona games for 20 years, I dont feel especially racist just because I watch Barcelona play football.
See. So why people are against United signing Arntvc then? When you still didn't have problem liking Barcelona, and some didn't have problem admiring Suarez as footballer (which is what Arnautovic would be here).

It's just food for thought.
 
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We now have 3 months to scout for a striker better than Arnautovic. I'm sure it's possible.
 

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Looks like Ten Hag was right on this really doesn't it...

Would have added plenty to our team for a season.
 

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Looks like Ten Hag was right on this really doesn't it...

Would have added plenty to our team for a season.
I think it was clear to see when we were linked that he was hitting some late consistency.
Last seasons numbers and the goals he scored showed that. Add to the fact he was always talented and strong…
 

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I think the timing was all wrong with this. If he was a deadline day afterthought the response would probably have been more favourable.

But this leaked hours after we’d lost our opening two games and hadn’t yet signed a midfielder. If he’d come in after Casemiro, after Antony and after we’d seen Ronaldo playing like Gary Birtles, maybe we’d be more open to the idea.
Yeah and hadn't put his foot in it at last years euros,maybe then our board would have been much more open to signing him.
 
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Looks like Ten Hag was right on this really doesn't it...

Would have added plenty to our team for a season.
Yes he would have given us someone who could hold up the ball but as I just said he blew it for himself by his recent misdemeanours
 

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Looks like Ten Hag was right on this really doesn't it...

Would have added plenty to our team for a season.
Yes. This fan base needs to adjust to the idea that EtH knows what he is doing. And by extension Manchester United now have a clue on personnel.
 

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Some quality racism and misogyny, yeah
I think that was the issue and why people didn’t want him. If it was purely based on football though he would have been a good option for us and it’s obvious why the manager and coaches fancied him. I think he’d have been far better in that 9 role than Ronaldo.
 

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Oh God, so we're in the stage, United became so desperate, even Arnautović would suffice... standards still hitting the floor, I see.
 

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I think that was the issue and why people didn’t want him. If it was purely based on football though he would have been a good option for us and it’s obvious why the manager and coaches fancied him. I think he’d have been far better in that 9 role than Ronaldo.
Exactly. We could argue all day wether it makes sense to sign an old and average Arnautovic, but his behaviour made this a nonstarter
 

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Oh God, so we're in the stage, United became so desperate, even Arnautović would suffice... standards still hitting the floor, I see.
Top scorer in Serie A this season, scored at a similar rate to the likes of Osimhen and Abraham last season.

For his footballing ability, he would've been a good option this season.
 

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Exactly. We could argue all day wether it makes sense to sign an old and average Arnautovic, but his behaviour made this a nonstarter
Yeah. We have hamstrung ourselves a bit by not getting another 9 option in and it’s making our forward play look a bit clunky. Somethings are bigger than that though. Surprised there was no one else we could get in of that profile.
 

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He's alway been a lose cannon throughout his career so we were right not to sign him, he is however the right profile of striker for a ten Haag side in that he is a tall, skillful target man who can bring others in to play and specialises in link up play more than goals (normally).

So the profile is right in terms of player but personality wise he is completely wrong for united, Isak would have been perfect but we don't seem to have gone for him, we'll have to find a similar profile player in the next window.
 

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He's alway been a lose cannon throughout his career so we were right not to sign him, he is however the right profile of striker for a ten Haag side in that he is a tall, skillful target man who can bring others in to play and specialises in link up play more than goals (normally).

So the profile is right in terms of player but personality wise he is completely wrong for united, Isak would have been perfect but we don't seem to have gone for him, we'll have to find a similar profile player in the next window.
I think we were looking at a cut price option as Ronaldo was staying hence not going for Isak or another.
 

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Top scorer in Serie A this season, scored at a similar rate to the likes of Osimhen and Abraham last season.

For his footballing ability, he would've been a good option this season.
For a short loan period, perhaps. This is exactly what Solskjaer would do - sign him and pretend there's no younger strikers on the market.

Yeah I think you’re wide of the mark here.
Yeah let's bring another striker we'll be looking to shift in few months. So much for pro active football.

It isn't enough we'll have to deal with Ronaldo for full year ?
 

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For a short loan period, perhaps. This is exactly what Solskjaer would do - sign him and pretend there's no younger strikers on the market.


Yeah let's bring another striker we'll be looking to shift in few months. So much for pro active football.

It isn't enough we'll have to deal with Ronaldo for full year ?
I’m more taking issue with your slight on his quality. He would have been good enough to play the role Ten Hag wanted and offered more than Ronaldo currently is.
 

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I’m more taking issue with your slight on his quality. He would have been good enough to play the role Ten Hag wanted and offered more than Ronaldo currently is.
Could be, could be not... Without both Ronaldo & Arnautović we were able to shock Liverpool and Arsenal.

For the sake of compromise, perhaps loan deal could be worthy experiment, when in case of any stir in the dressing room we could send him away immediately.
 

