Martin Tyler

[LeChuck]

His commentary last night was awful. So one sided and bias.

How many bloody times did he have to mention Istanbul? It's pathetic he/Sky was trying to ram this 'romantic' narrative down at every second they got. Once or twice is ok. Even a few times, but literally, every couple of minutes after going 3-0 he was on about it.

I'm quite fed up with having to listen to him commentate. Nev seems to be a little more level headed. There was one moment where Nev contested him on something (it might've been L'pools incoming players being awful), and Nev shut him down.

I genuinely used to enjoy his commentary (more in the Andy Gray days), but last couple of years, he has a strong L'pool bias. He was especially insufferable last season in the lead up to the end of the season.

Anyway, rant over.

Would love to know your guys thoughts.

 

[DJ Jeff]

Saw a few on RAWK have a go at him after the game for "being delighted we lost"

He sounded like a corpse every time Real scored. It was like a dagger in his heart. I was hoping they'd get 6 or 7 but they stopped trying in the second half, Tyler would have caught fire.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

He spent more time gushing about Ronaldo then anything else I thought (and why not?)

In short - he was fine.

 

[montpelier]

I mainly agree but apart from bias it's all cliched crap to keep the ££££ gravy train on the tracks - which is as much about constant advertising of the overall product (Best League in the World) as a commentary on the game taking place <--- which is always fantastic, even if it's 0-0 with nothing having happened for an hour.

And then there's Jamie Redknapp who does both, quite marvellously effortlessly & also hasn't got a clue. Which is a fair achievement, really. He should be melted down for glue.

 

[LeChuck]

Saw a few on RAWK have a go at him after the game for "being delighted we lost"

He sounded like a corpse every time Real scored. It was like a dagger in his heart. I was hoping they'd get 6 or 7 but they stopped trying in the second half, Tyler would have caught fire.

Exactly! Even last season, you could literally hear the pain in his voice when the wheels came off in L'pools title challenge.

Even yesterday when L'pool were just holding the ball, sterile possession in their own half, he was getting all excited.

 

[LeChuck]

I mainly agree but apart from bias it's all cliched crap to keep the ££££ gravy train on the tracks - which is as much about constant advertising of the overall product (Best League in the World) as a commentary on the game taking place <--- which is always fantastic, even if it's 0-0 with nothing having happened for an hour.

And then there's Jamie Redknapp who does both, quite marvellously effortlessly & also hasn't got a clue. Which is a fair achievement, really. He should be melted down for glue.

At least when he's on I can switch off, as there's no footy on. Martin grates me more because I have to sit and listen to his bile while watching the game.

 

[Moonred]

RAWK seem to think otherwise.

 

[Getsme]

Meh

 

[SteveJ]

I thought his commentary was a love letter to Ronaldo, mostly.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I thought his commentary was a love letter to Ronaldo, mostly.

Yup. There was a great bit where Tyler fawned over him for a bit, then tried to get Gary Neville to fawn over him too (refering to their "Manchester United days") and Gary just didn't respond...

 

[Dumbat12]

"The positional play of this player is very good". That guy annoys me at FIFA to no end.

 

[robinamicrowave]

Don't you lot start turning in to Bluemoon and RAWK with shit like this.

 

[LeChuck]

Don't you lot start turning in to Bluemoon and RAWK with shit like this.

Ok. Martin's the best.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yup. There was a great bit where Tyler fawned over him for a bit, then tried to get Gary Neville to fawn over him too (refering to their "Manchester United days") and Gary just didn't respond...

Loved the bit when he tried to defend Rodgers by saying "of course, Brendan Rodgers was working on the assumption that Suarez would still be here this season..." and Gaz interrupted him, saying "so why did he sell him?"

 

[Getsme]

Ok. Martin's the best.

It is a bit pathetic complaining about a commentator being one sided when he clearly wasn't.

 

[Getsme]

Loved the bit when he tried to defend Rodgers by saying "of course, Brendan Rodgers was working on the assumption that Suarez would still be here this season..." and Gaz interrupted him, saying "so why did he sell him?"

Unfortunately the player has more power than the Club when it comes to transfers, of course Liverpool would have wanted to keep him but it was close to impossible given the circumstances. You could ask, why didn't we keep Ronaldo.

 

[montpelier]

Loved the bit when he tried to defend Rodgers by saying "of course, Brendan Rodgers was working on the assumption that Suarez would still be here this season..." and Gaz interrupted him, saying "so why did he sell him?"

I liked that. Gary Neville was saying ''well he'd done it twice already, why does one more make any difference?'' I reckon Nev will get told off for talking about naughty things, tarnishing the reputation of the footy community or something.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Unfortunately the player has more power than the Club when it comes to transfers, of course Liverpool would have wanted to keep him but it was close to impossible given the circumstances. You could ask, why didn't we keep Ronaldo.

The point being that at no point was Fergie working on the assumption that Ronaldo would still be at United the following season.

 

[Mogget]

Do you think they have these kinds of threads over in Spain/Germany/Italy? Rival fans complaining that their commentators aren't being impartial enough when playing against foreign teams in the CL.

