Film Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

He is only going to becoming more annoying as he gets older.



He would absolutely get on my nerves if he was a colleague or an acquaintance :lol:

I can't help but admire his passion for film though. It's kind of infectious (in small dozes).

And he's right about The Hunger Games. It's totally a Battle Royale rip-off.
 
He is only going to becoming more annoying as he gets older.


He's just a really obnoxious guy that happens to be a great filmmaker, and an movie expert as well. He's kind of like James Cameron - arrogant but he actually kinda has good reasons to be arrogant.

Never watched Battle Royale, but Hollywood ripping off or remaking foreign movies is not exactly new.
 
He would absolutely get on my nerves if he was a colleague or an acquaintance :lol:
Always reminded of the Fiona Apple story
Apple was then dating filmmaker Paul Thomas Anderson, whom she began seeing in 1997, and with whom she shared a tumultuous, drug-fueled three years.

Apple recalled the “one excruciating night” at Tarantino’s home that caused her to swear off cocaine forever, wherein she spent the night listening to Anderson and Tarantino brag.

“Every addict should just get locked in a private movie theatre with Q.T. and P.T.A. on coke, and they’ll never want to do it again,” Apple joked.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...aine-quentin-tarantino-paul-thomoas-anderson/
I can't help but admire his passion for film though. It's kind of infectious (in small dozes).
He's just a really obnoxious guy that happens to be a great filmmaker, and a movie expert as well. He's kind of like James Cameron - arrogant but he actually kinda has good reasons to be arrogant.
Yeah as much as I hate him I’ve already booked up tickets to the re release of Kill Bill Vol 1&2.
And he's right about The Hunger Games. It's totally a Battle Royale rip-off.
Never watched Battle Royale, but Hollywood ripping off or remaking foreign movies is not exactly new.
He’s correct but also referencing other films is basically how Tarantino made his career!

Would really recommend Battle Royale. Brilliant film.
 
He’s correct but also referencing other films is basically how Tarantino made his career!

Would really recommend Battle Royale. Brilliant film.
I'm sure he would draw a line between referencing/paying homage and ripping off. His work has always been extremely referential, but I'm not sure he has ever just flat out taken a concept or an idea from another piece of work?
 
I'm sure he would draw a line between referencing/paying homage and ripping off. His work has always been extremely referential, but I'm not sure he has ever just flat out taken a concept or an idea from another piece of work?


Tarantino has admitted stealing the last 10 minutes of City On Fire but isn’t really stealing because reasons(I’m the sure the director of the Hunger Games would say the same thing).

Is Fortnite just a massive marketing platform or a game?
It’s the everything app!
 
Tarantino has admitted stealing the last 10 minutes of City On Fire but isn’t really stealing because reasons(I’m the sure the director of the Hunger Games would say the same thing).
Fair enough. I mean, he doesn't strike me as the type to be above some good old fashioned hypocrisy. He's also just a combative guy, when he wants to be. Always enjoyed him shutting down stupid interviewers going on about movie violence.
 
How he managed to not get MeToo'd, I'll never know.

Creepy little toe sucker.

Isn't there also a creepy interview/podcast from the 2000's where he defends Weinstein and blames (and laughs at) the victims?
 
Always enjoyed him shutting down stupid interviewers going on about movie violence.
Same. He is one of the few guy who basically says movie violence is fake so we can do whatever we want and not really worrying about it. Which is pretty much the correct take.

Also defended Showgirls when everyone else was hating on it.
 
Same. He is one of the few guy who basically says movie violence is fake so we can do whatever we want and not really worrying about it. Which is pretty much the correct take.

Also defended Showgirls when everyone else was hating on it.
Yeah, can’t agree with that.


Generally speaking, Tarantino has made a career from ripping off, ah, paying homage to French and Japanese cinema, so the hypocrisy is stunning.

He’s also an incredibly overrated director who throughout his entire career has not had an interesting thing to say in his movies. The dude has been making the same movie for 40 years now.
 
he makes movies that are usually well acted and fun to watch. that's pretty much it, but it's also enough for most of the audience.

his last great movie was 32 years ago.
 
Yeah, can’t agree with that.
Out of interest what is disagree with that type of view ?
Generally speaking, Tarantino has made a career from ripping off, ah, paying homage to French and Japanese cinema, so the hypocrisy is stunning.
Pretty much.
He’s also an incredibly overrated director who throughout his entire career has not had an interesting thing to say in his movies. The dude has been making the same movie for 40 years now.
I liked his last movie as film about people running out of time and end of an era. Also the found the scene where Margot Robbie goes to watch a Sharon Tate film to pretty brilliant.

But yeah for Tarantino his film are like a fantasy sandbox where he gets to play with his nerdy references. His work has very little to say about the modern world(Which is both a positive and a negative).
 
Some tough Tarantino critics in this thread.

The only one of his movies I've watched that didn't really do a lot for me was The Hateful Eight. The rest has been quality.
 
Some tough Tarantino critics in this thread.

Tarantino films are very male-centric. The archetypical Tarantino fan is a 20 year old college dude bro who just discovered Pulp Fiction and had his whole brain rewired from the experience. In that sense, I can understand why some people are put off by his films. And that's before taking Tarantino's personality into account. Some people can't separate the art from the artist (and fanbase).

To say that his films are "all the same" is a bit of an exagerration, but they certainly have a very distinct style. And if you don't like this style then you pretty much eliminate his entire filmography. But to call his films bad are taking things too far. He's clearly a good director. In my opinion:

Best film:
Reservoir Dogs

Most iconic film:
Pulp Fiction

Personal favorite:
Django Unchained
 
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Yeah, can’t agree with that.


