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5.2 Season Average Rating
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27
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It’ll of been 3 seasons since Mount was any good by the end of this season.

Move him on. Admit it was a mistake.
 
Bwuk said:
It’ll of been 3 seasons since Mount was any good by the end of this season.

Move him on. Admit it was a mistake.
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Couple of issues with this. 1. Someone has to want to take him. 2. The player has to want to go.

We’ve seen from our recent past ‘moving’ players on from our squad isn’t easy.
 
It's like Donny van de Beek all over again I feel like with Mount.

Really thought he'd do well in one of the 10s, really want the signing to work, but looks destined to fail.

Has had a number of cameos now off the bench and failed to do anything of note.
 
Our best hope is that having an offseason and preseason within the team can restore him to something of the player he was with Chelsea.
 
EdinburghDevil said:
It's like Donny van de Beek all over again I feel like with Mount.

Really thought he'd do well in one of the 10s, really want the signing to work, but looks destined to fail.

Has had a number of cameos now off the bench and failed to do anything of note.
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just even more expensive
 
Would have been available for free within one year, had shown signs of regression, didn't suit the CM role that we were looking for and was injury prone, yet our old board and Ten Hag thought it would be a great idea to sign him for 60m, give him high salary and the no.7 shirt.
 
I have never understood what Mason Mount was meant to be as a player, not a midfielder, not an attacker, not impressive defensively, not impressive in terms of goals and assists. When he used to play for Chelsea I always asks, what does this guy actually do? Now that he plays for United, I still have no fecking clue. I mean he seems like a nice enough guy and I feel for him and his injuries, but I just don't understand what he brings to the pitch as a footballer.
 
aeh1991 said:
Would have been available for free within one year, had shown signs of regression, didn't suit the CM role that we were looking for and was injury prone, yet our old board and Ten Hag thought it would be a great idea to sign him for 60m, give him high salary and the no.7 shirt.
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The 7 shirt really hurts as a fan.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
I have never understood what Mason Mount was meant to be as a player, not a midfielder, not an attacker, not impressive defensively, not impressive in terms of goals and assists. When he used to play for Chelsea I always asks, what does this guy actually do? Now that he plays for United, I still have no fecking clue. I mean he seems like a nice enough guy and I feel for him and his injuries, but I just don't understand what he brings to the pitch as a footballer.
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To be fair he was one of their best players, though a few of his goals/assists there came from set pieces. The system worked well for him, and think he was a bit more lean, agile and quick there compared to now.

However he was never able to replicate it for England, and even in his Chelsea form, I would never want him to be a starter for us. He's just not that good. Currently he benefits from English hype and English protection more than everyone. Constantly so many excuses made for him, even to this day.
 
EdinburghDevil said:
It's like Donny van de Beek all over again I feel like with Mount.

Really thought he'd do well in one of the 10s, really want the signing to work, but looks destined to fail.

Has had a number of cameos now off the bench and failed to do anything of note.
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He missed almost 2 season and rarely played a full game since he joined us.
If he manages to stay injury free it will take him at least 1 full season to even resemble the player he was at Chelsea. Chances for that to happen are very slim though.
 
bgoodall said:
Our best hope is that having an offseason and preseason within the team can restore him to something of the player he was with Chelsea.
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If he can stay injury free, I’d imagine next season will be a massive improvement

That’s the issue though. We’ve bought yet another crock
 
This is probably the longest he's gone without getting injured since he joined. Which isn't long, sure. But it's still so. If he is fine to the end of the season, he has to be given pre-season IMO. He hasn't got going at all yet and I'd rather give him one more chance to get going.
 
aeh1991 said:
Would have been available for free within one year, had shown signs of regression, didn't suit the CM role that we were looking for and was injury prone, yet our old board and Ten Hag thought it would be a great idea to sign him for 60m, give him high salary and the no.7 shirt.
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This is the part of the equation that bothers me most -- Mason would have been available on a free transfer within a year. Perhaps another club would have swooped in for his signature so I get wanting to get a deal done, but we were in the stronger position and could have knocked the transfer fee down to 25-30m instead of a monster 60m as Chelsea were desperate to move him on.

As for all the other points, also all true. There were already worrying signs, signs United management negligently and willfully ignored.
 
