Lewandowski is getting on. Splash the cash, Barca, and get us a fat sell on fee.
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How differently things could have gone. Probably the most excited I’ve been at any point in the post SAF era was that season under Ole when we had these three lighting it up
It’s a good an accomplishment finishing top scorer. Usually good performances in France lead to a big move I could see a few clubs looking at Greenwood before long
Issue will always be that the higher profile clubs, and more specifically their sponsors, will not want any association with the pictures and the audio that are still all over the internet. Greenwood has talent but there are equally talented players for the big clubs to sign that don't bring the same baggage with them. I doubt he leaves Marseille any time soon and when he does it will probably be to a lower profile club that will see the trade off as worth the hassle.
Right?
"We don't care"
But also enters the thread every time to comment when it has activity.
Literally the opposite of "don't care"
MMMSlop
I think, from what I see, it is more of a case of people coming in to, quite rightly, respond to those who think letting him go was a mistake.
Yep.
These were the first 2 posts tonight and nobody replied to either. It was only when someone said it was a mistake to let him go that the reason he was let go was brought up.
But they have to come in here in the first place in order to know that there's even people to respond to in this fashion.
Who are you quoting?
21 goals debut season, can't argue with that.
So do we have a sell on clause? Is it on profit or future sale?
If PSG want Greenwood for something like €50m, and Marseille want to avoid giving us the 50% from the sell on clause, anything stopping PSG signing him for say €20m, and signing some other €5m-worth player for €30m?
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with people coming into a thread to call it out though. The people who have today don’t seem to be saying they don’t care?
If I’m being honest I don’t think we should be allowing any posts that are lamenting the fact he isn’t here.
Oh there’s certainly a boot or 2 incoming alright
Selling Greenwood for 20m might look a little suspect like.
You can tell a lot about a person from their opinion and stance on situations like this.
Nothing stopping them, but it would be shady and unethical, and would 1) taint the relationship between Man Utd and Marseille for who knows how long and 2) send a notice to other clubs dealing with Marseille that they'll try to shaft you out of a clause, potentially making transfer negotiations harder in future. Long-term, it's probably not worth it for them to try it.
I mean I know it’s bad but we don’t need to be lamenting the fact Mason Greenwood isn’t a Manchester United player…
If it helps, his off the ball work is absolutely atrocious….
If it helps, his off the ball work is absolutely atrocious….
Whilst true, I do wish United fans would stop with expectations of attacking players constantly working their socks off AND being productive.
Some players should work less.
Anyone who heard that audio and could still bring themselves to support and cheer for this man has issues.
I don’t care how good he is, or becomes. The guy is a pure scumbag. And we did well to get rid.
It’s a shame so many of our former players, especially youth products, have turned out to be utter scum over the years.
Maybe it’s because I’m getting older too, but I just find it so hard to become emotionally connected with players thesedays. Been burnt so many times down the years.
I don’t care how good he is, or becomes. The guy is a pure scumbag. And we did well to get rid.
It’s a shame so many of our former players, especially youth products, have turned out to be utter scum over the years.
Maybe it’s because I’m getting older too, but I just find it so hard to become emotionally connected with players thesedays. Been burnt so many times down the years.
The delta between potential and realised potential between our front 3 of
Rashford — Greenwood — Sancho
Is just mental.
Could have been Englands golden 3 with the right guidance
Rashford — Greenwood — Sancho
Is just mental.
Could have been Englands golden 3 with the right guidance
Situations like these make me sad to be a United fan.
1. Club reviews allegations and is comfortable with bringing player back given no conviction, private evidence, and reconcilement between the alleged parties.
2. Fans complain and threaten to blow off if said player is ever back and there's limited support to give him another chance from the fan base. Club accommodates and gets rid of the player for a fraction of his value.
3. Said player is accepted elsewhere by other team fans and rebuilds his career.
4. United fans argue in a never ending loop about the situation.
Can we just keep our focus to the football pitch and the standards we expect of our players without the theatrics? The list of famous celebrities and athletes who've done bad things without convictions is quite long. The effectiveness of their PR teams and the conviction of businesses associated to those individuals determines how long before fans forget/stop caring about the indicident.
