Martin Ødegaard - Next season

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So if we think back about 18 months I'm sure we can all remember the hype around this kid and the fact that pretty much all the top clubs were after him.

18 Months on and is he still the brightest young talent in the world or yet another kid who has failed to progress at Madrid and desperately needs a move away (be that a loan or a more permanent arrangement)

Had Norway qualified he could have been going to the Euros with a chance to shine - instead he finds himself in the reserves at real and facing the somewhat daunting prospect of having Ronaldo, Bale, Rodriguez, Isco, Jesse and Vasquez to get past to get an attacking role in the team... with Kroos, Modric and Kovacic for a bit of extra competition in a more central midfield role.

He will be 18 next season and perhaps next season, he is around 10 months older than rashford, at 18 Michael Owen was scoring 20+ a season and in the PFA team of the year, Rooney had been a first team regular for Everton for some time and Xavi broke into the Barca team.

There has been a lot written about his dad being a coach at Madrid, about a clause insisting he trains with the first team and I'm sure he is happy living in Madrid with family around him and getting to train with some of the very best in the world. But surely the players and Real Madrids long term interest is best served by getting him on loan somewhere so he can actually play games and develop?

Obviously Madrid will still have to pay a whopping chunk or all of his wages and he would have to agree any move but it seems logical he is at least loaned out next year.

Anybody think he will break through at Madrid next year if he stays?
Or if the best option for him is to play with the reserves for the opportunity to train with the first team?
Or should he just look for a new club permanently or go out on Loan?

If he went on loan what level do people think he could get regular games at?
 

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The strange thing with Martin Ødegaard is that he seems to be at his best when he plays on a higher level. He is probably a lot more mature than his age group. He will not be a better player if he plays for Real Madrid B imo. Should leave Real Madrid or at least go to a ok club in Spain, Italy, France, Holland or England.
 

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I don't know much about this kid but Real Madrid are an odd choice for a talented teenager wanting to make it big.
 

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I still can't understand that he turned down a move to Ajax, had he gone there 18 months ago he would be a first team regular by now and would probably be the dream signing of all the muppets around.
 

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Time's on his side. A first team loan would be great for him but I don't think he needs to worry too much at 17.
 

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He's 10 months older than Rashford? I sometimes forget how young Rashford actually is..
 

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I still can't understand that he turned down a move to Ajax, had he gone there 18 months ago he would be a first team regular by now and would probably be the dream signing of all the muppets around.
Yes, that is really what he should have done. Real Madrid is probably the worst choice he could make, but they gave him superstar status from day one and he swallowed it raw.
 

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A loan to somewhere like Sociedad would be good for him.
 

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He's younger than Rashford.

edit: beaten to it
 

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He's 10 months younger than Rashford.

Think he needs a move away, either loan or permanent with a buy back - To a mid table top flight team.
 

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Odegaard is younger than Rashford. Owen and Rooney were exceptional impact players Odegaard has fantastic technique but I don't think he will burst into the team I think he will be a slow builder, steadily improving and justifying his place more and more. Next season he would do well to take a loan in la liga and just get game time under his belt, Hallilovic over at sporting Gijon got a lot of time this season, Barcelona are great at making sure there players get a lot of playing time, as delefeou got with everton, whatever they do don't send him to Dortmund.
 

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Why did he do it? Well for the money of course. He gets payed more than some first team players.

He started off poorly but improved as the season went along. Fabulous technically, but physically and tactically he has ways to go. He'll probably do the preseason with Zidane and the first team and then get loaned out or sold on one of those sell with buy back option contracts Real Madrid like to do. I think a team like Villareal would be a good fit for him.
 

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ah, that stupid kid who went to madrid just to recognize that this was the worst decision?
wasted time...
he could have been playing in a good league already, but hey madrid was calling.
and then? he cried that he cant play in the first team. what a surpise you fool.:lol:
 

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Madrid are paying him 50k a week.
That 50k could be the highest he will get in his career if he doesn't progress beyond Real's reserves. Anyway, hope that's not the case since it's still early days for him.
 

