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Let's calm down a bit. We have had too many one-season wonders in the past.
Januzaj sprung to mind. Even a more mature player like Michu used to be hyped up pretty much, only to fade to nothing...
Tbh I did have high hope for Januzaj but also a strong doubt as well. Because I didn't see a world beater in him. He didn't have anything amazing tbh. All about him was a bit here and there, but nothing amazing at all. I even rated Welbeck higher than him. Still I did think he could become a good player though.

Regarding Mason, he's just special. Have you seen any player that could strike a ball the way he did, with that tiny backlift, with that power, with that accuracy? All that naturally? Yes, a few. But equally with two foot ? Even much fewer. And all of them are or were world beater. This kid is going places and probably one day, Ballon d'Or winner or at least a contender. That's my opinion of him.
 

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Let's calm down a bit. We have had too many one-season wonders in the past.
Januzaj sprung to mind. Even a more mature player like Michu used to be hyped up pretty much, only to fade to nothing...
The difference is you can actually see what he has.. he has real potential.

He absolutely ruined the u23, u18 and what not.

This lad has real quality, can see him becoming WC.
 

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First 50 games for club. :-

Mason - 1815 mins - 15 goals - 2 assists
Mbappe - 1810 mins - 16 goals - 10 assists

Assists aside, Mason is more or less neck and neck with Mbappe in terms of goals per minutes.
 

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The difference is you can actually see what he has.. he has real potential.

He absolutely ruined the u23, u18 and what not.

This lad has real quality, can see him becoming WC.
The difference isn't the quality, januzaj was running almost a one man show that season.

Hopefully the difference is attitude.

We have had too many young players bossing the youth levels who have faded away.
Will keane, james wilson(both due to injuries i know its unfair), januzaj, daehli etc.
Just hope he can learn from rashford, martial and bruno that hard work is necessary at this level.
 
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First 50 games for club. :-

Mason - 1815 mins - 15 goals - 2 assists
Mbappe - 1810 mins - 16 goals - 10 assists

Assists aside, Mason is more or less neck and neck with Mbappe in terms of goals per minutes.
While Mason playing for a less dominating Team, and harder League.
 

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First 50 games for club. :-

Mason - 1815 mins - 15 goals - 2 assists
Mbappe - 1810 mins - 16 goals - 10 assists

Assists aside, Mason is more or less neck and neck with Mbappe in terms of goals per minutes.
This reminds of the Mbappe vs Rashford thread :lol: who's gonna make it this time!
 

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Why are we looking at first 50 games, rather than say age? Mbappe scored 26 goals (2650 minutes) in his age 17/18 season. Greenwood has 17 goals in 2335 minutes in his age 17/18 season.

At the same time, I believe Greenwood should be credited with 18 goals. He played against a League One side (Doncaster) in the EFL cup and scored a goal. That wasn't an u23 side he went up against. United were the club side restricted to only using u23 players. If anything, United were handicapped as he was up against men.

Meanwhile, a League Cup counts as a legit first team goal when United faced Rochdale, another League One side that isn't as good as Doncaster in League One.

I get why it's not counted officially, but from the standpoint of evaluating a talent, I don't see what makes that goal any less of an indicator of his goal scoring ability than a legit goal in the League Cup against Rochdale.

And of course, if you guys want to knock yourselves out comparing him to Mbappe, it's true that Greenwood faces harder competition in the PL under a worse side (United compared to Monaco that season), but it's also true that Mbappe scored 4 against Dortmund, and City.
 

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Why are we looking at first 50 games, rather than say age? Mbappe scored 26 goals (2650 minutes) in his age 17/18 season. Greenwood has 17 goals in 2335 minutes in his age 17/18 season.

At the same time, I believe Greenwood should be credited with 18 goals. He played against a League One side (Doncaster) in the EFL cup and scored a goal. That wasn't an u23 side he went up against. United were the club side restricted to only using u23 players. If anything, United were handicapped as he was up against men.

Meanwhile, a League Cup counts as a legit first team goal when United faced Rochdale, another League One side that isn't as good as Doncaster in League One.