Generally speaking, Tarantino has made a career from ripping off, ah, paying homage to French and Japanese cinema, so the hypocrisy is stunning.

He’s also an incredibly overrated director who throughout his entire career has not had an interesting thing to say in his movies. The dude has been making the same movie for 40 years now.
This seems unnecessarily harsh. He actually has a directorial vision, which is basically that of a non-mainstream cinema fanatic (by occidental standards) who has enjoyed playing with his references throughout his career. While there may be some anecdotal moments of actual copying, in general he has offered an original vision that uses these references and has probably gotten many filmgoers to jump into the films he loves. It's revisionism to suggest otherwise.

As for "not had an interesting thing to say", again overly harsh - what he's saying is usually more meta messaging about cinema, which can be your cup of tea or not, and from time to time he'll have something broader to say, like in Once upon a time in Hollywood.

For what it's worth, he's not close to being one of my favourite directors, but he's still a talented guy who's been important to the past 3 decades of cinema in his own little way.

He is definitely becoming more and more tiresome in his public statements and general lecturing though.
 
This seems unnecessarily harsh. He actually has a directorial vision, which is basically that of a non-mainstream cinema fanatic (by occidental standards) who has enjoyed playing with his references throughout his career. While there may be some anecdotal moments of actual copying, in general he has offered an original vision that uses these references and has probably gotten many filmgoers to jump into the films he loves. It's revisionism to suggest otherwise.

As for "not had an interesting thing to say", again overly harsh - what he's saying is usually more meta messaging about cinema, which can be your cup of tea or not, and from time to time he'll have something broader to say, like in Once upon a time in Hollywood.

For what it's worth, he's not close to being one of my favourite directors, but he's still a talented guy who's been important to the past 3 decades of cinema in his own little way.

He is definitely becoming more and more tiresome in his public statements and general lecturing though.
I am being harsh. But that’s the same way in which Tarantino regularly talks about the works of others, so I see no reason to be more balanced in my assessment. To me he is a clown who’s blessed with the ability to create beautiful images, yet incapable of filling them with anything meaningful.
 
To me he is a clown who’s blessed with the ability to create beautiful images, yet incapable of filling them with anything meaningful.

Does every film need to be meaningful? Can't a film just be engaging?
 
Out of interest what is disagree with that type of view ?

Pretty much.

I liked his last movie as film about people running out of time and end of an era. Also the found the scene where Margot Robbie goes to watch a Sharon Tate film to pretty brilliant.

But yeah for Tarantino his film are like a fantasy sandbox where he gets to play with his nerdy references. His work has very little to say about the modern world(Which is both a positive and a negative).
I dislike the absolute nature of the statement. There definitely are forms of violence that we deem not ok to be portrayed on the screen and that’s perfectly fine. There are boundaries that need constant reevaluation, but that doesn’t make them wrong in itself.
Fake violence can have negative implications on others and to pretend that all this is entirely harmless, because it’s fake, is in my view a way for artists to try and be absolved of their responsibility in regards to the impact their art can have.
 
Does every film need to be meaningful? Can't a film just be engaging?
Sure. But I don’t think the 20th excuse for Samuel L Jackson to say the n-word for 74 times inside a four minute frame is all that engaging. Tarantino is just searching for ways to create the same pictures with the same dialogues again and again. Watching his movies feels like watching a very ugly person masturbate to videos, they made of passengers in a dirty subway station.
 
Sure. But I don’t think the 20th excuse for Samuel L Jackson to say the n-word for 74 times inside a four minute frame is all that engaging. Tarantino is just searching for ways to create the same pictures with the same dialogues again and again. Watching his movies feels like watching a very ugly person masturbate to videos, they made of passengers in a dirty subway station.

I think that's very reductive, but fair enough.
 
I think that's very reductive, but fair enough.
I have seen the Hateful Eight and nothing you can say will make that pile of shit seem engaging. Just a bunch of comedic characters spouting tough man drivel with no sense or meaning.
 
I am being harsh. But that’s the same way in which Tarantino regularly talks about the works of others, so I see no reason to be more balanced in my assessment.
Does this genuinely make sense to you, as you write it out?
I have seen the Hateful Eight and nothing you can say will make that pile of shit seem engaging. Just a bunch of comedic characters spouting tough man drivel with no sense or meaning.
That's 1 of his 9 films, that is generally regarded as his weakest (or amongst his weakest). Taking one example as a reflection of his whole work isn't a great argument.
 
I have seen the Hateful Eight and nothing you can say will make that pile of shit seem engaging. Just a bunch of comedic characters spouting tough man drivel with no sense or meaning.

That's his worst or second worst film, though.

But whether or not something is engaging is going to be subjective. I think Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained are engaging. It's been a while since I saw Jackie Brown and Kill Bill so I don't have a strong opinion on those. I didn't like The Hateful Eight and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (although DiCaprio was funny in it).
 
Does this genuinely make sense to you, as you write it out?

That's 1 of his 9 films, that is generally regarded as his weakest (or amongst his weakest). Taking one example as a reflection of his whole work isn't a great argument.
I have seen every single movie of his until the hateful eight. There are two that I found entertaining. Those were Inglourious Basterds and Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction because it had a truly interesting narrative style and Inglourious Basterds, because it was an incredibly interesting setting. That’s about it. Any other of his movies could be used as a sleeping aid.
 
His 11-20 reads like this:
  • Battle Royale
  • Big Bad Wolves
  • Jackass: The Movie
  • School of Rock
  • The Passion of the Christ
  • The Devil’s Rejects
  • Chocolate
  • Moneyball
  • Cabin Fever
  • West Side Story
@Mike Smalling do you have the full list? Could only find the 11-20 after a glancing search.