Film Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

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I was about to call him a boomer, but he's actually 8-9 years older than the oldest boomers :eek:

Anyways, he peaked in 1979 with Alien.
Yeah his age shocked me, which it shouldn't considering the date of a lot of his works, but the man looks damn good.
I actually really enjoyed the film, but I watch virtually no films or even shows anymore, so my opinion and taste is incredibly questionable, and I am a sucker for the setting. I haven't liked many of his films for a long time though so my expectations were probably a little lowered.

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I mean, Empire is terrible and always has been. Even as an idiotic teenager I used to buy Total Film instead.
*googles 'total film top 100'*

Much better.

Goodfellas the best film of all time, though? :p
 

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Might have went with Jaws. Lord of the rings as greatest film ever is hilarious.

Has popular opinion ever not been a joke?
 

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Interesting analysis. I had a similar thought the other week when I watched Vanilla Sky. It struck me how there's a scene where Penelope Cruz is topless and there's a big sexual aspect to Cruise and Cameron Diaz's relationship. I don't hold the film too highly but found it interesting watching a mega Hollywood film which, at the time, did embrace some sexual content.

Not sure what the rest of the articles are like but I've bookmarked the site for further reading.
 

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John Wick Chapter 4 should be good...i guess
 

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I can't believe Avatar 2 is finally coming out 13 years after the original. Really curious to see how it does at the BO given the original is the highest grossing movie of all time.
 

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I can't believe Avatar 2 is finally coming out 13 years after the original. Really curious to see how it does at the BO given the original is the highest grossing movie of all time.
Disney are playing some sort of chess here. Perhaps for marketing reasons, but endgame became the highest grossing film ever only for a small rerelease of avatar in China to push it back over the line.

Fully expect a rerelease of endgame at some point too.
 

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I can't believe Avatar 2 is finally coming out 13 years after the original. Really curious to see how it does at the BO given the original is the highest grossing movie of all time.
It will be a gigantic flop.
 

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Interesting analysis. I had a similar thought the other week when I watched Vanilla Sky. It struck me how there's a scene where Penelope Cruz is topless and there's a big sexual aspect to Cruise and Cameron Diaz's relationship. I don't hold the film too highly but found it interesting watching a mega Hollywood film which, at the time, did embrace some sexual content.

Not sure what the rest of the articles are like but I've bookmarked the site for further reading.
I actually think people who are in their teens and 20s and perhaps early 30s might be better positioned to comment on that article, AKA do they feel like the movies they were sold generally have less sexual content than movies they've seen from the 70s 80s early 90s.

Really good read. Just from the link I knew they were going to talk about Verhoeven. Robot Cop - Showgirls - Starship Troopers might be the greatest unofficial trilogy on america.
Look, we gave the world cowboys, Michael Jordan, the Big Mac and Taylor Swift. Please go easy on us during our steep decline ride off into the sunset.
 

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I don't think it has any chance of matching the first's success but this is JC we're talking about, there's no way it's flopping.
I have a hard time believing people will care about the movie. The first one was successful due to the novelty factor of 3D. Other than that, it had basically zero cultural impact. I think everything that comes now will disappoint at the box office.
 

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I actually think people who are in their teens and 20s and perhaps early 30s might be better positioned to comment on that article, AKA do they feel like the movies they were sold generally have less sexual content than movies they've seen from the 70s 80s early 90s.
I'd say yes because I think a lot of older films used sex as a means to shock or draw an audience at a time when pornography wasn't so commonplace in media.

https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/news/a7509/the-10-best-sex-movies-countdown/

I think this list is a good talking point as there's only three recent from the past decade: Nymphomaniac, Blue is the Warmest Colour, and Call Me By Your Name. One is meant to be shocking in its extremity. The other two are LGBTQ+ and I think also meant to surprise the audience albeit in a completely different way (by introducing them to less commonly seen themes).

I imagine most new big budget movies would rather avoid sex if there's no point because it will likely affect what certificate the film gets.

What do you think?
 
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I'd say yes because I think a lot of older films used sex as a means to shock or draw an audience at a time when pornography wasn't so commonplace in media.

https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/film/news/a7509/the-10-best-sex-movies-countdown/

I think this list is a good talking point as there's only three recent from the past decade: Nymphomaniac, Blue is the Warmest Colour, and Call Me By Your Name. One is meant to be shocking in its extremity. The other two are LGBTQ+ and I think also meant to surprise the audience albeit in a completely different way (by introducing them to less commonly seen themes).

I imagine most new big budget movies would rather avoid sex if they aren't using it for a particular reason and because it will probably affect what certificate the film gets.

What do you think?
I agree on the bolded part and the ratings/certificate thing. Although I'm wondering if there's anything else, such as any effects 9/11 might have had in terms of showing sex on the big screen AKA studios very quickly pivoting away from that kind of 'percevied-as-unnecessarily-frivolous/improper-in-these-somber-times' content for a good few years.

Chuck in how major stars showing some skin pre-internet was a surefire box-office draw and how much younger-skewing movies like The Goonies are littered with sex-related jokes/situations (Back to the Future, Weird Science, etc) and some lurker on this thread's got their film-studies thesis wings.

The specific comic-book-movies-are-sterile aspect I think might be heavily a function of the incidental foible that Disney happens to be the peddler for the overwhelming majority of content. There was a pinch of sex/eroticism in each of the Marvel movies before that, I think - maybe except for The Incredible Hulk - i.e. the first Iron Man (Paramount) has a little bit (fair bit?) in it.