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Rashford played most of his underage football on the wing.

Greenwood has done a great job on the wing but he is wasted there.
Greenwood also played loads of underage football on the wing.
 

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I think there are issues between Rashford and Greenwood not getting on as they both want to play as the central striker. All the vibes over the last year or so point to that IMO. Rashford is best suited as a wide forward and I hope he accepts that in the long run.
 

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I think there are issues between Rashford and Greenwood not getting on as they both want to play as the central striker. All the vibes over the last year or so point to that IMO. Rashford is best suited as a wide forward and I hope he accepts that in the long run.
Rashford has said he doesnt want to play as a central striker plenty of times
 

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I think there are issues between Rashford and Greenwood not getting on as they both want to play as the central striker. All the vibes over the last year or so point to that IMO. Rashford is best suited as a wide forward and I hope he accepts that in the long run.
Where's the white text?
 

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There will be one day soon where Greenwood scores 4/5 in a game and we'd all be thinking it's normal
 

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It seems more like he’s asked to say that publicly because the reality is the opposite.
Even for England and when Greenwood wasnt even in the picture? Sure
 

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It seems more like he’s asked to say that publicly because the reality is the opposite.
'reality'.

So what are these vibes you are talking about? Because by and large he's generally looked much happier playing out on the left where he gets space to turn and run at people, compared to striker where (other than today) he's generally struggled every time he's played there the last couple of years.
 

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Who has he banged now?
 

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Squad is so thin. We really cant afford to be having to play James. Concerning.

You would have to think if Mason had played today the game would have been wrapped up much sooner.
 

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I've heard a rumour Greenwood and Williams were left out because they've been living it up too much.

Maybe the money and fame is getting too these kids too much too soon.
 

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I've heard a rumour Greenwood and Williams were left out because they've been living it up too much.

Maybe the money and fame is getting too these kids too much too soon.
Considering what happened in Iceland the last thing we want to be doing is spreading rumours about Greenwood, the media latches onto things like that.
 

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I've heard a rumour Greenwood and Williams were left out because they've been living it up too much.

Maybe the money and fame is getting too these kids too much too soon.
It being rumor aside, it also wouldn't be a surprise were it true.

If Flubwad and Sludge had half a clue, base wage for anyone 18-21 would be capped at around 20k. Williams is on what, 60k? Greenwood got 25k then 40k within what, four months?

Dumbasses still treating players like commodities and not like developing human beings, all while being dragged around by agents instead of establishing a wage structure/policy and using it proactively as leverage.
 

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I've heard a rumour Greenwood and Williams were left out because they've been living it up too much.

Maybe the money and fame is getting too these kids too much too soon.
Sorry but it's load of bs. Greenwood had a knock and Williams simply didn't make the 18, since we have Telles now.
 

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Someone said Greenwood injured his toes, while OGS said he wasn't fit enough so he left out from squad.
 

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I've heard a rumour Greenwood and Williams were left out because they've been living it up too much.

Maybe the money and fame is getting too these kids too much too soon.
Or maybe it's utter nonsense like most rumours !
 

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I do think if he played today the game would have been over sooner. We had plenty of ball around the Newcastle box which is where he excels.
 

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I do think if he played today the game would have been over sooner. We had plenty of ball around the Newcastle box which is where he excels.
This. We were the better team in that match, we created lot of chances i think we had 25 plus shots, their keeper was fantastic, the goal we conceded was unlucky. If it was Greenwood instead of James, it would have been over earlier, hope he’s fit again next week.
 

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What does that even mean? Wasn't fit to play? If he's injured just say he's injured otherwise there's something else obviously going on
Are you a journalist from the Sun Newspaper by any chance?

Do you also think that there is something else going on when Pogba starts from the bench?

Why didn't Telles play? Obviously something is going on.
 

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Are you a journalist from the Sun Newspaper by any chance?

Do you also think that there is something else going on when Pogba starts from the bench?

Why didn't Telles play? Obviously something is going on.
Quite obviously not the same given Pogba was on the bench and Greenwood wasn't even in the squad. Maybe it's you who should be working for the Sun given you can't see the difference
 

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Well that's what happens when you say he wasn't fit to play, again what does that even mean? If he's injured just say he's injured
I think it's implied when he says "we hope he recovers quickly." Sounds like it was a light one, that's why he was probably hesitant to call it an "injury" and have the media going crazy.
 

