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ivaldo

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If Greenwood has to come in for Rashford and Martial and does not hit the ground running it becomes difficult for everyone, that’s my point. We have all seen Martial’s and Rashford’s fluctuations in terms of form.
It becomes difficult for everyone irrespective of who comes in. Like Rashford, he will be given time to begin with, and if anyone will get the sharp end of it it will be Ole and Woodward for not reinforcing. As it happens, he's trusted in youth, as is so often requested by our fanbase, and so he needs to give time to youth over senior players for that to happen.
 

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It becomes difficult for everyone irrespective of who comes in. Like Rashford, he will be given time to begin with, and if anyone will get the sharp out it will be Ole and Woodward for not reinforcing. As it happens, he's trusted in youth, as is so often requested by our fanbase, and so he needs to give time to youth over senior players. You can't have it both ways.
You can have a balance. Playing youth does not mean senior players don't have to play. In fact it probably helps the youth playing with senior players.
 

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Mourinho wouldn't even have Martial starting through the middle and wouldn't have promoted Mason IMO. He's also a cnut in comparison to a club legend like Ole.
I'm firmly anti-José but he did bring a 16 year old Greenwood on tour and gave him decent minutes.
 

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Then he went on to say in no uncertain terms that none of the youth players (Mason included) would be a part of ‘his’ team when the season started.
Tbf he was 16 at the time :lol: I'm firmly against Mourinho's preference for experience and mistake-averse football, love Ole's faith in our youth now. Really hoping Greenwood and Gomes get the minutes they deserve this season.
 

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I would be pretty disappointed if Ole does not give him significant minutes tomorrow. He is going to make united great again.
Ole's so good with the media. Doesn't want to compare Rashford and Martial because theyre the 2 main men now.
 

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Tbf he was 16 at the time :lol: I'm firmly against Mourinho's preference for experience and mistake-averse football, love Ole's faith in our youth now. Really hoping Greenwood and Gomes get the minutes they deserve this season.
Yeah, I know that. Just don’t think any cred should go to that man for doing something he seemingly had no other choice than to do. ;)
 

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You can have a balance. Playing youth does not mean senior players don't have to play. In fact it probably helps the youth playing with senior players.
Martial and Rashford are the senior players. 6 years in first team football and over 30 caps for the national side respectively dictate that.
 

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Martial and Rashford are the senior players. 6 years in first team football and over 30 caps for the national side respectively dictate that.
They are not proven goalscorers. If they are the senior players it’s a problem.
 

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Could surprise many this season. Talent is there, no doubt. Could be a regular come Christmas.
 

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They are not proven goalscorers. If they are the senior players it’s a problem.
It’s not a case of ‘if.’ Ole clearly has seen enough of them to have confidence in their ability to score. Rashford has demonstrated this by his impressive goal tally against the top sides. Martial has consistently had a very high conversion rate. It’s time we stop treating them like kids, no?
 

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I just watched the interview and context really does matter. He clearly answered that question to avoid answering the journalist question.

There is really nothing to it. Greenwood might be a more natural finisher than Martial or not but I wouldn't take anything from this particular answer given his aim was to avoid the journalist question.
 

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They are not proven goalscorers. If they are the senior players it’s a problem.
They are not proven goalscorers as they were wingers playing around 50% of total mins. This is the first season where they will have the responsibilities of a senior player and manager who trusts them to start them week in week out (for Martial, Van Gaal did and he scored around 17 goals playing as CF + LW)
 

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I don't think so, I think he wanted to give a youth player some positive reinforcement while giving the other two some friendly competition to raise their game.

We all know that those two have to be more clinical this season if we're going to get a top 4 spot.
Martial's problem has never been about being clinical. Like mentioned already he has the best finishing ratio in the league. Being clinical isn't one of his issues

Martial made his first team debut 6 years ago. Equally, Rashford has been a mainstay in the side for several years, having already got over 30 caps for England. These aren’t kids anymore. They know the pressures of playing for Manchester United and for their national sides. This isn’t being thrust upon them.

Ole said that Greenwood’s finishing was better than the two aforementioned players, that’s it. How can that we considered undue pressure?
No he didn't :lol:

Edit: Nvm I think you mean his senior professional debut and not his United debut.
 