Utterly De Ligt'd said:
I have never understood what Mason Mount was meant to be as a player, not a midfielder, not an attacker, not impressive defensively, not impressive in terms of goals and assists. When he used to play for Chelsea I always asks, what does this guy actually do? Now that he plays for United, I still have no fecking clue. I mean he seems like a nice enough guy and I feel for him and his injuries, but I just don't understand what he brings to the pitch as a footballer.
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He had a goal or assist every 100 minutes for Chelsea 3 seasons ago. He was one of the best and most prolific attackers in the league. That's what he did.
 
lex talionis said:
This is the part of the equation that bothers me most -- Mason would have been available on a free transfer within a year. Perhaps another club would have swooped in for his signature so I get wanting to get a deal done, but we were in the stronger position and could have knocked the transfer fee down to 25-30m instead of a monster 60m as Chelsea were desperate to move him on.

As for all the other points, also all true. There were already worrying signs, signs United management negligently and willfully ignored.
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Also incredibly stupid to give them the money to finance Caicedo and later Palmer instead of going for them ourselves.
 
Olecurls99 said:
He had a goal or assist every 100 minutes for Chelsea 3 seasons ago. He was one of the best and most prolific attackers in the league. That's what he did.
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Right, but the only role for Mason was Bruno's role...and Mason just isn't and never was in the same league, metaphorically speaking, as Bruno.
 
lex talionis said:
This is the part of the equation that bothers me most -- Mason would have been available on a free transfer within a year. Perhaps another club would have swooped in for his signature so I get wanting to get a deal done, but we were in the stronger position and could have knocked the transfer fee down to 25-30m instead of a monster 60m as Chelsea were desperate to move him on.

As for all the other points, also all true. There were already worrying signs, signs United management negligently and willfully ignored.
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Im convinced ETH got kickbacks from the signings he made.


No way he genuinely thought 60 for Mount, 85 for Antony, 75 for Rasmus and 50 for Onana is a good deal. Surely was getting 25% of that in some off shore account
 
Ghostrider318 said:
Im convinced ETH got kickbacks from the signings he made.


No way he genuinely thought 60 for Mount, 85 for Antony, 75 for Rasmus and 50 for Onana is a good deal. Surely was getting 25% of that in some off shore account
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I’ve made an annoying amount of posts about this but it’s shocking the fact ETH’s own agent and best mate was responsible for most of these transfers and the higher the fee went the bigger the cut

Should have been investigated properly at the time or retrospectively
 
Ghostrider318 said:
Im convinced ETH got kickbacks from the signings he made.


No way he genuinely thought 60 for Mount, 85 for Antony, 75 for Rasmus and 50 for Onana is a good deal. Surely was getting 25% of that in some off shore account
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The same thought has crossed my mind many times, though I am not aware of any financial self-dealing by ETH. That said, there’s enough stupidity with these transfer to at least investigate ETH and whether he enjoyed a windfall at the club’s expense.
 
lex talionis said:
The same thought has crossed my mind many times, though I am not aware of any financial self-dealing by ETH. That said, there’s enough stupidity with these transfer to at least investigate ETH and whether he enjoyed a windfall at the club’s expense.
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I think its called the United 'tax'
 
sglowrider said:
I think its called the United 'tax'
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I thought Ten Hag's own agent, Vos, was involved in several signings, including Hojlund. This has been widely commented on and questioned. More generally we seem to allow agents to dictate many of our deals, certainly was the case under Mourinho.
 
We are stuck with him , hopefully he stays fit and can get a full pre season and see what he can offer.
 
lex talionis said:
Right, but the only role for Mason was Bruno's role...and Mason just isn't and never was in the same league, metaphorically speaking, as Bruno.
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The plan seemed to be to play him and Bruno together with Casemiro in behind them.
 
aeh1991 said:
Would have been available for free within one year, had shown signs of regression, didn't suit the CM role that we were looking for and was injury prone, yet our old board and Ten Hag thought it would be a great idea to sign him for 60m, give him high salary and the no.7 shirt.
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I mean you’re not wrong, but surely this has been said hundreds of times on here
 
sebsheep said:
The plan seemed to be to play him and Bruno together with Casemiro in behind them.
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I can see how that would have seemed genius in theory, but in reality ETH should have realized that Casemiro was no longer able to handle that much responsibility. And that Bruno and Mount together would never work.
 