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It being rumor aside, it also wouldn't be a surprise were it true.

If Flubwad and Sludge had half a clue, base wage for anyone 18-21 would be capped at around 20k. Williams is on what, 60k? Greenwood got 25k then 40k within what, four months?

Dumbasses still treating players like commodities and not like developing human beings, all while being dragged around by agents instead of establishing a wage structure/policy and using it proactively as leverage.
Of course, you are the one that has a clue but the club don’t. In what planet does Greenwood get paid £20k a week? For the next two years no less! I guess if you had replaced ‘Flubwad and Sludge’ you’d have offered Sancho £20k a week too this summer?
 

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It being rumor aside, it also wouldn't be a surprise were it true.

If Flubwad and Sludge had half a clue, base wage for anyone 18-21 would be capped at around 20k. Williams is on what, 60k? Greenwood got 25k then 40k within what, four months?

Dumbasses still treating players like commodities and not like developing human beings, all while being dragged around by agents instead of establishing a wage structure/policy and using it proactively as leverage.
If you capped salaries at 20k then talented young players would rightly leave to any of the many, many, many clubs who would pay them more. It would be (and I don't say this lightly) one of the single most stupid decisions the club would ever take.
 

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Of course, you are the one that has a clue but the club don’t. In what planet does Greenwood get paid £20k a week? For the next two years no less! I guess if you had replaced ‘Flubwad and Sludge’ you’d have offered Sancho £20k a week too this summer?
I can't do laughing smilies but damn.

If you capped salaries at 20k then talented young players would rightly leave to any of the many, many, many clubs who would pay them more. It would be (and I don't say this lightly) one of the single most stupid decisions the club would ever take.
Yeah, you're probably right. Two kids who'd bleed for the club. Good idea to offer them over the odds to keep 'em happy.

SAF shouldn't have kept such a tight wage structure for so long. Damn thing held us back for decades.

Wait, what? Those players would know that when they hit 21, they'd move into the next wage bracket and they'd keep working hard to get more then? And they'd keep on doing that? Huh, what? What is this concept?
 

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I can't do laughing smilies but damn.



Yeah, you're probably right. Two kids who'd bleed for the club. Good idea to offer them over the odds to keep 'em happy.

SAF shouldn't have kept such a tight wage structure for so long. Damn thing held us back for decades.

Wait, what? Those players would know that when they hit 21, they'd move into the next wage bracket and they'd keep working hard to get more then? And they'd keep on doing that? Huh, what? What is this concept?
Oh, of course. Footballers and their agents famously don't care about money, they're all about loyalty to clubs. Silly me for forgetting.

I'd also forgotten about SAF, who miraculously signed 18 year old Wayne Rooney while keeping to a 20k a week wage structure.

What you've described in the bold is the thought process of a very stupid person with a very stupid agent.
 

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I can't do laughing smilies but damn.



Yeah, you're probably right. Two kids who'd bleed for the club. Good idea to offer them over the odds to keep 'em happy.

SAF shouldn't have kept such a tight wage structure for so long. Damn thing held us back for decades.

Wait, what? Those players would know that when they hit 21, they'd move into the next wage bracket and they'd keep working hard to get more then? And they'd keep on doing that? Huh, what? What is this concept?
Well Sancho isn’t 21 yet so I doubt he’d have seen the funny side of such proposal.
 

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Oh, of course. Footballers and their agents famously don't care about money, they're all about loyalty to clubs. Silly me for forgetting.

I'd also forgotten about SAF, who miraculously signed 18 year old Wayne Rooney while keeping to a 20k a week wage structure.

What you've described in the bold is the thought process of a very stupid person with a very stupid agent.
No, that's your opinion. And it's...hmm. Not really right. Not if a club is well-run. If money is all that matters, then sure. Whatever.

