[Telsim]

Did the basics right and didn't get injured. Progress.

 

[Buster15]

I thought this would be a disaster signing with injuries galore and I could easily say I was right

But I can definitely see an improvement when he’s on the pitch. Staying fit for the remainder of the season would be a good start

And for next season as well.
It has been hugely frustrating for him and us to see a decent player so badly affected by injuries.
Hopefully he will be able to stay fit for a couple of seasons.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Mount is a very good player, that's if he can stay fit.

I want him to make it here as he would suit the amorim style so much.

 

[The Cat]

Mount is a very good player, that's if he can stay fit.

I want him to make it here as he would suit the amorim style so much.

Agree with that, fingers crossed.

 

[Tallis]

He looks a cut above our other forwards when he is on. No wonder Ruben talks him up so much.

 

[flameinthesun]

He looks a cut above our other forwards when he is on. No wonder Ruben talks him up so much.

Think in his brief appearances during his time here he has looked like a good signing. He needs to figure out these injuries though. I do fear that his style of play may encourage more injuries so I don't have that much faith. Would like to see Mount and Amad in the 10s. Our best pressing has been with Mount in the team.

 

[OsloRed]

Think in his brief appearances during his time here he has looked like a good signing. He needs to figure out these injuries though. I do fear that his style of play may encourage more injuries so I don't have that much faith. Would like to see Mount and Amad in the 10s. Our best pressing has been with Mount in the team.

Mount and Amad, if they can stay fit, would be our best pressers by some distance. I would love to see them together at some point. I really hope Mount gets a good run now without injuries. It must have been really tough for him the last season and a half, but he has carried himself well.

 

[Tallis]

Think in his brief appearances during his time here he has looked like a good signing. He needs to figure out these injuries though. I do fear that his style of play may encourage more injuries so I don't have that much faith. Would like to see Mount and Amad in the 10s. Our best pressing has been with Mount in the team.

Yup - its a shame about his injuries. A quality 50m player in his prime but cannot be relied on due to injuries.

 

[Golden Nugget]

Good cameo. The two moments I recall was the foul - where he had the intelligence to break up the counter and take the yellow - too many times we refuse to do this.

The volley I felt he initially screwed up his feet - but he repositioned and hit it well - but it was a good block.

All in all - will be a good player under Amorims system if he can stay fit.

 

[Red00012]

Good cameo. The two moments I recall was the foul - where he had the intelligence to break up the counter and take the yellow - too many times we refuse to do this.

The volley I felt he initially screwed up his feet - but he repositioned and hit it well - but it was a good block.

All in all - will be a good player under Amorims system if he can stay fit.

He made a good recovery tackle when City was on the attack as far as I can remember

 

[Doracle]

Good cameo. The two moments I recall was the foul - where he had the intelligence to break up the counter and take the yellow - too many times we refuse to do this.

The volley I felt he initially screwed up his feet - but he repositioned and hit it well - but it was a good block.

All in all - will be a good player under Amorims system if he can stay fit.

I can only recall him doing the two things you mention - one of which was a foul and the other of which was a shot he hit straight at a defender. Is that really the standard of a “good” cameo for a number 10 at United nowadays?

My own take was that in the 20 minutes he was on the pitch he failed to influence the game at all. There were no flashes of brilliance or creativity and I can’t remember anything else he did other than the two incidents you called out.

Obviously he needs time to get up to speed, but, once he does, he also needs to be a player who is providing attacking input - something he has conspicuously failed to do so far when he has been fit at Old Trafford.

 

[Golden Nugget]

I can only recall him doing the two things you mention - one of which was a foul and the other of which was a shot he hit straight at a defender. Is that really the standard of a “good” cameo for a number 10 at United nowadays?

My own take was that in the 20 minutes he was on the pitch he failed to influence the game at all. There were no flashes of brilliance or creativity and I can’t remember anything else he did other than the two incidents you called out.

Obviously he needs time to get up to speed, but, once he does, he also needs to be a player who is providing attacking input - something he has conspicuously failed to do so far when he has been fit at Old Trafford.

