Yes. Quite agree.
Martyn Pert - new man in the training staff
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The buck stops with the tea lady.People are moaning about the backroad staff we hire now?
Probably surprising but a new manager will always bring some staff with him.
Yeah with a champions league football team. That whole place needs a rebuild. He’s overstayed his welcome.
Fine so long as we are not stupid enough to approve Poch as manager. Happy to back Ole for now but if we do eventually make a change please anyone but Poch, he would be our Houllier, close but no cigar until eventually his team realizes he is not all that as is happening at Spurs right now.
Re read what I wrote.
I didn't say he'd worked with Rodgers, he spent time with him according to the article.
Agree with all the above. Guess my anger is towards Ed in terms of having proper planning from above. Basically, Ole is doing the job of what a DoF/TD would be doing but at the same time, Ole is also having to get results on the field.
I'm just fed up of Ed's negligence.
What staff do they bring with them?
Well now I’m confused. I thought we wanted a rebuild. You’re talking like you want to win the league.
I do want a rebuild but once it is done I do want to actually win stuff too, don't believe Poch is the man for that, not sure of Ole either but willing to let him continue until he has had more than one window to turn things around.
Okay fair enough. But we both know he’s going to fail and more Windows might bring in new players but why do you assume it’s not going to bring in the new batch of deadwood.
I mean it’s already starting with the current batch. Rashford; Lingard; Lindelof; Shaw. By the time he is finished they’ll be a longer list which will eventually include your flavours of the month.
None of those 4 were signed on his watch and besides Lingard I wouldn't say they were deadwood although Rashford is underachieving right now. His own signings are doing just fine and when you say we both know he is going to fail we actually know no such thing. We have opinions but his success or failure won't be decided until his time here is up and whilst I am more bullish than you on his prospects only time will really tell. The opening few weeks have been frustrating this year but we have certainly not had the run of the green so far and could easily be top 4 but for missed penalties. The luck argument holds up after 7 games, after 38 it runs out as over a season it will balance out typically and we will then see where we are. Mid season changes rarely are a good idea, let him have the year and re-assess, if its working push forward, if it is not then thank him for his time and give the new man a full summer to recruit and implement his style of play.
Aye desperate times we're stooping so low. Back in the day we were plucking coaches from the heights of Stockport County, Blackpool, Al-Saad, Al-Ittihad, Qatar u18, NEC Nijmegen academy, South Africa, UAE, and Nagoya Grampus Eight. That is proper pedigree and the type of experience we need. This lad Pert has spent years at Watford, Fulham, Coventry, and Cardiff City. No Qatar u18s, I'll tell you that.
Pert
I thought I was the only one making the connectionPert
We just need "OMG stop threatin' me 4eva" to handle the club's P.RI thought I was the only one making the connection
Since 2011 he's been at FC Baniyas, Bahrain, Cardiff (under solskjaer for 4 games and probably where this came from) and 4 years in the MLS. Not sure what point you make but that's hardly pedigree.
I think its fair to say they're not in the upper echelons of the game, would he not be working somewhere else if he was any good?
He worked under solskjaer when he was at Cardiff. How many backroom staff would Ole know from him time managing in England.
He has no business getting an interview let alone the job
I agree. It isn't the pedigree that comes with Qatar u18s that we're desperately needing at the moment like in the past.
I think you misread the post you answered to. Not all staff is turned over with a change of manager.
How very snobbish, i'm sure the Head of Resourcing @ Old Trafford know what they are doing.
Don't worry. This guy with his international experience will make a difference in no time.
He won’t be in a job long at this rate
In the past we had the great man at the wheel and could get away with back room staff from Timbuktu. Now we have such a inexperienced coaching staff that wouldn't look out of place at Championship level.
It's understandable why so many would question the credentials of someone like Pert.
It's understandable why so many would question the credentials of someone like Pert.
Hope he's perticularly good at performing miracles.
Rubbish, most knocking the appointment haven't a Scooby Doo what the guy is actually going to be doing.
It's just another opportunity to have a pop at the club they say they support.
I know you're blind in your support for the club which is fine by me. But if you haven't noticed we've been making bad judgement calls for nigh on 7 years regards our Coaching staff and people are more than within their rights to question the credentials of someone who was sacked at Vancouver Whitecaps and was a waterboy for Shaquile O'Neal.
Sky had an atricle about him. Interesting bit for me:
https://www.skysports.com/football/...book-who-is-united8217s-new-coach-martyn-pert
https://www.skysports.com/football/...book-who-is-united8217s-new-coach-martyn-pert
Never heard of him. He's shit.
Good to know he's got integrity.
I find that funny too. Only the Caf.
Glad we're getting some god damn tegridy back into the club.
The picture of Ole laughing that they've used for the article looks likes it's a thousand years ago
I hope this guy is used to working with people who are made of glass, it sounds an interesting move. I also think some of the recovery rates are starting to become questionable, hopefully he can look into this as well. While a lot of our problems on the pitch are obviously due to questionable coaching, I'd like to see someone who could work with the players mentally, both for wanting to come back from injury and also on the pitch to try and make them a bit tougher, I think when we concede a goal everything goes to pieces, while a lot of that is coaching I'd say it is also due to the mentality of the players, yes we know a lot of them are not great but if we could sort their mentality out a bit we might be a little better off.
It also says this in the article
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As for the ongoing debate about the potential for a director of football or technical director role at Old Trafford, Manchester United are still examining options but are reluctant to follow the European model of an all-powerful sporting director who sits between the manager and the boardroom.
It is more likely that if United do plump for something or someone new, that person will work alongside existing personnel at the club but there is no timescale on when, or even if, an appointment might be made."
Concerning that if we do finally get one the DOF will be working alongside existing personnel. Obviously that's fine if Ed stays but is in a purely corporate role/ head of sponsorship, I have no problem with him sticking to just that, However if the DOF reports to him as several people on here speculate he will it could restrict them properly carrying out their role. Again it sounds like we dont want to move with the times so itll be irrelevant as we arent getting one.
What is your experience to pass comment on his credentials? I'm curious
Err..... Common sense? If someone has to put he had a 3 hour chat with Bielsa and a cup of coffee with Baresi and learnt so much from them in an article then something tells me he's not the man for the job but as the club is full of feckwits from top to bottom then I suppose another one won't make any difference. How many more "experts" are the club going to hire to try and cover for Oles deficiencies? It would just be better getting rid of the lot of them because there isn't one of them deserves to be there.
Jumpers for goalposts? Back to the good old days! Get rid of them all and let 'Rashy' and PP run training. Boom
If you think that Ed is doing a good job and that Ole should be given 3 years then there's no point discussing this further. Personally I think Ole is no where good enough, his coaching team is no where good enough, Ed is no where good enough and the Glazers are parasites. In any other football club or even in life in general if you're not good enough you get booted into touch. Hard for the Glazers since they're the owners but that's a cross we have to bear.
I'd be interested to know if you think there is someone at the club who knows what they're doing and has earned the post he's in.
Soz didn't get notification for some reason.
By being blind in my support you're not suggesting I agree with everything the club do are you? If you are i'm guessing you missed my numerous posts criticising the club for their treatment of David Moyes and LvG, my disgust at Jose Mourinho being anywhere near the club, and the way we pander to Paul 'i'm doing you a favour' Pogba.
And on Pert he's not a football coach so where he has worked previously shouldn't matter, he's a strength and conditioning specialist who got off his backside to improve himself, i'd rather have that than somebody who stayed local, did all his exams, got his qualifications but has the personality of a stamp - and who is to say what he learned in Canada isn't what got him the gig over other interviewed candidates.