 

[LeChuck]

I liked that. Gary Neville was saying ''well he'd done it twice already, why does one more make any difference?'' I reckon Nev will get told off for talking about naughty things, tarnishing the reputation of the footy community or something.

Yea-loved that from Nev.

It is a bit pathetic complaining about a commentator being one sided when he clearly wasn't.

I feel he was one sided. You feel he wasn't. Move on.

 

[LeChuck]

Do you think they have these kinds of threads over in Spain/Germany/Italy? Rival fans complaining that their commentators aren't being impartial enough when playing against foreign teams in the CL.

I think the difference is the amount of money Sky is pumping into football at the moment. Other companies can't compete. You'd think with all that money being flooded in, they'd be able to get less partisan commentating.

With foreign leagues, you'd expect some partisan reporting. They're not going to get top class pundits/commentators. Especially because many of the leagues you mentioned are duopolys. You got AS and Marca in La Liga who hold a lot of influence. In Germany they have that paper called Bind(?)

There's nothing like that in the PL.

 

[Mogget]

I think the difference is the amount of money Sky is pumping into football at the moment. Other companies can't compete. You'd think with all that money being flooded in, they'd be able to get less partisan commentating.

With foreign leagues, you'd expect some partisan reporting. They're not going to get top class pundits/commentators. Especially because many of the leagues you mentioned are duopolys. You got AS and Marca in La Liga who hold a lot of influence. In Germany they have that paper called Bind(?)

There's nothing like that in the PL.

Bild.

Still, you'd expect an English speaking commentator, working in England, to prefer a Liverpool win over Real Madrid. I can understand the complaints if it's a league game but not if it's against a foreign team.

 

[Getsme]

The point being that at no point was Fergie working on the assumption that Ronaldo would still be at United the following season.

I get that, but a player can ask to leave at any time and there's not much the club can do about it. There is nothing to stop Di Maria leaving next season if he really wanted to, yes he has a contract but in the real world they mean very little. Rodgers built his team around Suarez that was his biggest mistake and why they are looking like shit this season.

 

[Getsme]

Yea-loved that from Nev.



I feel he was one sided. You feel he wasn't. Move on.

How was he one sided?
He mentioned Istanbul, of course he did Liverpool were playing in the Champions League and were losing 3-0 at half-time. How many times have we heard about 99 over the years? I just find threads like this cringeworthy.

 

[LeChuck]

Bild.

Still, you'd expect an English speaking commentator, working in England, to prefer a Liverpool win over Real Madrid. I can understand the complaints if it's a league game but not if it's against a foreign team.

I do see your point (and others who have said something similar). But the panel was Souness, Redknapp, and Carragher. By all means, show Liverpool some support/encouragement there. But going on about Istanbul every two minutes, and being gee'd up by Liverpool holding the ball for 2 minutes is really jarring, during the match.

Tbh, it's more of a effect from the run in last season. Everyone was creaming themselves wanting them to win the title etc. But I thought it would have died down by now (and it has in parts), but for me, Tyler hasn't given up.

 

[LeChuck]

How was he one sided?
He mentioned Istanbul, of course he did Liverpool were playing in the Champions League and were losing 3-0 at half-time. How many times have we heard about 99 over the years? I just find threads like this cringeworthy.

When have we heard about 99? The only time I can remember hearing about it recently in a game was when Olic scored in the last couple of minutes against us in the 09/10 season.

And I have no qualms with him mentioning Istanbul once or twice. Honestly, I don't. But it was constant.

 

[Wonder Pigeon]

Tyler doesn't have a bias for one English team over any other, he just follows the Sky narrative as is his job. When an English team is playing in Europe that narrative is the English team coming out on top. Liverpool winning the league last season would have been a great story for Sky, of course they ran with it. He's not really different to the likes of Jim Ross in that regard. It can grate when he mentions Man City beating QPR in the last minute in every game that involves Man City, QPR or last minutes, but it's hard to deny he's effective at what he does most of the time.

 

[hundred_trillion]

Every fan thinks Martin Tyler hates their club.

I guarantee if you go on Bluemoon or RAWK there'll be posts calling him a rag.

 

[Patchbeard]

To be fair, wouldn't Spanish/Italian commentators be going mental when their side scores and barely utter a word when the foreign side does?

We're so used to everything having to be correct and impartial that we seem to want commentators who just tell us some facts and what we're seeing but with no personality. I think it's fine for them to have allegiance to teams from their own country in Europe. That's clearly what the whole show was built around anyway with all the Liverpool pundits in the studio. It makes it funnier when it doesn't follow their big european night at Anfield script too.

 

[Getsme]

When have we heard about 99? The only time I can remember hearing about it recently in a game was when Olic scored in the last couple of minutes against us in the 09/10 season.

And I have no qualms with him mentioning Istanbul once or twice. Honestly, I don't. But it was constant.