Gordon'sHill said:
I thought Ten Hag's own agent, Vos, was involved in several signings, including Hojlund. This has been widely commented on and questioned. More generally we seem to allow agents to dictate many of our deals, certainly was the case under Mourinho.
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Biggest giveway for me was a transfer target forced swithing to ETH agency empire otherwise there would be no deal. Then Vos taking over negotiations with United. But without any proof of wrongdoing this is Im afraid a libel teritory so Mods delete these acusations if needed.

Then again, aside 115 Cheats, in last ten years of agent fees spent Liverpool top the chart. They pay players entourage big money even before going into negotiatons with selling club.

In your term Gordon mate "agents dictated deals" United are only 5 heaviest spenders on agents fees in Premierleague. Nothing extravagant considering revenue.

Questions remain about some targets refusing to sign for Vos to make the move possible AND why ETH´s agents negotiated such an outrageous sums for the likes of Hojlund Antony Onana and more. While now 50-70mil worth of players, they were selling way under market value. Shockingly even without any buy-back/sell on options for Elanga and good few others.

Bit ironic but United actually shoul spend more bribing agents like others do. Tappin up aggresively. Making sure your man and his people are in the bag before you open an actuall negotiations with the selling club. No chance of a bidding war. Probably why some scousers purchases looked out of blue, done in 3 Ornstein tweets inside 24 hours.

Would definitely keep Wilcox, and Vivel, no matter what reshape above and around them might happen during summer. Berrada looked distraught beside Jimmy at 0:1 the other day. My money is on Omar going two footed into transfer window buying Ruben up to 7 new players. 3-4 to upgrade first 11, a couple role players for rotation and 2-3 great prospects like Chido and Heaven.
 
Brand Nubian said:
Biggest giveway for me was a transfer target forced swithing to ETH agency empire otherwise there would be no deal. Then Vos taking over negotiations with United. But without any proof of wrongdoing this is Im afraid a libel teritory so Mods delete these acusations if needed.

Then again, aside 115 Cheats, in last ten years of agent fees spent Liverpool top the chart. They pay players entourage big money even before going into negotiatons with selling club.

In your term Gordon mate "agents dictated deals" United are only 5 heaviest spenders on agents fees in Premierleague. Nothing extravagant considering revenue.

Questions remain about some targets refusing to sign for Vos to make the move possible AND why ETH´s agents negotiated such an outrageous sums for the likes of Hojlund Antony Onana and more. While now 50-70mil worth of players, they were selling way under market value. Shockingly even without any buy-back/sell on options for Elanga and good few others.

Bit ironic but United actually shoul spend more bribing agents like others do. Tappin up aggresively. Making sure your man and his people are in the bag before you open an actuall negotiations with the selling club. No chance of a bidding war. Probably why some scousers purchases looked out of blue, done in 3 Ornstein tweets inside 24 hours.

Would definitely keep Wilcox, and Vivel, no matter what reshape above and around them might happen during summer. Berrada looked distraught beside Jimmy at 0:1 the other day. My money is on Omar going two footed into transfer window buying Ruben up to 7 new players. 3-4 to upgrade first 11, a couple role players for rotation and 2-3 great prospects like Chido and Heaven.
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I seriously doubt that ETH benefited financially through these transfers.

However, I think it’s clear that his involvement meant the club didn’t question the demands of the selling clubs or the ask from the agency, and completely neglected their duty to ensure we were paying reasonable fees. No compliance, no checks, diligence - good example of an empire about to crumble due to its complete indulgence.

There are some parallels with Leeds under Risdale, and in particular the Seth Johnson debacle.
 
30 minutes against a team with 10 men, and the only think he did was some poor passes.
 
How is he wearing number 7, that's devastating.
Much worse to see it on his back than even the likes of Alexis and Depay...
 
Sell him, worst player on the pitch by a mile despite having a run around in the second half. All this talk about him coming good is nonchalant.

You've got better chance of Eden Hazard coming back and tearing up the league than Mount even resembling a player half the value of his transfer fee. Garbage.
 
Needs to be sold, if we want to be efficient. He had 3 chances to put someone through with not the hardest passes in the world and he messed up all three.
 
I'm a big critic of Mount, think he's a fairly ordinary player. But these games are a little unfair to judge the guy. He's returning from a long list of injuries and setbacks. He's going to need some time to regain match sharpness. If he still plays like this next season then we can worry.
 
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