I get why it's not counted officially, but from the standpoint of evaluating a talent, I don't see what makes that goal any less of an indicator of his goal scoring ability than a legit goal in the League Cup against Rochdale.
Exactly, goals per minutes played is a fair comparison. There are some people who just want to knock the boy just because he is clearly better than their favourite players. Some people are so petty its laughable. Greenwood is a superstar whether one likes it or not. I would say he is the only positive thing to have happened at United since Fergie left.
 

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Yeah, always good to add more quality players. I dont see any problem for Greenwood, Martial, Rashford if sign Sancho. We will play close to 50 games a season, they will get plenty of mins and also getting proper rest means they will play to their maximum level in most games.
Sure there would no problem for us to have more quality on bench. It’s only problems for the players with ambition though. It’s the very same reason why Thiago wants to leave Barca back then, even he is among the 4 midfielder players competing for 3 spot in starting line up. In fact, if Thiago willing to wait a few more years we will be automatic first choice anyway, as Xavi and Inesta are much older and can’t play forever. For greenwood case though, he or someone else, may have to wait abit longer.
 

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Sure there would no problem for us to have more quality on bench. It’s only problems for the players with ambition though. It’s the very same reason why Thiago wants to leave Barca back then, even he is among the 4 midfielder players competing for 3 spot in starting line up. In fact, if Thiago willing to wait a few more years we will be automatic first choice anyway, as Xavi and Inesta are much older and can’t play forever. For greenwood case though, he or someone else, may have to wait abit longer.
Thiago left as he didn't get enough chances. It's not like we have GOAT attacking 3 like Thaigo had to compete with.

Thiago had a clause where he had to play 60% of mins, else his release clause would be around 20 million, Barca just fecked it up. We won't have same issue.

Barca had Messi Neymar Suarez and Pedro when they won Treble. Last season they had Messi, Suarez, Coutinho, Dembele.

Also all the 4 players can play in any attacking position, so they will get plenty of chances. If we are talking about pure strikers then yes it would be a problem as most teams play with only one striker.
 

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First 50 games for club. :-

Mason - 1815 mins - 15 goals - 2 assists
Mbappe - 1810 mins - 16 goals - 10 assists

Assists aside, Mason is more or less neck and neck with Mbappe in terms of goals per minutes.
Didn't Mason score his 17th goal of the season on his 50th game?
 

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Thiago left as he didn't get enough chances. It's not like we have GOAT attacking 3 like Thaigo had to compete with.

Thiago had a clause where he had to play 60% of mins, else his release clause would be around 20 million, Barca just fecked it up. We won't have same issue.

Barca had Messi Neymar Suarez and Pedro when they won Treble. Last season they had Messi, Suarez, Coutinho, Dembele.

Also all the 4 players can play in any attacking position, so they will get plenty of chances. If we are talking about pure strikers then yes it would be a problem as most teams play with only one striker.
The thing is, its common to have 3 world class/top class attacker, plus a good one who doesn't mind sitting on the bench at all. Or 3 world class/top class attacker, with a young and hungry one not mind sitting on the bench as he is young and learning anyway, he knows his time would come.

For us, we have 4 equally young and hungry and talented player at the same time. There is another decade of football career ahead of all of them, and one of them would definitely feel left out if not starting enough games.
 
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The thing is, its common to have 3 world class/top class attacker, plus a good one who doesn't mind sitting on the bench at all. Or 3 world class/top class attacker, with a young and hungry one not mind sitting on the bench as he is young and learning anyway, he knows his time would come.

For us, we have 4 equally young and hungry and talented player at the same time. There is another decade of football career ahead of all of them, and one of them would definitely feel left out if not starting enough games.
Unless player is Messi, Ronaldo no one would feel left out when they are rotated. Players like B.Silva doesn't start every game, it all depends on how we progress.
 

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As much as I liked him, Januzaj was a one trick pony, who got figured out by opposition. And that was the end of it.