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Weren't there reports that he didn't stand out even for Castilla?
 

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I'm not defending the move just pointing out why he made it.
and iam just laughing about guys like odegard.

while watching and enjoying guys like 17 years old pulisic,passlack,durm,weigl and so on ;-)
 

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Don't feel sorry for him. He enjoyed whoring himself around Europe and chose the team he would always get the least playing time with, So he deserves this.
 

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Don't feel sorry for him. He enjoyed whoring himself around Europe and chose the team he would always get the least playing time with, So he deserves this.
He's just a kid listening to his stupid father, can't fault him for it surely. He still needs to get away from madrid to really shine.
 

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Weren't there reports that he didn't stand out even for Castilla?
It was more that he struggled than didn't stand out. He was playing with Castilla but training almost entirely with the Real Madrid proper squad. Didn't gel at all, reportedly (although you hear this about every hyped youngster and the story writes itself, so its probably bullshit) pissed off a couple of coaches and teammates with his attitude. That said, yes, he was outshone by a number of other youngsters, including our own Varela who impressed in his loan season.
 

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It was more that he struggled than didn't stand out. He was playing with Castilla but training almost entirely with the Real Madrid proper squad. Didn't gel at all, reportedly (although you hear this about every hyped youngster and the story writes itself, so its probably bullshit) pissed off a couple of coaches and teammates with his attitude. That said, yes, he was outshone by a number of other youngsters, including our own Varela who impressed in his loan season.
I am surprised he didn't go on loan somehwere.
 

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Shocking, isn't it?

"We hope you will achieve great success at Real Madrid. You have an extraordinary talent and we have great hopes for you”. Those words from Emilio Butragueño during Martin Ødegaard's official presentation on 23 January 2015 still reverbarate around Valdebebas. The teenager arrived with a tag of a child prodigy, but after 49 games in the Second Division B (and two goals) and two games with the first team, Ødegaard has yet to set the world alight. Ancelotti, one and a half years after the Norwegian was signed, has shed some light on the move in his latest book Quiet Leadership:“When Florentino buys a Norwegian footballer, you simply have to accept it. Furthermore, the president decided that he would play three games with the first team as a public relations exercise”.

The coach believes that Ødegaard's signing was a marketing manoeuvre and adds that he was not interested in the player: “He could be the best player in the world, but I don't care because he was not a player who I asked for. That signing was a to do with PR”. Madrid and the player are now looking for an outlet - a loan spell in the Premier Leaguefor the new season (Ødegaard's father prefers a move to Germany or England). The 17-year-old will not remain playing in Spain's third tier - the Segunda División B. His contract with Madrid states that he must train with the first team and only play matches with Castilla. “We are all convinced that he is going to become an important player for Real Madrid. We are looking to the future and I think he has quality and intelligence”, Ancelotti said the time, accepting the signing and handing the player two games with the senio side.


http://en.as.com/en/2016/06/22/football/1466572179_625892.html
 

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Shocking, isn't it?

"We hope you will achieve great success at Real Madrid. You have an extraordinary talent and we have great hopes for you”. Those words from Emilio Butragueño during Martin Ødegaard's official presentation on 23 January 2015 still reverbarate around Valdebebas. The teenager arrived with a tag of a child prodigy, but after 49 games in the Second Division B (and two goals) and two games with the first team, Ødegaard has yet to set the world alight. Ancelotti, one and a half years after the Norwegian was signed, has shed some light on the move in his latest book Quiet Leadership:“When Florentino buys a Norwegian footballer, you simply have to accept it. Furthermore, the president decided that he would play three games with the first team as a public relations exercise”.

The coach believes that Ødegaard's signing was a marketing manoeuvre and adds that he was not interested in the player: “He could be the best player in the world, but I don't care because he was not a player who I asked for. That signing was a to do with PR”. Madrid and the player are now looking for an outlet - a loan spell in the Premier Leaguefor the new season (Ødegaard's father prefers a move to Germany or England). The 17-year-old will not remain playing in Spain's third tier - the Segunda División B. His contract with Madrid states that he must train with the first team and only play matches with Castilla. “We are all convinced that he is going to become an important player for Real Madrid. We are looking to the future and I think he has quality and intelligence”, Ancelotti said the time, accepting the signing and handing the player two games with the senio side.


http://en.as.com/en/2016/06/22/football/1466572179_625892.html
Don't understand why he made such an awful decision. Hasn't he seen the many young players that have gone there and were moved on?

