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This would happen if Phil Jones left I expect, this place loves a whinge.Despite all this having been obvious for years, can’t wait for the thread about how people want him back every time he scores a goal.
This would happen if Phil Jones left I expect, this place loves a whinge.Despite all this having been obvious for years, can’t wait for the thread about how people want him back every time he scores a goal.
From the past 6 years, it is obvious that there is nothing to "unlock". Martial may start playing well for a while, but eventually he will return to his usual self.If Sancho helps unlock Martial I'll be over the moon, I'd LOVE to see him be a huge success here. I just don't truthfully believe it'll happen.
Despite all this having been obvious for years, can’t wait for the thread about how people want him back every time he scores a goal.
Let's just agree you don't know any more about the financial side of modern day than anyone else on this forum, myself included. Go on pretending you do, though.Why ? To educate you on modern day football, i've got better things to do on a Saturday , let's just agree to disagree and get on with our Saturdays eh
But I will leave you with this to do your own research if you care, compare this against other 30-40m pound transfers in last few seasons and realise why asking for 40m is not insane.
Plus you never answered my question, how much do you think he's worth ?
2015/16 - 11 goals , 4 assists
2016/17 - 5 goals , 6 assists
2017/18 - 9 goals - 5 assists
2018/19 - 10 goals - 2 assists
2019/20 - 21 goals , 6 assists
2020/11 - 4 goals , 3 assists
As fans do we care what goes on behind closed doors? I mean I dont wish the fella any ill will and I hope there isnt any issues but its really all about the performance.If Ole can coax that player then I agree keep him, competition for places is never a bad thing and improves the squad dynamic.
Alas I really think Martial is a player who blows very hot or very cold and last season he was anonymous for many games. It's an easy stick to beat him with when pundits are lining up to say 'look what Cavani would have done' . There is an element of truth to this however, he was just not making the runs, nowhere near aggressive enough. He has all the skill in the world but unfortunately the application and attitude should be the platform to use that skill and his attitude and application have let him down all too often.
As fans we can really only judge what we see on the pitch. Nobody knows whats going on behind closed doors that could be effecting his time on the field. A change of scenery maybe a good thing.
If the tactical option is playing with a number 9 who doesn't make runs, doesn't make space for his team mates and hides from passes. And contributes nothing to pressing without the ball.I think Martial is being targeted by journos as “the weakest link”. He did very well under Ole in 19/20. He hadn’t the best season but I still believe he has a lot of value. He is different from Cavani and provides a tactical option.
He had his best ever season for us as a number 9?If the tactical option is playing with a number 9 who doesn't make runs, doesn't make space for his team mates and hides from passes.
Martial, even if he rediscovered his best form, would only ever have a future here if we sold Rashford. Just as with Rashford, Martial is only any good as an inside left forward. Not a number 9. Not right wing. Never will be.
People actually giving a shit what Duncan Castles has to say.Around what exactly?
Half of the goals he scored in 19/20 came from him driving in from the left after swapping positions with Rashford. We were playing without a defined centre forward as they were swapping constantly throughout games, and it was working somewhat because they were both on form.He had his best ever season for us as a number 9?
Only if he is saying what we want to hearPeople actually giving a shit what Duncan Castles has to say.
They're looking at signing Edouard from Celtic I think.Hey Leicester, you need a Vardy replacement right?
Yes, that was a common play, mainly because they were our only 2 attacking players. He also scored all sorts of goals, headers, tap ins, wonder goals, the lot. His hold up play was excellent, his link up play too. He was a striker the season before last, I don't particularly care what type of mental gymnastics you use to tell yourself otherwise.Half of the goals he scored last season came from him driving in from the left after swapping positions with Rashford. We were playing without a defined centre forward as they were swapping constantly throughout games, and it was working somewhat because they were both on form.
It was a very well defined pattern of our play. Martial picking it up centrally around the half way line. Rashford doing a diagonal run into space from the left to the middle. Martial giving it to him then making a run down the left wing to get the return. Something that sadly they've both failed to recreate this season.
Even in his best season he scored maybe 5 'typical' centre forward goals.....Yes, that was a common play, mainly because they were our only 2 attacking players. He also scored all sorts of goals, headers, tap ins, wonder goals, the lot. His hold up play was excellent, his link up play too. He was a striker the season before last, I don't particularly care what type of mental gymnastics you use to tell yourself otherwise.
