[Godfather]

He is so incredibly slow which is frustrating. But at least he looked sharper yesterday than in Wednesday

 

[OleGunnar20]

If we can loan / sell him it needs to happen I think, though I'm guessing it'd be a PSR loss?

I'd bet there are lads in the youth who could step up and offer more than him at this point, while costing a fraction of the wages and being all upside. I'm sure we'd all prefer to see a Moorhouse, Fletcher or Mantato getting those minutes next year, especially given there's no Europe.

 

[Giggsyking]

If we can loan / sell him it needs to happen I think, though I'm guessing it'd be a PSR loss?

I'd bet there are lads in the youth who could step up and offer more than him at this point, while costing a fraction of the wages and being all upside. I'm sure we'd all prefer to see a Moorhouse, Fletcher or Mantato getting those minutes next year, especially given there's no Europe.

It should absolutely be them getting the minutes instead.

 

[Fortitude]

I understand the frustration regarding him even being bought in the first place, but a lot of the criticism he gets in here is of the strawman variety - people slamming him for not being the player they have made him up to be in their own heads, thus holding him to an imaginary, non-applicable standard, especially in terms of individualism.

Mount is one of the premier system players in the country. That is his lane and his thing. Without the system setup just right, he is going to struggle. Badly.

The more things work with the correct personnel in Amorim's set up, the better Mount will look - if we somehow manage to become a well oiled machine, Mount will "suddenly" become one of the most outstanding cogs.

He has next to no utility in chaos or dysfunction. It's as simple as that.

 

[Tallis]

I don't think he is a bad or useless player but we should look to sell him before he gets the next injury. He now has at least a short period of fitness. Should capitalize and sell him.

 

[mikeyt]

He is so incredibly slow which is frustrating. But at least he looked sharper yesterday than in Wednesday

Agreed, and because of that he picks up such needless yellow cards. I never understood Mount in the England team when Southgate was drooling over him and his stock was arguably as high as it has ever been. He was a nothing player who played in the number 10 role because of his defensive capabilities. That concept is in my mind crazy.

When you then look at our set up of 3-4-2-1, it's imperative that the number 10s can create, score goals, and link play. Mount does very little of any of this. If Amorim sticks by him, and he's said he's a big fan of Mount, I can honestly seeing it being his final downfall.

Mount is the definition of mediocrity that we need to get away from, plus his wages are insane!

 

[Giggsyking]

I understand the frustration regarding him even being bought in the first place, but a lot of the criticism he gets in here is of the strawman variety - people slamming him for not being the player they have made him up to be in their own heads, thus holding him to an imaginary, non-applicable standard, especially in terms of individualism.

Mount is one of the premier system players in the country. That is his lane and his thing. Without the system setup just right, he is going to struggle. Badly.

The more things work with the correct personnel in Amorim's set up, the better Mount will look - if we somehow manage to become a well oiled machine, Mount will "suddenly" become one of the most outstanding cogs.

He has next to no utility in chaos or dysfunction. It's as simple as that.

I understand your logic, but this is in my opinion a way to justify how bad at football he looks, its a subjective measurement tool that the people defending this signing will always push away criticism.

I can say the same thing about every single failed transfer we had in the last 10 years.

"Well oiled machine around him and he would look like world class", My problem with this statement is absolving Mount from his shortcomings.

 

[Fortitude]

I understand your logic, but this is in my opinion a way to justify how bad at football he looks, its a subjective measurement tool that the people defending this signing will always push away criticism.

I can say the same thing about every single failed transfer we had in the last 10 years.

"Well oiled machine around him and he would look like world class", My problem with this statement is absolving Mount from his shortcomings.

I've not once defended the signing (check my initial posts when we were linked or when he signed), but I've always had a crystal clear idea of what kind of player he is and what he does or does not offer as well as where to expect him to thrive. Outside of those parameters I feel people bark way up the wrong tree expecting anything from him.

You buy an ultimate system player, he has to be used within the confines of well oiled and working system, otherwise he's of little use. I don't think that's a revelation and it will be how his whole career plays out for my money.

 

[Giggsyking]

Agreed, and because of that he picks up such needless yellow cards. I never understood Mount in the England team when Southgate was drooling over him and his stock was arguably as high as it has ever been. He was a nothing player who played in the number 10 role because of his defensive capabilities. That concept is in my mind crazy.

