pratyush_utd
Can't tell DeGea and Onana apart.
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Another player we didn’t need and wasted money on. If things dont change fast, we would be offering him around like we are doing for Sancho
"Played well as long as he was on the pitch"Any chance you missed the last two games? Surely not just down to him, but we played mostly well as long as he was on the pitch. And reverted back to last seasons United when he left.
New to football"Played well as long as he was on the pitch"
First game: 0-0 in his minutes
Second game: 0-1 in his minutes
The narratives are hilarious
Any chance you missed the last two games? Surely not just down to him, but we played mostly well as long as he was on the pitch. And reverted back to last seasons United when he left.
At this point you're just wumming and it's tedious."Played well as long as he was on the pitch"
First game: 0-0 in his minutes
Second game: 0-1 in his minutes
The narratives are hilarious
At some point, you'll learn that results not necessarily have to align with performances. And I am not going to defend the player, I am not stating that our good performance was down to him. But given what we've seen, it is just illogical to assume that we would play better now that he is gone."Played well as long as he was on the pitch"
First game: 0-0 in his minutes
Second game: 0-1 in his minutes
The narratives are hilarious
From the team or the player? I see your point, not celebrating him but there is no point (to me at least) to deny us playing pretty well during the first halves of those games. Don't know what happend in 2nd halves because those weren't good but Mount could be a factor in it as he left the field (against Fulham we started to become dull when he was still on the pitch though). So just to be sure, I was talking about overall performances, not Mount specifically (even though he obviously contributed to it).Overrated performances on both occasions by this forum.
Yeah, a bit like last season. He is there, he is busy but he doesn't stand out.He doesn't do anything outside of pressing, and the press will always drop off later in the game as players get tired. Complete non-entity in possession.
Went to shit earlier. Subbing Bruno sealed the deal but we didn't play well in the 2nd half at all. Was last seasons United edition.One time the game was won after he was gone, the next one went to shit after Fernandes was off for McTominay for some inexplicable reason.
Think that is harsh given that he did do more at Chelsea in certain conditions but for the time here, it is difficult to disagree.Basically, it's another one of those whose contributions can't be described without saying they work hard and some nonsense like "initiating the press", as if it's some great skill inherent to them personally. "Keeping width" was Antony's, and United also "looked better" with him on the pitch. Antony isn't even coming on as a sub anymore. Mount is offering absolutely nothing that someone like Fred already didn't, although he was at least fit and scored occasionally, and Fred was regularly getting shit on for that.
I didn't really understand the transfer as well but he is here now and I don't see us selling him too soon. Might as well trying to find a way to get something out of him. And if that pressing thing is something ETH wants as primary way to defending, he could have some use.Could he be more useful under a better manager and in a different role? Possibly. But that's not what's happening right now, and even then I'd rather have someone else, because he isn't a player that stands out with any particular skill, or even a Steady Eddy type, because you actually have to be fit for that.
I'll bet I've been watching longer than you have been.New to football
If you think Kane would be a difference maker in this team under ten Hag, then you should think again. Anyway, Levy would not sell Kane to another team in PL that directly strengthens them for £100m. Kane also demanded around £500k a week. That would be ridiculous for a 30 year old who signed a 4 year contract.I'll quote myself for the 3rd time about this fraud of a player: "He is shite, and we are shite to buy him for 60 mil. in his last year of contract. And Kane was 100 mil."
Ok, I know that Kane was not a realistic option, but it's about the price we splashed on Mount. We gave Sancho for 25 mil. (God bless, I would give him for free almost), and Chelsea plunged us this fraud for 60... That's saying alot about EtH too.If you think Kane would be a difference maker in this team under ten Hag, then you should think again. Anyway, Levy would not sell Kane to another team in PL that directly strengthens them for £100m. Kane also demanded around £500k a week. That would be ridiculous for a 30 year old who signed a 4 year contract.
But is no use if you play him in a strange positionHope he is back for the next game. His pressing is important to the team. Much better than Zirkzee
Hope he is back for the next game. His pressing is important to the team. Much better than Zirkzee
Apparently they were and I'm sure he could be useful in the press for us, he's not been with the team long still so I wouldn't judge him yet.I thought Zirkzee was supposed to be excellent at pressing according to his stats in Italy? Maybe I've got the wrong
At any rate, I agree the press wasn't nearly as effective against Liverpool and we do miss Mount for that reason. As others have said though, he's barely contributed any goals or assists in his time here so it's not solving that problem.
No put Mount on the wing if you want to do that. Bruno should be given as much freedom as possible, it's when he's at his best. Having a midfield that can actually sweep up behind him properly has always been the problem.I'd be really tempted to shift Bruno to left wing in a Tadic role, and let Mount play as the #10.
