They can't help themselves. The 'Second chance for Unapologetic Rapists Club' is worryingly big.
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They can't help themselves. The 'Second chance for Unapologetic Rapists Club' is worryingly big.
He got much more than a second chance.
What does he need a second chance for? He didn’t do it, remember.
He wasn’t found guilty in a court of law, but football society judged him guilty regardless. Saying he never served any punishment is absurd. He lost 18 months of his career, went from a Manchester United starter and England international to being pushed out to Getafe and then Marseille, and hasn’t been called up to the England team since, nor is he ever likely to be, despite the numbers he’s putting up. He also lost every sponsorship he had.
Argue about whether he deserved more punishment if you want, but claiming he faced no consequences is flat-out false.
I don’t think he should ever get a chance at Utd again and he never will. But even if he did do people actually think through the reality of it.
It has a huge detrimental impact on the image of the club, there’s a media circus, every away game would be volatile. There would be real division amongst United fans about it and a lot of opposition. He goes from being under the radar in France to public enemy number one and having to deal with it on a weekly basis. Could he cope with that or why we he even want to be exposed to it.
Everyone has moved on and there’s no real need, benefit or desire to go back on that.
I don’t think that’s the case judging by the reactions to Woodgate coming here to be part of Carrick’s setup.
Well the post you responded to didn't say that, it said he served no punishment which is an entirely different thing from consequences. His consequences are self inflicted but he was not punished by anyone despite repeatedly breaking the law after this business first came to light in order to see the girl in question which resulted in him getting her pregnant and then convincing her to stop cooperating with the Police.
He is incredibly lucky and it is beyond nauseating to have posters in here defending him, go find other forums and other rapists to cry about if that is what gets you off.
He didn't fess up and hasn't shown any kind of learning or growing. Everyone can change, but that's a long process and they gotta show something. He's shown the opposite if anything, with his behaviour meeting her during the investigation.
Been a while since I looked in this thread, nothing appears to have changed!
I think we should forget about him and leave him to go his way. Probably Italy or Germany will be a good step ahead for him, he must not lose anymore time in his current club.
I think he meant second chance at united
I never said he faced no consequences. I said he hasn't taken responsibility for why he's in this position to start with. If he can't do that, how can he or anyone else move past it?
Fair. I do think people are entitled to hold united employees to a higher standard though.
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None of you are adding anything new, and while that's not unusual, the topic makes it particularly annoying in this case. Please read back so we don't have to do this absurd amoral dance all over again.
Given the fan/club relationship is an emotional one, rather than a transactional one like the one between shareholder/company I think that’s completely fair to think that.
I don’t think it’s as much of a ”united employee” thing though as I’m sure there are a lot of people with unsavoury pasts employed by the club. It’s the moral aspect of supporting the players which has been a big part of why I lost a lot of interest watching United during the bomb squad era a couple of years ago.
I couldn’t really bring myself to connect with and support people getting huge amounts of money while being entitled, lazy, shitheads, and Greenwood would’ve been a much harder pill to swallow than Sancho for example.
Just to enforce what @moses is saying, if it’s the same old people circling around again on this topic, perhaps thinking that enough time has passed, it hasn’t and won’t. you will find yourself threadbanned or more if necessary
Stop lying, he had a very good half. If this was any other player you would obviously say so. Holy shit this is just pathetic.
Seriously, I don’t care how good he is. He’s a fecking domestic abuser. If we had a player who’s as good as Messi, and he turned out to be as much of a cnut as Greenwood, I’d be okay with us getting rid of him. Some things are bigger than football.
Are you referring to a complete lack of reaction to Woodgate's previous conviction?
Or has there been something I missed?
I think you need to take a breath. I'm not lying - he was decent for the ten minutes in which he had two shots saved. Maybe you could tell me what else he did beyond that?
No, I saw a fair few comments from people being disappointed by him coming in to be a part of the club and him being a piece of shit. And that’s just from the little skimming I was doing of that thread.
Same. I was a big fan of the podcast and listened to it for years.
I missed that and certainly haven't seen much mention of it around socials or the media
I assume most younger fans have no idea that Woodgate actually has a criminal conviction and many older ones probably forgot - it was a big story at the time though, including allegations of racism
For the sake of the rest of the podcast team, I'll point out that I'm not on all the episodes and I'm just one voice there even when I am.
We all have different opinions and others in the podcast team dont agree with mine on this particular issue but we agree to disagree and move on because none of us actually know what happened here, it's all just opinions and speculation.
Just to be absolutely clear, I've never asked for Greenwood to come back. I always said it was the right thing to send him away and that he can't come back unless he and his partner does some kind of interview/expIanation and I still stand by that today.
For me the best case scenario is that he gets a move and we get the sell on clause.
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translation:
Pablo Longoria on Greenwood to @JBurtTelegraph: "I asked my mother what she thought; she told me: do it." "I'm not the kind of man who judges without knowing all the facts. But I'm not saying that off-field matters don't interest me."
"Well mum, what do you think? Should I sign him?"
"Absolutely not, are you crazy?"
"Shut up mum, no one cares what you think!"
"Absolutely not, are you crazy?"
"Shut up mum, no one cares what you think!"
"mum, what do you think? Greenwood yay or nay?"
*Puts on long wig and adopts high pitch voice*
"You know best Pablo, I'm sure you'll do the right thing. You're so handsome and smart too and that half goatee moustache combo definitely doesn't make you look like a paedo magician"
*Puts on long wig and adopts high pitch voice*
"You know best Pablo, I'm sure you'll do the right thing. You're so handsome and smart too and that half goatee moustache combo definitely doesn't make you look like a paedo magician"
"And then they all stood up and applauded"
The man needs to rethink his hair and facial hair. Guy could be a body double (dangerous gig 80ish years ago).
I remember he called Dier to Bayern, which Spurs fans duly took the piss out of.
Jose doing the business so we don't have to hear anymore about this twat for the rest of the season.Shit in a shit team at the moment. Bye.
Personally all the speculation over whether he did whatever doesn't actually matter. It was toxic for the club to have him here and therefore it was absolutely the right call to sell him. While it sucks to lose out on such a talented player, let's not forget there were rumors about him having a bad attitude going on for a while, and he was pretty lazy on the pitch which for me mean I don't want him here anyway even forgetting all the drama. I'd much rather have committed players who give 100% every game than primadonnas who are fair weather. He's another one like Rashford who didn't fit with where the club is going and personally, I will gladly watch them be talented for other teams and not our problem.
I don’t think that’s true.
But either way, we're not revisiting that in this thread yet again.
That goes for everyone: please have another look at the guidelines in the thread OP.
12 of those are penalties. If he hadn't been on penalties, no one would give a shit and he would just be another attacker with decent numbers in Ligue 1. This makes him look like he's close to Dembele, which he is not.
I believe penalties still count as goals?
It's important context though. Andy Cole probably would've been close to Shearer if he'd taken penalties. But he didn't and shearer did, so shearer is 1 and cole is 5th
But Cole didn’t. It’s an important skill and far from every striker is a good penalty taker.
Yeah if my grandmother had wheels and all that. But still, being a teams penalty taker is going to inflate your goals compared to someone who doesn't. If Dembele took penalties as well then it would be a fair comparison.
I’m not defending greenwood at all but one of them plays for a significantly better side, so you if you normalise for a penalty taker advantage you need to normalise for that.
He’s not as good as Dembele, but he’s not far away in some aspects.