He should have went to Ajax or even Barcelona would have been better
 

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I think this is overly dramatic. They signed a very promising child prodigy for next to nothing. Given their turnover in coaches it's understandable that they didn't ask Carlo for permission.
 

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Shocking, isn't it?

"We hope you will achieve great success at Real Madrid. You have an extraordinary talent and we have great hopes for you”. Those words from Emilio Butragueño during Martin Ødegaard's official presentation on 23 January 2015 still reverbarate around Valdebebas. The teenager arrived with a tag of a child prodigy, but after 49 games in the Second Division B (and two goals) and two games with the first team, Ødegaard has yet to set the world alight. Ancelotti, one and a half years after the Norwegian was signed, has shed some light on the move in his latest book Quiet Leadership:“When Florentino buys a Norwegian footballer, you simply have to accept it. Furthermore, the president decided that he would play three games with the first team as a public relations exercise”.

The coach believes that Ødegaard's signing was a marketing manoeuvre and adds that he was not interested in the player: “He could be the best player in the world, but I don't care because he was not a player who I asked for. That signing was a to do with PR”. Madrid and the player are now looking for an outlet - a loan spell in the Premier Leaguefor the new season (Ødegaard's father prefers a move to Germany or England). The 17-year-old will not remain playing in Spain's third tier - the Segunda División B. His contract with Madrid states that he must train with the first team and only play matches with Castilla. “We are all convinced that he is going to become an important player for Real Madrid. We are looking to the future and I think he has quality and intelligence”, Ancelotti said the time, accepting the signing and handing the player two games with the senio side.


http://en.as.com/en/2016/06/22/football/1466572179_625892.html
Not shocking at all. Isn't it well known managers at Real Madrid have little to no say in transfer for most part? And Perez can mess with team management and team selection in some cases?

If anything shocking, it's the fact that how bad a father this kid have. Signing for Real win all the fore warning, then this train with first team + play with youth clause. I meant football is a team game. How can you expect to perform if you never train with your teammate at all? Not even Messi can do that, mind you.
 

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I think this is overly dramatic. They signed a very promising child prodigy for next to nothing. Given their turnover in coaches it's understandable that they didn't ask Carlo for permission.
Why is Perez the one deciding he would play three first team matches?
 

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Why is Perez the one deciding he would play three first team matches?
The same reason, he can decide to sell Di Maria, Alonso and forced Ancelotti to play Bale more centrally after signed an AM in James!
 
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Why is Perez the one deciding he would play three first team matches?
Afaik Ödegaard made the squad twice. Once when Real were winning 3-0 at home against a relegation candidate and he didn't even get to play there and late sub appearance in a pointless home match they were already leading by two goals at home..
Doesn't look like such a huge deal to me.
 

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Afaik Ödegaard made the squad twice. Once when Real were winning 3-0 at home against a relegation candidate and he didn't even get to play there and late sub appearance in a pointless home match they were already leading by two goals at home..
Doesn't look like such a huge deal to me.
To be honest, my point isn't just about Odegaard. Haven read a lot of the excerpts from Carlo's book, there seems to be a culture of interference from Perez.
Carlo gives the impression Perez didn't care one jolt about Martin's development.
 

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The one hung in his favour is that he is still very young. But he must leave asap. Before he know it, he's 20 and would have played very little first team football.
 

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The one hung in his favour is that he is still very young. But he must leave asap. Before he know it, he's 20 and would have played very little first team football.
Will be on loan next season.
 

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Yeah poor move from him, he could have gone to any number of teams noted for developing young players and at the end of the day, if he reached the level at said club he's supposed to Real would have been all over him anyway.