It’s all about perspective. Yes - it was just a foul - but from what I recall was someone else losing the ball and him sniffing out the danger, running back and taking the foul and yellow.

The shot on reflection yes - it may be just me being relieved that there’s finally someone being there for rebounds instead of standing and watching all the time

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

Good to see him back, but i often look at this signing and think why, seriously whoever had this amazing idea of signing this guy with one year left on the deal needs to be fired pronto. He looks alright generally keeping the ball and progressing but should we have paid 55M rising to 60M for a player like him, I do not want to get into his injuries and wage which are waste of time and money, but even football wise, the only reason he looks alright is because we were watching Hojlund, Garnacho and Dorgu, Ugarte stinking up the place, making basic errors (failing to control, over hit, under hit passes, passing behind team mates, delaying passes etc), which he started doing reasonably well, but think of it this way, is he a goal scorer, goal creator, a dribbler, or even a carrier of the ball from the midfield, the answer to all that is a big No. He is just a recycler of the ball that's all, he is a like a competition for Bruno at 2 levels below that you sign for free or 15M, not at 55M and 250k wage doing nothing for two seasons except taking the paycheck.

 

[Lash]

Seems to have come back as Dennis Wise incarnate. Better tonight though.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

As one of his biggest fans on the caf (lonely club) I thought he was uncharacteristically poor on the ball today.

 

[The Mitcher]

Did the basics right and didn't get injured. Progress.

I expect more from a 60 million pound number 7.

 

[Matt851]

I expect more from a 60 million pound number 7.

He was a piss poor signing but if he can stay fit he improves our squad

 

[Van Piorsing]

As one of his biggest fans on the caf (lonely club) I thought he was uncharacteristically poor on the ball today.

Well... that's what almost 2 years without regular football can do to players.

He needs consistent football. Badly.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Well... that's what almost 2 years without regular football can do to players.

He needs consistent football. Badly.

It doesn't help but he's usually still good on the ball when he comes on. Just one of those days, Bruno was really poor on the ball in moments too.

 

[Isotope]

I just don't see it. He doesn't show any skill and vision as a 10.

 

[OleGunnar20]

I thought he looked bright when he came on. Nothing outstanding, but good energy and as always a willing runner in behind.

It's been a disastrous signing and was always a bad idea, but at this point he just needs to stay fecking fit and hit next season strong. We need to pull some aces out of our sleeve somewhere ..

 

[The Hilton]

I thought he looked bright when he came on. Nothing outstanding, but good energy and as always a willing runner in behind.

It's been a disastrous signing and was always a bad idea, but at this point he just needs to stay fecking fit and hit next season strong. We need to pull some aces out of our sleeve somewhere ..

Yeah I don't get the criticism tonight, thought he did pretty well when he came on.

There's obviously a good player in there, the issue is that he's never fit.

 

[Raoul]

I just don't see it. He doesn't show any skill and vision as a 10.

He's barely played in ages.

 

[Raoul]

Seems to have come back as Dennis Wise incarnate. Better tonight though.

He's a very good player who will basically be like a brand new signing as long as he stays fit.

 

[Isotope]

Yeah I don't get the criticism tonight, thought he did pretty well when he came on.

There's obviously a good player in there, the issue is that he's never fit.

If that's considered a "pretty well" performance, we're fecked.

 

[Raoul]

Add in £55m for Mount too. He is the worst out of the lot because he’s never fit. He was in the last year of his contract and we overpaid massively. Onana and Hojlund can say they had some decent games. The same can’t be said about Mount.

I like Mount. Once he’s fit I think we will have quite a player on our hands.

 

[The Hilton]

If that's considered a "pretty well" performance, we're fecked.

Maybe it's relative, given that he actually looked like a 10 playing as a 10, as opposed to Garnacho stinking the place out there.

Still though, he was tidy, didn't misplace a pass, considering he's just come back he's way down the list of players who are due criticism for their performance tonight.

 

[Isotope]

Maybe it's relative, given that he actually looked like a 10 playing as a 10, as opposed to Garnacho stinking the place out there.