Garnacho--Mount----Bruno
-----------------Hojlund
Our whole play depends on pressing from the front, and Mount is the best at leading that in our whole team. Bruno can be creative from wide as well. Anyway having Bruno in a midfield 3 if you want to have any sort of control is a problem.No put Mount on the wing if you want to do that. Bruno should be given as much freedom as possible, it's when he's at his best. Having a midfield that can actually sweep up behind him properly has always been the problem.
You do realise its our failed press that often leaves the huge gaps in our midfield?How bad are we that we need this nothing player back to have a more organised press? I would prefer goals and assists rather than winning the pressing thanks.
The issue is, there are dozens of teams better than us at football currently, and they all somehow managed to achieve that without Mason Mount pressing for them. I'm not sure why Manchester United are some special case where we can't function as a team without a player who does nothing on the ball but presses well off it.You do realise its our failed press that often leaves the huge gaps in our midfield?
I mean we should all realize that the manager should realize that that style does not work and we stop playing it especially if it relies on an injured prone player who is far from being a Messi or a Ronaldo. And even with him in the team, the team still goes nowhere.You do realise its our failed press that often leaves the huge gaps in our midfield?
There are also teams without Martinez/Shaw capability on the ball, and yet that was the excuse used last season that we can't play from the back without them. Now, we can't press without Mount. What is true, but indicates the real problem with United. If your tactic depend on one player, then it's a shit tactic. People are starting to see it now. I'm pretty sure Ineos saw this a while ago as well.The issue is, there are dozens of teams better than us at football currently, and they all somehow managed to achieve that without Mason Mount pressing for them. I'm not sure why Manchester United are some special case where we can't function as a team without a player who does nothing on the ball but presses well off it.
There are dozens of teams better than United that somehow managed to achieve that without Bruno Fernandes creating chances for them.The issue is, there are dozens of teams better than us at football currently, and they all somehow managed to achieve that without Mason Mount pressing for them. I'm not sure why Manchester United are some special case where we can't function as a team without a player who does nothing on the ball but presses well off it.
This is dumb. Not every team is trying to play the way we are, Liverpool are for example, and they have Szoboszlai, who is excellent at pressing from the front.The issue is, there are dozens of teams better than us at football currently, and they all somehow managed to achieve that without Mason Mount pressing for them
We all want the manager to change, but as long as we are playing this style, to downplay the importance of having players good at pressing in a transition based team is stupid. I dont disagree that Mount should do better on the ball, but the bar is not Messi/Ronaldo.I mean we should all realize that the manager should realize that that style does not work and we stop playing it especially if it relies on an injured prone player who is far from being a Messi or a Ronaldo.
My Marcus will always playI'd be really tempted to shift Bruno to left wing in a Tadic role, and let Mount play as the #10.
Garnacho--Mount----Bruno
-----------------Hojlund
Well, maybe we shouldn't be playing the way we are? If the only way we can ever function as a team is if Mason Mount is running around, either the rest of the players are awful, the coaching is terrible, or our whole approach to the game is wrong. Whichever it is it's concerning.This is dumb. Not every team is trying to play the way we are, Liverpool are for example, and they have Szoboszlai, who is excellent at pressing from the front.
I think the point is, a decent manager may be able to get us looking like a competent football team when Mason Mount isn't on the pitch.There are dozens of teams better than United that somehow managed to achieve that without Bruno Fernandes creating chances for them.
Plenty of teams were also better than Tottenham without Kane scoring for them. You could apply this to a bunch of players, but it is still strange logic. We have to use the players at disposal, and Mount plays for us. Obviously we should play the players that make us play better football.
Do we need to replace ETH and are his tactics problematic? Sure.Well, maybe we shouldn't be playing the way we are? If the only way we can ever function as a team is if Mason Mount is running around, either the rest of the players are awful, the coaching is terrible, or our whole approach to the game is wrong. Whichever it is it's concerning.
Liverpool's most successful period came before Szoboszlai even joined the club. And I would expect they would find a way not to be completely useless if Szoboszlai wasn't playing.
I sort of remember him on Chelsea 2019 thru 2022 being the greatest thing ever. Did he just get overused? Anyway, not Park like.Do we need to replace ETH and are his tactics problematic? Sure.
But my point was more aimed at a poster who was downplaying off the ball attributes like pressing, which are very important for a team who has decided to play a high press.
He's basically a Park Ji Sung type, maybe a bit better on the ball, but at 55M and having #7 jersey, the expectation are obviously higher.