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They are not proven goalscorers as they were wingers playing around 50% of total mins. This is the first season where they will have the responsibilities of a senior player and manager who trusts them to start them week in week out (for Martial, Van Gaal did and he scored around 17 goals playing as CF + LW)
Ok but it is still a big risk to have them as the primary goal scorers with a 17 year old as the backup. The pressure will come after 2 bad games. That’s why I said I would not blame Martial or Rashford if they don’t quite cut it yet.
 

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Martial's problem has never been about being clinical. Like mentioned already he has the best finishing ratio in the league. Being clinical isn't one of his issues


No he didn't :lol:
Martial made his debut in 2013.
 

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Martial's problem has never been about being clinical. Like mentioned already he has the best finishing ratio in the league. Being clinical isn't one of his issues


No he didn't :lol:
He did, just not for us. He came from Monaco, member?
 

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Ok but it is still a big risk to have them as the primary goal scorers with a 17 year old as the backup. The pressure will come after 2 bad games. That’s why I said I would not blame Martial or Rashford if they don’t quite cut it yet.
It's a risk but it's a risk we have to take. If not these young players will never get chance (I mean Rashford and Martial).

Also I think if Rashford or Martial is injured/rested then other one will play as 9. Greenwood will be 18 in 2 months, many players were trusted at that age to play regular football. So as a backup I don't think it's a problem.
 

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It's a risk but it's a risk we have to take. If not these young players will never get chance (I mean Rashford and Martial).

Also I think if Rashford or Martial is injured/rested then other one will play as 9. Greenwood will be 18 in 2 months, many players were trusted at that age to play regular football. So as a backup I don't think it's a problem.
I don't think Greenwood being 18 soon is a problem. It’s just that he is backup to players who are not proven goal scorers in the first place. For example Rashford’s decision making is still erratic. I don’t associate erratic decision making with a senior player.
 

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I don't think Greenwood being 18 soon is a problem. It’s just that he is backup to players who are not proven goal scorers in the first place. For example Rashford’s decision making is still erratic. I don’t associate erratic decision making with a senior player.
It's the style of play, he plays at 100 mph and rushes into things. For example, players like Nani were erratic as that was his play style.

There are many senior players who have erratic decision making. Not trying to be funny here but Perisic is 30 and his decision making was erratic too.
 

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It's the style of play, he plays at 100 mph and rushes into things. For example, players like Nani were erratic as that was his play style.

There are many senior players who have erratic decision making. Not trying to be funny here but Perisic is 30 and his decision making was erratic too.
Rashford’s finishing is also erratic. Martial needs to keep up his work rate for a whole season which is also a worry.
 

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I just watched the interview and context really does matter. He clearly answered that question to avoid answering the journalist question.

There is really nothing to it. Greenwood might be a more natural finisher than Martial or not but I wouldn't take anything from this particular answer given his aim was to avoid the journalist question.
He said because he believes it (and to be a little bit playful). Why would he purposely overhype a 17 year old??

Mason is the real deal. People need to relax and stop second guessing it. He will do very well.

Rashford and Martial will also thrive on having so much belief placed in them this season. Martial especially. He needs to feel wanted.

It's going to be fun to watch the 3 of them this season.
 

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Martial's problem has never been about being clinical. Like mentioned already he has the best finishing ratio in the league. Being clinical isn't one of his issues


No he didn't :lol:

Edit: Nvm I think you mean his senior professional debut and not his United debut.
I agree with you. Consistency and application are his issues. The only thing stopping him from being a 20+ goal a season striker is himself.
 

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I get the feeling Ole meant that Mason gets into better positions so that he can score the easy goals that Martial & Rashford don't tend to do since he's been talking a lot about how the 2 of them need to improve their movement in the box & score more scrappy goals. He didn't say that Mason is already a better goalscorer than them which is what some people seem to be taking from it.
 

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I get the feeling Ole meant that Mason gets into better positions so that he can score the easy goals that Martial & Rashford don't tend to do since he's been talking a lot about how the 2 of them need to improve their movement in the box & score more scrappy goals. He didn't say that Mason is already a better goalscorer than them which is what some people seem to be taking from it.
He said ‘natural finisher’ its 100% true he miles better than both of them in that regard. Different matter if he can do it under the pressure of high level senior football.
 

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Asking a lot for him to do much generally, but certainly so v Wolves away in a couple of mins.
 
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