Rashford has this covered.
Martial exit?
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Shaw is English so therefore deemed world class when he doesn't play terribly.
Great post that puts into perspective how fecking badly run we've been.
Even towards the end of Fergie we started to hold onto players who were clearly nowhere near good enough, Anderson being at the club from 2007 to 2015 is a great example of this, but it really ramped up after Fergie went.
It felt like if you managed to stay fit and play well for a month you got a new 5 year contract automatically.
Seem to have it all apart from the most important bit...the bit in between the ears!
What a shit show.
Although, I will say McT is a perfectly adequate squad player. No issue with him sticking around. You need players like him in a 50-55 game season.
Yes. Or it’s because he is actually a very good left back when fit.
That's not what I remember. He has had some terrible seasons and a few injury ridden seasons. There has been a noticeable shift of opinion on Shaw here, because I remember when he was regarded as an overweight, lazy, waste of space who was too passive defensively, according to the majority of our supporters. And they were right at the time, because he was bad for quite a few of the seasons he's been here.
No you don't if you are serious about being a team competing for top honours year in year out .
Maybe it was 50 million down the drain.
There's no maybe unfortunately.
Yes, but he’s not fit often enough so is of very limited utility to us. He offers nothing from the treatment room. We probably need to sign a new left back this summer
Only 1 unqualified successful season, 19-20 when much of it was played in empty stadiums, sadly he just didn’t have the mentality to match the talent.
He's not even that reliableAgreed. He's completely unreliable.
I agree, but the post I was responding to was talking about performances when fit. I’ve said in multiple threads that a top left back should be higher priority than right back. Shaw can fill in at left centre back for game time; I genuinely think he needs to try moving there to prolong his career now. He can’t keep covering the amount of distance he’s expected to at full back.
When did he last score a goal that won us a match, or earned us points?
I observed a few years ago that he only scores when we're already winning, and I can't think of a single goal he's scored since which has been of any importance
COUGH!
John O'Shea, played in every position for United including goalkeeper.
Even got us a winner against the scouse
It definitely was...
Just had a look at the stats. In the Prem it’s 01 Jan 2021, 3 years and 3 months ago. That’s a terrible stat for him!
If he’s truly on 250k per week as some think, that’s £42.75 million in wages. FML.
If he’s truly on 250k per week as some think, that’s £42.75 million in wages. FML.
You clearly don't remember his career very well then.
Agree. By far the best dribbler (pre injuries) we've had post SAF and it isn't close. Thought it was finally coming together after his brilliant 19/20 season and then he got off to a bit of a cold start before endless injuries pretty much shut the door on any sort of promise he had the rest of his time here.
In another life some other big club buys him and develops him better and he's talked about far differently.
Don’t just claim I’m wrong. Prove it. You’ll show yourself up
Are you saying since a few years ago? So basically when he's never played due to injuries? Or throughout his career with us?
Say the last 3-4 years. Or since his new contract. Of the goals he has scored in that time, how many have been important goals?
How are you dismissing his 2015-16 first season with 17 goals as not a success out of interest?
That is just not true at all. He hasn't put two consecutive good seasons together in his entire time here, mostly due to injury but also loss of form. I'd say three very good seasons in his career here.
It's fair to say we've had some talented but very inconsistent players here.
Okay so 2019/2020 season
Opener and only goal against Wolves
Winner against Partizan
Equalizer against Brugge
2nd goal against City (won 2-1)
Equalizer against Newcastle
Opener against Chelsea
Opener against City
Hat trick against Sheffield (I don't know how many of those you deem "important" but he scored the only goals in the game himself)
Go ahead goal against Southampton (but we ended up drawing so was it "important" in the end?)
That's just one season where he scored openers in big games, or winners/equalizers in the league and in the EL
After that it's largely been a gamut of injuries and playing non fit up until now, but saying he never scored important goals for us in his career is just strange.
It’s a shame how it all worked out but souls have gone a long time ago. At least all his wages will finally be off the books and if they are anything close to the 250k that is often reported that will largely fund a replacement like Sesko.
Appreciate the time you took looking into that thanks
Just to note, I didn’t say in his career. I know he was more productive in the first half of his United career. And he did well during the Covid games.
Just seems to have been that way in recent years. And yes I know there’s been lots of injuries etc but even if you just take his last 20 goals it seems not many would be important. Most seem to have been when the team is already ahead. No arguments from me if it’s proved wrong and I will accept I’ve just remembered it wrong
Out of interest where did you find that info? I never know where to look for these stats
It's not strange, it's plain wrong as you have pointed out
Transfermarkt is my favorite of the sites because you can get overall stats, availability/stats for each game of the season in a competition, and also can get each match report with one click on a single page. Very easy to get a decent summation of a season from a given player.
Entirely fair question, I based it off 11 premier league goals which isn't enough for a Manchester United No 9, but taking into account his youth and cup goals I probably should have said 2 successful seasons.
Other than his shirt number, he also wasn’t a Manchester United No 9 that season either.
He will be fully fit and walking out of Carrington he will injure himself again.
He should of been gone a long time ago and another sign of the bad management under Ed Woodward. Injured more then not and not really a manchester united player. He has talent but is lacking the guts.
He played left wing in his first season and got 17 goals and was literally our only attacking threat so teams were double and triple marking him
That's a bit of a stretch - only 9 out of the 38 league games were played in empty stadiums.
Crazy how at every single professional club he has been at, it seems like he has never trully enjoyed his football, there are always problems either from himself and/or his surroundings.
At Monaco he was not very motivated to train.
At United when he started becoming familiar with the club, Jose came, took his jersey number and mutated him into a LW. A position he didnt prefer.
Then he was loaned out to Sevilla, again looking miserable when he was there.
He returned to United, had some good games, manager liked him but injuries hampered his availability and forms massively.
Will be one of those enigmas we will look back in a decade.
At Monaco he was not very motivated to train.
At United when he started becoming familiar with the club, Jose came, took his jersey number and mutated him into a LW. A position he didnt prefer.
Then he was loaned out to Sevilla, again looking miserable when he was there.
He returned to United, had some good games, manager liked him but injuries hampered his availability and forms massively.
Will be one of those enigmas we will look back in a decade.
Give me the opposite of him please. Tenacious Tevez/Suarez type. Maybe not someone as talented as them as that’s clearly easier said to do than actually find but we’re crying out for a relentless attacker.
I think Garnacho and Rasmus are relentless. We just need to replace Rashford to get the 3 of them working as hard as any other attacking unit and to be fair Antony works really hard too.