Lukaku wasn’t brilliant for us. He had a purple patch for about 10 weeks after he signed - the next 18 months he was distinctly average - and rightly jettisoned.I've been saying this for a while, for both Martial AND Rashford. People complained about Zlatan hurting their play. Then Lukaku came, and despite being brilliant for us in 2018, personally the best player for us that year, people still found a way to highlight his poor touch and scapegoat him, whilst failing to acknowledge that our lack of quality in attack was actually due to the weakness in the three positions behind Lukaku. We struggled to dominate because Lukaku wasn't receiving enough service from those players.
Ole then came in with his favoritism towards youngsters and shunted Lukaku out, in favor of giving Rashford in particular a chance at the no.9 position. That didn't work. Martial came in and was better, but we weren't producing anything offensively in the first half of the 19/20 season, outside of using Rashfords pace to drive into the box leading to penalties. I don't think Martial's 19/20 season was nearly as good throughout as people made it out to be. The only time since he's been here that I thought Martial could become that star player was during project restart, he seemed to have improved his ability to hold the ball centrally and was more involved in attack for the first time in his career. Unfortunately, that was a short sample and he ended up reverting to form, the form we have always seen from him, 1 good game, 9 average/bad games.
Our problem since Fergie left is that we have shown too much faith in some of our younger hyped players. It's one thing having them in the squad, it's another forcing a manager to keep a player that's done nothing relatively speaking. Lukaku wasn't given the leeway and support both Martial and Rashford have been given, and imo we lost a good striker due to our fans looking for a scapegoat that wasn't them.
I clearly know more than you about it, that's for sureFeel free to elaborate on the current economic state of most clubs in existence. You clearly know more than the clubs themselves about their finances this coming summer.
I guess that comes down to personal opinion. Do we care, should we care, I dunno. Ten years ago you would never hear of players with personal issues, mental health issues, family issues whatever and if we did, it was a case of 'they earn enough, just get on with it' Times have changed.As fans do we care what goes on behind closed doors? I mean I dont wish the fella any ill will and I hope there isnt any issues but its really all about the performance.
Otherwise whats the point! Footballers have short careers and they really should have the cop on to realise that
Crikey. That's some serious fanboying.I've been saying this for a while, for both Martial AND Rashford. People complained about Zlatan hurting their play. Then Lukaku came, and despite being brilliant for us in 2018, personally the best player for us that year, people still found a way to highlight his poor touch and scapegoat him, whilst failing to acknowledge that our lack of quality in attack was actually due to the weakness in the three positions behind Lukaku. We struggled to dominate because Lukaku wasn't receiving enough service from those players.
Ole then came in with his favoritism towards youngsters and shunted Lukaku out, in favor of giving Rashford in particular a chance at the no.9 position. That didn't work. Martial came in and was better, but we weren't producing anything offensively in the first half of the 19/20 season, outside of using Rashfords pace to drive into the box leading to penalties. I don't think Martial's 19/20 season was nearly as good throughout as people made it out to be. The only time since he's been here that I thought Martial could become that star player was during project restart, he seemed to have improved his ability to hold the ball centrally and was more involved in attack for the first time in his career. Unfortunately, that was a short sample and he ended up reverting to form, the form we have always seen from him, 1 good game, 9 average/bad games.
Our problem since Fergie left is that we have shown too much faith in some of our younger hyped players. It's one thing having them in the squad, it's another forcing a manager to keep a player that's done nothing relatively speaking. Lukaku wasn't given the leeway and support both Martial and Rashford have been given, and imo we lost a good striker due to our fans looking for a scapegoat that wasn't them.
Lukaku was very good for the first half of his first season (although even then Martial was better in December and January before we stupidly dropped him for Sanchez), but his form had already dropped significantly in the second half of that season. Then of course his second season was ridiculously bad, even more frustrating than Martial's this season IMO. Performance-wise they were probably similar, but Lukaku came across as ego while Martial is more confidence. Both Lukaku and Mourinho tried to pretend that Lukaku was playing well and he played every single minute and built the entire set-up to try to play through him, even though he was failing at the absolute basics that he was supposed to do. At least Ole did try to rotate and drop Martial when Cavani was right to play.I've been saying this for a while, for both Martial AND Rashford. People complained about Zlatan hurting their play. Then Lukaku came, and despite being brilliant for us in 2018, personally the best player for us that year, people still found a way to highlight his poor touch and scapegoat him, whilst failing to acknowledge that our lack of quality in attack was actually due to the weakness in the three positions behind Lukaku. We struggled to dominate because Lukaku wasn't receiving enough service from those players.