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Could be, could be not... Without both Ronaldo & Arnautović we were able to shock Liverpool and Arsenal.

For the sake of compromise, perhaps loan deal could be worthy experiment, when in case of any stir in the dressing room we could send him away immediately.
Yes he’d of been brought in as an option. Martial and Rashford for games like you mentioned but having someone like him gives you a different way of playing in different kinds of games. Or even off the bench in moments.

Shame Ronaldo can’t seem to do it.
 

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Yes he’d of been brought in as an option. Martial and Rashford for games like you mentioned but having someone like him gives you a different way of playing in different kinds of games. Or even off the bench in moments.

Shame Ronaldo can’t seem to do it.
I just can't wait when we'll reach point past Ronaldo or any other fading star and discover totally new landscapes and dimensions for attacking formation.
 

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I just can't wait when we'll reach point past Ronaldo or any other fading star and discover totally new landscapes and dimensions for attacking formation.
Well we’ve reached that point now? Ten Hag has got to manage this season with Ronaldo. He also needs January and the summer windows to really stamp his hallmark on this squad.
 

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Well we’ve reached that point now? Ten Hag has got to manage this season with Ronaldo. He also needs January and the summer windows to really stamp his hallmark on this squad.
Probability of finding high end striking force in January is difficult, though happened in the past to some clubs.

Ten Hag while being great football scientist will be forced to electrocute the corpse in order for zombie to run whole year like a proper footballer. Think we didn't reached that point just yet, but I'm sure Ronaldo will score about 15 goals this season.

We're almost there.
 

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Probability of finding high end striking force in January is difficult, though happened in the past to some clubs.

Ten Hag while being great football scientist will be forced to electrocute the corpse in order for zombie to run whole year like a proper footballer. Think we didn't reached that point just yet, but I'm sure Ronaldo will score about 15 goals this season.

We're almost there.
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Oh God, so we're in the stage, United became so desperate, even Arnautović would suffice... standards still hitting the floor, I see.
How are standards hitting the floor if he's one of the best or at least most in form strikers in Italy? If the standards being on the floor are that then I'm willing to sign up to more players of such low standards.

He'd have done great here for a year then we get someone longer term. I get the griping about his personality and behaviour and understand the eventual reasons it didn't happen but in footballing terms it was a no brainer and ETH knew it despite what some on here say.
 

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How are standards hitting the floor if he's one of the best or at least most in form strikers in Italy? If the standards being on the floor are that then I'm willing to sign up to more players of such low standards.

He'd have done great here for a year then we get someone longer term. I get the griping about his personality and behaviour and understand the eventual reasons it didn't happen but in footballing terms it was a no brainer and ETH knew it despite what some on here say.
So you see the issue with Arnautović and you probably see the issue with Ronaldo. Now let's do the math and add them both to the dressing room and see if the team would do so great, because from experience chances are Martial and Rashford would detach themselves from the team once again.

Quality wise, not a bad experiment, but there's so much more to this than just following Ole's happy way of dealing with glaring problem for years.
 

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So you see the issue with Arnautović and you probably see the issue with Ronaldo. Now let's do the math and add them both to the dressing room and see if the team would do so great, because from experience chances are Martial and Rashford would detach themselves from the team once again.

Quality wise, not a bad experiment, but there's so much more to this than just following Ole's happy way of dealing with glaring problem for years.
Even if we characterise whatever has gone on with Rashford and Martial over the years as a "detachment" which I'm convinced by, who is responsible for that and do we know the full reasons why their form and effort dropped? I think it's bit simplistic to say that throwing in Arnautovic is going to be a problem.

Also, is our major concern building a functional team for the manager or pandering to individuals players? Is it the managers job to create cohesive teams and create the right dressing room dynamics? I'd say it is and he fancied that it would be okay.

Obviously it would have made way more sense to clear out Ronaldo first. If we had done so and got Arnautovic it would have been a huge net positive, at least with hindsight.
 

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Even if we characterise whatever has gone on with Rashford and Martial over the years as a "detachment" which I'm convinced by, who is responsible for that and do we know the full reasons why their form and effort dropped? I think it's bit simplistic to say that throwing in Arnautovic is going to be a problem.

Also, is our major concern building a functional team for the manager or pandering to individuals players? Is it the managers job to create cohesive teams and create the right dressing room dynamics? I'd say it is and he fancied that it would be okay.

Obviously it would have made way more sense to clear out Ronaldo first. If we had done so and got Arnautovic it would have been a huge net positive, at least with hindsight.
I admit, making these type of signings is healthy from time to time. Fergie's idea of getting Larsson and Blanc did paid off in some parts of the season. Jose's love for Ibrahimović made us actually win some trophies, but this time it's got to stop. We're getting cluttered when on top of clutter, we'll have to clear out more clutter.

If it's not Benzema type of quality then just don't bother. Suddenly making of Arnautović a savior type player is ridiculous.