When have we heard about 1999? It feels like Clive Tydlesle mentions it every time we come back from a goal or two down in Europe, the class of 92 are mentioned by commentators on a regular basis as is every other team’s achievements when playing in Europe.
Istanbul is going to be mentioned when Liverpool are playing in Europe, especially when they are 3-0 down, just like Drogbas penalty was mentioned time and time again on Tuesday in reference to the final in Munich.

Tyler was drooling over Ronaldo last night and claimed many times that Madrid were taking it easy due the El Clasico, in fact Liverpool fans are saying the opposite to you which suggests that he was in fact neutral.

 

[mckenzie79]

It was a European game, not a PL game.

All British commentators are biased towards the British teams, its the same with ITV with every game they show. Everyone remembers Andy Gray when Gerrard scored against Olympiacos years ago, when Gary Neville did that awful scream when Torres scored against Barcelona, Townsend when Arsenal beat Dortmund, its just the way it is. When we play in Europe its the same, maybe we just don't notice it as much.

Anyway, Martin Tyler is an Arsenal fan.

 

[montpelier]

Tyler doesn't have a bias for one English team over any other, he just follows the Sky narrative as is his job. When an English team is playing in Europe that narrative is the English team coming out on top. Liverpool winning the league last season would have been a great story for Sky, of course they ran with it. He's not really different to the likes of Jim Ross in that regard. It can grate when he mentions Man City beating QPR in the last minute in every game that involves Man City, QPR or last minutes, but it's hard to deny he's effective at what he does most of the time.

Yeah, you're on the same page as me (as they say). It's also the favouring of the BIG teams (and around the favoured players) that cheeses me off.

For example, BIG FC who get most decisions anyway, ''oh that's a definite penalty'' when it's dead soft. Down the other end, PLUCKY FC have the centre-forward half decapitated and Jamie Redknapp tells us it was ''accidental coming together''.

 

[Patchbeard]

Every fan thinks Martin Tyler hates their club.

I guarantee if you go on Bluemoon or RAWK there'll be posts calling him a rag.

Yeah he's just not very exciting as a commentator anymore, so bitter fans take it out on him when they lose. Needs to hang up his microphone, like Motson should've done 15 years ago.

 

[Xaviesta]

Exactly! Even last season, you could literally hear the pain in his voice when the wheels came off in L'pools title challenge.

Even yesterday when L'pool were just holding the ball, sterile possession in their own half, he was getting all excited.

Peter Drury was the same for the worldwide feed of the Premier League, where he was working with Jim Beglin, and it seemed like Peter Drury was the ex Liverpool player, not Jim Beglin.

 

[gofelx]

With foreign leagues, you'd expect some partisan reporting. They're not going to get top class pundits/commentators. Especially because many of the leagues you mentioned are duopolys. You got AS and Marca in La Liga who hold a lot of influence. In Germany they have that paper called Bind(?)

There's nothing like that in the PL.

I don't really get what you're trying to say here. In Germany and Spain there are no good commentators or pundits around?
And newspapers like Bild (equivalent to the Sun in GB) have what influence exactly?

Do you think they have these kinds of threads over in Spain/Germany/Italy? Rival fans complaining that their commentators aren't being impartial enough when playing against foreign teams in the CL.

Yeah we do. It's so pointless really.

 

[Xaviesta]

Do you think they have these kinds of threads over in Spain/Germany/Italy? Rival fans complaining that their commentators aren't being impartial enough when playing against foreign teams in the CL.

The Aussie football commentators would have you believe there's one team playing when an A-League clubs is playing in the Asian champions league. It happens, not saying I like it. During the ashes series held down under just under a year ago, David Lloyd and Michael Vaughan said that the Australian commentators barring, I'd assume, Ian Chappell an Bill Lawry, would appeal every time there was an LBW shout while Australia was bowling.

 

[Wonder Pigeon]

Yeah, you're on the same page as me (as they say). It's also the favouring of the BIG teams (and around the favoured players) that cheeses me off.

For example, BIG FC who get most decisions anyway, ''oh that's a definite penalty'' when it's dead soft. Down the other end, PLUCKY FC have the centre-forward half decapitated and Jamie Redknapp tells us it was ''accidental coming together''.

I mean even then it depends on their angle. Leicester getting a decision against United was fine because the newly promoted team were further exposing Van Gaal's slow start, so commentary backed Leicester. If say, it was the end of the season and United were on an unexpected title push and were got an iffy decision against the same team, they'd back the "title charge" story.

 

[montpelier]

I mean even then it depends on their angle. Leicester getting a decision against United was fine because the newly promoted team were further exposing Van Gaal's slow start, so commentary backed Leicester. If say, it was the end of the season and United were on an unexpected title push and were got an iffy decision against the same team, they'd back the "title charge" story.

Yeah that's true, they do love 'an angle' and ABU ing is one of 'em, I suppose. The Leicester refereeing never got a mention.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I thought he was fine last night, didn't really notice anything that bad.

He's blatantly an Arsenal fan though.

 

[SteveJ]

He's blatantly an Arsenal fan though.

Maybe that's why he sounds depressed.