I've been saying this for a while, for both Martial AND Rashford. People complained about Zlatan hurting their play. Then Lukaku came, and despite being brilliant for us in 2018, personally the best player for us that year, people still found a way to highlight his poor touch and scapegoat him, whilst failing to acknowledge that our lack of quality in attack was actually due to the weakness in the three positions behind Lukaku. We struggled to dominate because Lukaku wasn't receiving enough service from those players.
Ole then came in with his favoritism towards youngsters and shunted Lukaku out, in favor of giving Rashford in particular a chance at the no.9 position. That didn't work. Martial came in and was better, but we weren't producing anything offensively in the first half of the 19/20 season, outside of using Rashfords pace to drive into the box leading to penalties. I don't think Martial's 19/20 season was nearly as good throughout as people made it out to be. The only time since he's been here that I thought Martial could become that star player was during project restart, he seemed to have improved his ability to hold the ball centrally and was more involved in attack for the first time in his career. Unfortunately, that was a short sample and he ended up reverting to form, the form we have always seen from him, 1 good game, 9 average/bad games.
Our problem since Fergie left is that we have shown too much faith in some of our younger hyped players. It's one thing having them in the squad, it's another forcing a manager to keep a player that's done nothing relatively speaking. Lukaku wasn't given the leeway and support both Martial and Rashford have been given, and imo we lost a good striker due to our fans looking for a scapegoat that wasn't them.
I've always been an admirer of Martial and his technical quality. When he's on it, he's an absolute joy to watch. Was really good last season but he fell of a cliff this year and was absolutely dreadful. At a big club you only get so many chances. But I actually can't see him leaving, there's nobody out there who would pay him the silly money we decided to.Castles or not, how many of us would weep bitterly if he was sold this summer?
He's pretty much expendable, no? Not least if we could actually get someone to pony up a half decent transfer fee.
You say all that but my point is, despite knowing how good he is, the fans turned on him quickly when he was off form. Yet Martial and Rashford have been skating lightly after mediocre season after mediocre season. It's notnlike Lukaku didn't have injuries or wasn't overplayed either. I'm not generally a fan of Lukaku, but our fans did treat him poorly. I feel it's the same thing that happened with Maguire last season too. A small patch of poor form and fans start behaving like they have been waiting to tear them apart.
Lukaku had large periods of below average performances. Then he came back fat and blamed his NT for bulking up. He got bullied by shorter, thinner players while he was bulked up in size. And then there was his first touch which screwed up the half chances we used to create.
Yeah, there's that - of course.But I actually can't see him leaving, there's nobody out there who would pay him the silly money we decided to.
Being a squad player is always a balance of how good a player are they, how good they are with limited game time and if they can be an impact sub, if they can stay fit to actually be useful as a squad player, and then finally if they're happy in that role.So sell Martial, but keep Mata & James ? I understand Diallo or Pellistri could have more minutes, but is Martial really that of a weakling in our somewhat still unbalanced side ?
If there's something our officials not saying to us and we're about to find out, perhaps even bigger rebuild than we thought, then shit's getting really interesting.
Are we getting rid of Ole, too ?
It wasn't just a small patch of poor form though. Lukaku was good for a quarter of the time he was with us, poor in a quarter, and truly terrible for half. And it wasn't just his poor form, but his attitude where he would blame everybody around him for his own feck-ups, as well as being an obvious teachers pet to Jose, that just pissed off most of us.You say all that but my point is, despite knowing how good he is, the fans turned on him quickly when he was off form. Yet Martial and Rashford have been skating lightly after mediocre season after mediocre season. It's notnlike Lukaku didn't have injuries or wasn't overplayed either. I'm not generally a fan of Lukaku, but our fans did treat him poorly. I feel it's the same thing that happened with Maguire last season too. A small patch of poor form and fans start behaving like they have been waiting to tear them apart.
Depends on the price. As others have said, it seems pretty dumb to sell him now while he's at a low point, unless we already have someone lined up. Otherwise, the only way is up for him next season, so might as well keep him and reap the benefits ourselves while waiting for hsi value to go back up.Castles or not, how many of us would weep bitterly if he was sold this summer?
He's pretty much expendable, no? Not least if we could actually get someone to pony up a half decent transfer fee.