With greenwood he already has unpredictability in his game due to being two footed. But he will have to face more challenges next season with defenders paying him more respect. I can already see this place calling him overhyped, one season wonder etc., as they did with Rashford.
 

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As much as I liked him, Januzaj was a one trick pony, who got figured out by opposition. And that was the end of it.
What was Januzaj's one trick then?

I might be misremembering, but Januzaj looked like a special talent to me in the 13/14 season. I recall him playing so well that in several games when we needed a goal at the end, his teammates were deferring responsibility to him - giving him the ball and hoping he would be the one to make something happen

I'm sure we were overhyping his potential somewhat due to to him being a rare positive in a disastrous season, but I do feel there's some revisionism regarding Januzaj. I'm inclined to believe the reports suggesting that his failure to kick on was due to his attitude. Fortunately, Mason's attitude seems good so I doubt he'll end up like Januzaj.
 
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What was Januzaj's one trick then?

I might be misremembering, but Januzaj looked like a special talent to me in the 13/14 season. I recall him playing so well that in several games when we needed a goal at the end, his teammates were deferring responsibility to him - giving him the ball and hoping he would be the one to make something happen

I'm sure we were overhyping his potential somewhat due to to him being a rare positive in a disastrous season, but I do feel there's some revisionism regarding Januzaj. I'm inclined to believe the reports suggesting that his failure to kick on was due to his attitude. Fortunately, Mason's attitude seems good so I doubt he'll end up like Januzaj.
Januzaj had a dribbling skill involving a turn/pirouette similar to Kaka ( see first minute of this ) . But once defenders got wise, he lost anyway of getting past them. That's what I remember anyway.
 

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Yeah let's not compare him to Mbappe. Greenwood is fantastic and has it in him to be the best striker around and a record breaker in terms of premier league goals for club and league, but I think Mbappe is a regular Ballon D'Or finalist level of potential which I don't think Greenwood is.
 

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Yeah let's not compare him to Mbappe. Greenwood is fantastic and has it in him to be the best striker around and a record breaker in terms of premier league goals for club and league, but I think Mbappe is a regular Ballon D'Or finalist level of potential which I don't think Greenwood is.
I really think Greenwood could be that level but it’s perhaps a little too early to tell. He’s a better pure finisher than Mbappe.
 

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I really think Greenwood could be that level but it’s perhaps a little too early to tell. He’s a better pure finisher than Mbappe.
Better finisher but not the raw explosiveness that Mbappe has. Mbappe also from day took a liking to the big games and big moments. Greenwood hasn't really made an impact in bigger games so far, which is fine of course, just not Mbappe level of teenager.
 

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Better finisher but not the raw explosiveness that Mbappe has. Mbappe also from day took a liking to the big games and big moments. Greenwood hasn't really made an impact in bigger games so far, which is fine of course, just not Mbappe level of teenager.
Thing is Mbappe burst into the scene as more of a finished product due in part to his explosive physicality. Greenwood in comparison started the campaign with a kids body and only now is beginning to fill into the frame of a man and I’d expect he will only get stronger, faster and more explosive from here. Greenwood has already showcased a sample of his finishing but from seeing him in the youth teams there is so much more to come and if he continues to grow and adapt we are looking at a talent right up in the Mbappe range. So much more to come...
 

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Greenwood is a extremely promising talent but Mbappe ,well, he's the closest player I've seen who plays like a young Ronaldo.
He's less flashy,to some degree, but they're ridiculously similar.
 

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What was Januzaj's one trick then?