When you then look at our set up of 3-4-2-1, it's imperative that the number 10s can create, score goals, and link play. Mount does very little of any of this. If Amorim sticks by him, and he's said he's a big fan of Mount, I can honestly seeing it being his final downfall.

Mount is the definition of mediocrity that we need to get away from, plus his wages are insane!

Exactly, but Amorim is not stupid, that's why he wants 2 new numbers 10 despite the fact we already have 2 because he himself see what Mount is.

 

[fps]

Basically an English Donny. Only redeemable quality - he's homegrown.

Nailed it.

 

[RedSky]

Let's see how he does with a genuine pre season behind him and hopefully without any knocks. I don't overly rate him but I think it's a bit unfair to judge him on the previous few weeks as I'm sure his main objective was to navigate through the first 10-15 apps without breaking down again.

If he struggles next Season then he will probably be sold in 25/26.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Let's see how he does with a genuine pre season behind him and hopefully without any knocks. I don't overly rate him but I think it's a bit unfair to judge him on the previous few weeks as I'm sure his main objective was to navigate through the first 10-15 apps without breaking down again.

If he struggles next Season then he will probably be sold in 25/26.

If he struggles next season we'll be stuck with him until the end of his contract, as he'll be unsellable at that point

 

[Poborsky's hair]

He is so incredibly slow which is frustrating. But at least he looked sharper yesterday than in Wednesday

That's not true. he's not winger fast but pretty rapid going through the middle. Actually looked like he didn't lose too much pace when featured. If he somehow manages to stay fit I am sure he will have a decent season in functional Amorim's system. People will be surprised. He's a decent carrier, creator and shooter but too well-round for someone to notice. He can get stuck in and press too. He's kinda full package who will thrive in a good system. It's not like he didn't show that already for Chelsea. He's backed by the manager. No excuses for him the next season though.

 

[ItDoesntEvenMata]

It should absolutely be them getting the minutes instead.

It shouldn't.

I'd rather see the player who was a pivotal part of a Champions League winning side and has had a double figures goals and assist season in the Prem play over some kids.

He's been horrifically unlucky with injuries since coming here and if he can stay fit, which the medical department will have a good idea about, then he's absolutely more of good call to give minutes than those. He's barely started and had a run

 

[Giggsyking]

It shouldn't.

I'd rather see the player who was a pivotal part of a Champions League winning side and has had a double figures goals and assist season in the Prem play over some kids.

He's been horrifically unlucky with injuries since coming here and if he can stay fit, which the medical department will have a good idea about, then he's absolutely more of good call to give minutes than those. He's barely started and had a run

Sorry but I disagree, I would rather give an academy product his minutes specially they do not cost us 13m annually to do nothing. Cup competitions can deceive and cloud our judgment. Would you make Kai Havertz our main striker too? He was also the main reason Chelsea won that CL.

 

[Giggsyking]

Let's see how he does with a genuine pre season behind him and hopefully without any knocks. I don't overly rate him but I think it's a bit unfair to judge him on the previous few weeks as I'm sure his main objective was to navigate through the first 10-15 apps without breaking down again.

If he struggles next Season then he will probably be sold in 25/26.

We can not give player their enitre contract to prove themselves and that include players out with injuries becuase that in itslef is gugantic red flag. Mount did not only fail to convince us that he is physically able to stay fit, but also as player he could not prove he is a good one too. Next season when he flops/get injuried we will be stuck with him until he leaves the club on a free in 3 years.

 

[ItDoesntEvenMata]

Sorry but I disagree, I would rather give an academy product his minutes specially they do not cost us 13m annually to do nothing. Cup competitions can deceive and cloud our judgment. Would you make Kai Havertz our main striker too? He was also the main reason Chelsea won that CL.

I'd play Havertz over any of those kids named above. Yeah.

Havertz is better than any of our attacking players bar Bruno too. Amad and Garnacho have the potential to be better. He'd be a nailed on starter for us.

 

[RedSky]

We can not give player their enitre contract to prove themselves and that include players out with injuries becuase that in itslef is gugantic red flag. Mount did not only fail to convince us that he is physically able to stay fit, but also as player he could not prove he is a good one too. Next season when he flops/get injuried we will be stuck with him until he leaves the club on a free in 3 years.