I probably shouldn't do this since it kind of seems certain that you still won't understand, but say for example, the club is being excellently run. Competitive at the highest level, with a good wage-structure in place. The 'very stupid' player who wants a chance at being involved will take those lower wages because they feel it's worth the risk in the long term. This is how, for example, PhDs teaching at Harvard often make less than their similarly-abled peers in the private sector: Do I take $170k/yr to teach at Harvard, or $280k/yr at this think tank, which is also quite well known in the field, but damn, it's not HARVARD.

(Did you know that within a high-level organization - AKA where prestige is involved - workers care far less what other people on their level make outside their organization and they care more about what others within the organization are making relative to them? This is an actual phenomenon. AKA at a well-run prestigious institution, your Brandon Williams' and Mason Greenwoods are perfectly fine with 20k/w as long as others around them at a similar level are, too. And one of the things this does is it builds camaraderie and keeps people pulling in the same direction. It's us against them. Us against the mercs.)

Anyways, sorry for what might seem like a non-sequitur, but at this stage I don't really think it's worth explaining much more than that. If you're able to see and discuss the issue fully - i.e. what to do with obvious exceptions such as recruiting outliers from the outside like Rooney, and who holds the leverage when the player is already at the club, incentivized items, 'maybe Welbeck on 20k/w was right for then but this is ten years later there's been inflation' etc - then we might be able to discuss; otherwise, sorry.
 

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If you capped salaries at 20k then talented young players would rightly leave to any of the many, many, many clubs who would pay them more. It would be (and I don't say this lightly) one of the single most stupid decisions the club would ever take.
:lol:

No doubt a very long list of stupid decisions you had to shuffle through in your mental rolodex.
 

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No, that's your opinion. And it's...hmm. Not really right. Not if a club is well-run. If money is all that matters, then sure. Whatever.

I probably shouldn't do this since it kind of seems certain that you still won't understand, but say for example, the club is being excellently run. Competitive at the highest level, with a good wage-structure in place. The 'very stupid' player who wants a chance at being involved will take those lower wages because they feel it's worth the risk in the long term. This is how, for example, PhDs teaching at Harvard often make less than their similarly-abled peers in the private sector: Do I take $170k/yr to teach at Harvard, or $280k/yr at this think tank, which is also quite well known in the field, but damn, it's not HARVARD.

(Did you know that within a high-level organization - AKA where prestige is involved - workers care far less what other people on their level make outside their organization and they care more about what others within the organization are making relative to them? This is an actual phenomenon. AKA at a well-run prestigious institution, your Brandon Williams' and Mason Greenwoods are perfectly fine with 20k/w as long as others around them at a similar level are, too. And one of the things this does is it builds camaraderie and keeps people pulling in the same direction. It's us against them. Us against the mercs.)

Anyways, sorry for what might seem like a non-sequitur, but at this stage I don't really think it's worth explaining much more than that. If you're able to see and discuss the issue fully - i.e. what to do with obvious exceptions such as recruiting outliers from the outside like Rooney, and who holds the leverage when the player is already at the club, incentivized items, 'maybe Welbeck on 20k/w was right for then but this is ten years later there's been inflation' etc - then we might be able to discuss; otherwise, sorry.
I too share your concern that I will find your logic utterly incomprehensible, so I think we'll leave it there.
 

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I too share your concern that I will find your logic utterly incomprehensible, so I think we'll leave it there.
It's okay. Also, you're trying to pretend you get it and dismiss it as 'logic' but you're just not able to see how it works; it's just the way the world works in certain places at the very very very top. This stuff you only learn through experience and the vast majority of people never come into contact with things like having to decide between teaching at Harvard for 170k/yr vs a top-end think tank for 280k/yr. being offered $1M/yr to teach at one's alma mater vs $12M+/yr to practice in an extremely high-pressure environment in a big city; being offered hundreds of millions to go on tour vs a considerably lesser amount to take up a residency.

You're right, according to your 'money is everything' logic, it doesn't make sense.

It's just what happens in the real world at top-end institutions when, past a certain point, money doesn't matter and other things start to take priority. AKA it's not incomprehensible once you can think about many other things in concert. It's what people like SAF do.
 

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To be honest I'm not sure that an 18 year old on 1m a year is going to behave that differently from an 18 year old on 2m a year. It's vast money either way. And regardless, Greenwood doesn't seem the type to get carried away.