Let's move on from the angst, as we've got some exciting young players! Yes Mason's never coming back. Yes he'll probably go do great things somewhere in Europe cause he is one of the most talented forwards we've ever had. If you're happy he's gone, great stop antagonizing those that miss him! If you're mad he's gone secretly blame the fan base, and our indifferent owners for their apathetic decision making, but stop trying to argue around the morality of his alleged accusations. Most importantly, we probably still would be terrible with him as we need a deep culture reset, like what SAF did back in the day. He probably would be part of the group that would have been sold. The difference would be another £20-30M lining up Glazers pocket.
1. Club reviews allegations and is comfortable with bringing player back given no conviction, private evidence, and reconcilement between the alleged parties.
2. Fans complain and threaten to blow off if said player is ever back and there's limited support to give him another chance from the fan base. Club accommodates and gets rid of the player for a fraction of his value.
3. Said player is accepted elsewhere by other team fans and rebuilds his career.
4. United fans argue in a never ending loop about the situation.
Can we just keep our focus to the football pitch and the standards we expect of our players without the theatrics? The list of famous celebrities and athletes who've done bad things without convictions is quite long. The effectiveness of their PR teams and the conviction of businesses associated to those individuals determines how long before fans forget/stop caring about the indicident.
Let's move on from the angst, as we've got some exciting young players! Yes Mason's never coming back. Yes he'll probably go do great things somewhere in Europe cause he is one of the most talented forwards we've ever had. If you're happy he's gone, great stop antagonizing those that miss him! If you're mad he's gone secretly blame the fan base, and our indifferent owners for their apathetic decision making, but stop trying to argue around the morality of his alleged accusations. Most importantly, we probably still would be terrible with him as we need a deep culture reset, like what SAF did back in the day. He probably would be part of the group that would have been sold. The difference would be another £20-30M lining up Glazers pocket.
Don’t think this applies to Rashford as he never had what it takes to play for a top team facing low blocks consistently. But yes Sancho and Greenwood were both truly top talents and potential pissed straight down the toilet from a United perspective.
So frustrating.
That would be blatant disregard to the rules.
So they would need to consult with City’s lawyers, and it’s probably very doable.
Won't it just be poetic if we face him in the champions league at OT next season.
It’s a shame he turned out to be such a piece of shit because we could really do with him in our attack but no I would never want him back here.
I think Arsenal are looking for a goalscorer upfront. He'll find some like minded colleagues in that starting XI.
One of the more annoying things to come about with the modern tactics of football is that people put a large emphasis on attackers work rate as a defender, without often wonder if they are actually good at their own position. You see it in every fecking write up of a forward and you see comments every time someone is linked to us of “oh but he doesn’t work hard enough” even if the guy was a 35g/a player and brilliant on the ball
It’s gross
Here here
That doesn’t help no
The best modern teams have high possession, high possession partly comes from high pressing. High pressing means forwards who work hard to win the ball back.
Its really that simple.
You can take Sancho out and add Martial instead.
Id go as as to say the Greenwood situation changed the trajectory of Manchester United in the short/medium term.
Sancho pissed himself down the toilet.
Nar, Argetina won the WC with a midget man walking around the middle of the pitch.
You can press high up but still spend lots of time walking, as long as your team is good at pressing as a unit. United are shit at pressing as a team, yet we expect our forwards to run all over the pitch, most fans these days seem these days to value this above goals & creativity.
Ronaldo won how many CL’s without being a pressing monster?
I don’t disagree to an extent, question though, who out of the latest and greatest attacking players don’t work hard AND chalk up goals and assists?
Ronaldo’s work rate was high, Messi not a work horse but extremely positionally intelligent, Aguero pressed hard, Lewandovski presses hard, Salah puts a shift in, Kane constantly tracks back (some say detrimentally), Isak doesn’t stop…
Guess what I’m saying is it’s not exclusive, the great players do both typically in modern football don’t they?
Probably not, and there's precedent for that kind of thing.
Michel Vorm and Ben Davies went from Spurs to Swansea, Gylfi Sigurddson moved the other way in 2014.
Vorm had previously played for Utrecht who had a 30% sell on clause active. Swansea and Spurs put his transfer through as £0 so Swansea could avoid paying anything to Utrecht. He'd been a starting PL goalie for 3 seasons and was picking up caps for Netherlands so there was no way he was reasonably considered to be worth nothing at all.
Utrecht took it all the way the court of arbitration for sports and lost.
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This precedent suggests that you can do this as Utrecht lost the case.