Still though, he was tidy, didn't misplace a pass, considering he's just come back he's way down the list of players who are due criticism for their performance tonight.

Nah. I'd play Garnacho 9 out of 10 times instead of Mount.

It was a nothing performance, where you can pick any of bottom 3 PL teams no. 10 and would perform like him.

 

[The Hilton]

Nah. I'd play Garnacho 9 out of 10 times instead of Mount.

It was a nothing performance, where you can pick any of bottom 3 PL teams no. 10 and would perform like him.

Garnacho offers nothing though, and we have to force one of our wingbacks to play centrally in order to accommodate him.

Mount is a much better pick just by virtue of being a natural 10.

 

[Isotope]

Garnacho offers nothing though, and we have to force one of our wingbacks to play centrally in order to accommodate him.

Mount is a much better pick just by virtue of being a natural 10.

It feels like there's no danger when Mount has the ball. With Garnacho, although he sometimes fecked up, that feeling is there.

As a defender, I'd prefer facing Mount than Garna.

 

[OleGunnar20]

It feels like there's no danger when Mount has the ball. With Garnacho, although he sometimes fecked up, that feeling is there.

As a defender, I'd prefer facing Mount than Garna.

I don't agree, at least with Garna playing in one of the #10 roles. It's clearly not his position and I don't think it'll ever be really.

He's a poor finisher, barely ever spots and plays in runners and isn't pacey / dangerous enough a dribbler to compensate.

I'd take a fit Mount in there ahead of him playing intelligently, passing and moving and stretching the defence with his runs, personally.

But each to their own ey. I'm not a big Garnacho fan, especially in this formation, but get why many disagree.

 

[Dominos]

Mount is a much better pick just by virtue of being a natural 10.

I'm very sceptical about this whole system if we think we can sacrifice genuine attackers for neat and tidy "10s" who do nothing to hurt the opposition.

In a 433/4231 you need your wide players to be quick, be able to beat a player 1v1, score goals, assist, make runs in behind the opposition defence. I'm not buying that just because we play 343 instead and call them 10s instead of wingers, we can sacrifice all of the attacking qualities a winger provides for a player who doesn't provide any real threat and penetration.

I think ultimately that's one of the reasons Garnacho keeps getting picked for the time being, despite being awful, he's the only player who can threaten the opposition in behind and look somewhat dangerous on a counter, win fouls through driving at the opposition etc.

Imagine we start a front 3 of Bruno-Zirkzee-Mount in the 2nd leg for example, which on paper might be our 3 best footballers in attack, it has zero pace, zero 1v1 threat, zero threat in behind the opposition defence, very little goal threat. Very hard for any of these players to get an assist either because they'll have no runners to pick out, as all the attackers are players who want the ball to feet rather than getting on the end of the passes.

 

[Redstain]

Mount is a much better pick just by virtue of being a natural 10.

Who also offers nothing?

A player on 250k a week and is applauded for offering energy and running in behind. Mount has been an abysmal signing, injury or fit he offers next to nothing.

 

[Dominos]

I like Mount. Once he’s fit I think we will have quite a player on our hands.

Even if people rated Chelsea era Mount, it's very, very optimistic to think he could get back to anywhere near the level of his best self.

He's literally been injured or poor for 3 seasons straight (one for Chelsea and two for us).

His last good season was 21/22. It will be 3 whole years since we last seen an actual footballer.

You'd struggle to find a player who is mostly injured for 3 years straight and a bit shit when he does play, suddenly returning to form.

There's also the disagreement over whether he was actually that good in the first place. During his prime he started every game for Southgate and every England fan in the country was begging for him to be dropped because he never did anything, it was a whole load of nothing every game. The stats always suggested he had very low involvement in games and barely touched the ball for a player of his type and a player in his position, which is exactly what we've seen with our eyes when he's played for us.

He had a decent 2 or 3 years at Chelsea when he broke through but was never genuinely elite, and I'd be shocked if he even got back to that level.