I might be misremembering, but Januzaj looked like a special talent to me in the 13/14 season. I recall him playing so well that in several games when we needed a goal at the end, his teammates were deferring responsibility to him - giving him the ball and hoping he would be the one to make something happen

I'm sure we were overhyping his potential somewhat due to to him being a rare positive in a disastrous season, but I do feel there's some revisionism regarding Januzaj. I'm inclined to believe the reports suggesting that his failure to kick on was due to his attitude. Fortunately, Mason's attitude seems good so I doubt he'll end up like Januzaj.
Greenwood's chief quality is his finishing and range of finishing ( similar to Kane), which already guarantee's him success in my opinion, but he has the other features in his game that make him a surefire future star, things that even Martial or Rashford don't have. His ability to beat the press with his agility and balance, his good decision making and on ball/off ball intelligence. He plays well with the team and works adequately defensively. He has good enough dribbling ability to create space for himself, which means that he doesn't have to wait for others to create chances. He has good strength and balance on the ball, so doesn't get powered off it as easily as some of his young contemporaries. He also has good technique, which helps him get out of tough situations in a similar way to Fernandes. For example, he can lob the ball over the on rushing player when he sees that the space is too tight around him, a quality which only top players can use. He is also decent at passing and anticipating a pass. When you combine all of these features and understand that maturation will only mean improvements in most of these elements of his game and confidence through experience will only improve his ability to deal with tough situations, it is quite clearly that, barring a serious injury, he has a clearer path to stardom than the majority of young players we've seen in a similar position.
 

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What was Januzaj's one trick then?

I might be misremembering, but Januzaj looked like a special talent to me in the 13/14 season. I recall him playing so well that in several games when we needed a goal at the end, his teammates were deferring responsibility to him - giving him the ball and hoping he would be the one to make something happen

I'm sure we were overhyping his potential somewhat due to to him being a rare positive in a disastrous season, but I do feel there's some revisionism regarding Januzaj. I'm inclined to believe the reports suggesting that his failure to kick on was due to his attitude. Fortunately, Mason's attitude seems good so I doubt he'll end up like Januzaj.
Januzaj's game wasn't based around end product initially. His job was to make things tick. Look at Zidane or Iniesta's stats. Nothing otherworldly, yet had an immense impact on matches. That's what people were hoping with him. Super lofty goals, but Januzaj in the youth teams was that kind of player. However, his decision making deteriorated with more time and when left on the wing became more about trying to go past players. Those kind of players need to put up end product. TBF, his dribbling has actually improved to a good level compared to his time at United, but like I said, if his decision making isn't all that great, you need end product. He doesn't have that.

I always think back to the u21 final against Spurs (w/Harry Kane) and Januzaj ran that game as an 18 year old by just acting like a target man and stringing the play together. Didn't need to score, yet was the best player on the pitch that day to me.


Greenwood has yet to show his vision. He has a final ball in him that he'll show more as he ages. That was something I noticed was impressive when he first played for the u18s. Nice weight to it and on target. That's something Martial doesn't have for example, and I'm not sure Mbappe has that. Martial and Mbappe are better dribblers though.

What's frightening is that Greenwood as of right now has not shown himself the ability to give himself a lot of scoring chances. Most of his goals are just straight up lethal finishing. If he can add those easy goals to his game (something Rashford and Mbappe do), and you combine that with his current finishing ability, I think he can become the best goal scorer around.
 
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But he will have to face more challenges next season with defenders paying him more respect. I can already see this place calling him overhyped, one season wonder etc., as they did with TRashford.
Hope not but I've already a good name just in case. Deadwood.
 

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I don't think we should get carried away with Greenwood. Let the kid enjoy another season of PL football, and then start judging him.
 

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4th longest pages, was expecting him to be top 2 since he's one of the best exciting new player this season. Shouldn't be behind Lingard for instance but then usually negatives posts garner more replies so not too unusual.
 
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Another big contribution from Greenwood today: pressuring the mistake out of Leicester that led to our penalty. Lots of people like to say stuff like when he doesn't score you don't see him. Saw him today though didn't we!
 

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Starting to see more from Greenwood. You saw he almost had 2 thru balls create chances. You will see more of that next season. I would bet on him getting 10-15 assists next year.
 
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His goal against West Ham pretty much secured top 4. He’s made a massive contribution to where we’ve finished, should be proud of himself given his age.
 

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My MOTM,though it wasn't a great performance but he pulled off some decent,and occasionally slightly over-hit,forward passes.
Made the goal.
 

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I wouldn't have taken him off personally, thought he did very well today. Outstanding debut season.
 
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