 

[RORY65]

He's come on in 2 games and got stuck in but obviously he looks like he's going to need a period of staying fit before he gets fully back into the swing of things. If he can get sharp and stay fit then he can be useful for us, the team generally looks better with Bruno in midfield due to the limitations of the other options there and so having Mount as a more natural number 10 than most who have played the role could be helpful to improve the balance of the team and the energy in the team.

 

[Raoul]

Even if people rated Chelsea era Mount, it's very, very optimistic to think he could get back to anywhere near the level of his best self.

He's literally been injured or poor for 3 seasons straight (one for Chelsea and two for us).

His last good season was 21/22. It will be 3 whole years since we last seen an actual footballer.

You'd struggle to find a player who is mostly injured for 3 years straight and a bit shit when he does play, suddenly returning to form.

There's also the disagreement over whether he was actually that good in the first place. During his prime he started every game for Southgate and every England fan in the country was begging for him to be dropped because he never did anything, it was a whole load of nothing every game. The stats always suggested he had very low involvement in games and barely touched the ball for a player of his type and a player in his position, which is exactly what we've seen with our eyes when he's played for us.

He had a decent 2 or 3 years at Chelsea when he broke through but was never genuinely elite, and I'd be shocked if he even got back to that level.

I think the issue has been that he’s been injured for quite a while. If he stays fit, I think we have a very good player on our hands. Even during his short spells of fitness at United, he has done relatively well, so I’m hopeful that an extended injury free run will result in a surprisingly good player. His contract runs until 2028, so I don’t think he’s going anywhere for a long time.

 

[bosnian_red]

I'm not a huge fan but it's good to have him back. He can rotate with Mainoo as the left #10, while Garnacho plays on the right #10 until Amad comes back and then Garnacho backs up Amad for the right #10.

 

[The Hilton]

It feels like there's no danger when Mount has the ball. With Garnacho, although he sometimes fecked up, that feeling is there.

As a defender, I'd prefer facing Mount than Garna.

The feeling is only there if you haven't been paying attention.

Who also offers nothing?

A player on 250k a week and is applauded for offering energy and running in behind. Mount has been an abysmal signing, injury or fit he offers next to nothing.

I completely agree it's been an awful signing so far due to his inability to stay fit. But he's still a better option than Garnacho as a 10, even if we agree they're both as awful as each other, just by virtue of being a 10.

 

[The Hilton]

I'm very sceptical about this whole system if we think we can sacrifice genuine attackers for neat and tidy "10s" who do nothing to hurt the opposition.

In a 433/4231 you need your wide players to be quick, be able to beat a player 1v1, score goals, assist, make runs in behind the opposition defence. I'm not buying that just because we play 343 instead and call them 10s instead of wingers, we can sacrifice all of the attacking qualities a winger provides for a player who doesn't provide any real threat and penetration.

I think ultimately that's one of the reasons Garnacho keeps getting picked for the time being, despite being awful, he's the only player who can threaten the opposition in behind and look somewhat dangerous on a counter, win fouls through driving at the opposition etc.

Imagine we start a front 3 of Bruno-Zirkzee-Mount in the 2nd leg for example, which on paper might be our 3 best footballers in attack, it has zero pace, zero 1v1 threat, zero threat in behind the opposition defence, very little goal threat. Very hard for any of these players to get an assist either because they'll have no runners to pick out, as all the attackers are players who want the ball to feet rather than getting on the end of the passes.

You're giving Garnacho way too much credit. I don't want to go to far into this because this is the Mount thread, but we're talking about a player with a dribbling success rate that makes him one of the worst players in the PL at it, is poor at shooting, passing, crossing, etc.

Whether the system is one that can work for us long term is another conversation too. We have the system we have for now ,

A neat and tidy 10 who does nothing to hurt the opposition is a better option than a messy winger who also does nothing to hurt the opposition, and loses the ball more, especially when they're both playing as a 10

 

[Lash]

He's a very good player who will basically be like a brand new signing as long as he stays fit.

Big if with him, but agreed. I hope he's over his injury problems.