Nobody will want to take him on, he's on high wages having had significant injury issues. It's just day dreaming assuming we'd be able to sell him for any kind of decent fee. Given he's only just come back from injuries I thought he did ok in recent games and as I said before, i've been highly critical of the guy in the past but as a player you're not able to flick a switch and come back from 8 months out and immediately play well. Just shitty, unrealistic expectation by people with zero knowledge of sport or injury rehab. As for his contract, it expires in 2028 with a 1 year option. So even if he stays next season by the time it comes round to the Summer he'd still technically have 3 years left.

I think he'll do ok if he can stay fit next year. A solid rotation choice for Cunha. If he continues to struggle, then he can be sold next season.

 

[Giggsyking]

I'd play Havertz over any of those kids named above. Yeah

That was not my question. But anyway, I would not.

 

[Marwood]

Basically an English Donny. Only redeemable quality - he's homegrown.

Nah come on he's better than that.

Just the first half vs Villa was way more than Donny ever did.

His big problem is drifting out of games but he's a talented player. If he stays fit he will be of use.

The injuries and signing him when Bruno was the lone 10 have created huge negativity around him. Hopefully both those issues gone now.

 

[Giggsyking]

Nobody will want to take him on, he's on high wages having had significant injury issues. It's just day dreaming assuming we'd be able to sell him for any kind of decent fee. Given he's only just come back from injuries I thought he did ok in recent games and as I said before, i've been highly critical of the guy in the past but as a player you're not able to flick a switch and come back from 8 months out and immediately play well. Just shitty, unrealistic expectation by people with zero knowledge of sport or injury rehab. As for his contract, it expires in 2028 with a 1 year option. So even if he stays next season by the time it comes round to the Summer he'd still technically have 3 years left.

I think he'll do ok if he can stay fit next year. A solid rotation choice for Cunha. If he continues to struggle, then he can be sold next season.

You don't need to sell him right away. He can be loaned out with an option to sell.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

He is so incredibly slow which is frustrating. But at least he looked sharper yesterday than in Wednesday

Haha you must think Mainoo is a snail then.

 

[ItDoesntEvenMata]

That was not my question. But anyway, I would not.

I would make Havertz our main striker out of the current options we have. Yes

 

[Godfather]

Haha you must think Mainoo is a snail then.

I do

 

[mctrials23]

He has potential but only if he can stay fit. Hes not a game changer per-se. Hes not going to drag you kicking and screaming through matches. Never has done. Of course he will win you games like any other player but hes a system player. You tell him to do X and he will try and do it to the best of his ability. In a well functioning team that suits him he is a great asset. If you put him in an underperforming team thats tactically a mess you will see a player who looks lost and doesn't really have a huge number of good qualities.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

I do

Me too mate. Me too.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

He's ok, but he was such an unnecessary signing. If he was a free signing, sure, why not? But the amount of money, time and energy we spent on getting him that summer! I think the Scousers were after him too, we should have let them have him!

 

[Member 130557]

I'm sure we'd all prefer to see a Moorhouse, Fletcher or Mantato getting those minutes next year, especially given there's no Europe.

In the early rounds of the cups, sure. In the league, no, I don't really want academy players getting significant minutes over senior players, unless they seriously impress in the aforementioned cup ties.

I'm fine with selling Mount but not to enable throwing 18 year olds into the fray. Chido Obi clearly isn't ready for the first team yet and is, by all accounts, more developed that those three lads.

 

[OleGunnar20]

In the early rounds of the cups, sure. In the league, no, I don't really want academy players getting significant minutes over senior players, unless they seriously impress in the aforementioned cup ties.

I'm fine with selling Mount but not to enable throwing 18 year olds into the fray. Chido Obi clearly isn't ready for the first team yet and is, by all accounts, more developed that those three lads.

Fair, I get where you're coming from. I don't watch enough youth football these days to know who's closest to being 'ready', those three were just examples of players I've seen good things from over the last couple of years.

While I agree that throwing youngsters in over their heads is a bad idea all around, I disagree that their minutes should be exclusively in the softest of games. One of the tiny silver linings to finishing where we did is the room it gives youngsters to come in and improve on the current dross, in my opinion.

Young players are surprising us all the time. Rashford wasn't deemed anywhere near 'ready' when he stepped in, and he turned into a sensational player for a while there. McTom was a Mourinho protest vote, now he's Serie A MVP. Alvaro was seen as not good enough after his loan and now looks on the verge of Real Madrid.

I think with how little Mount has offered, both in terms of availability and production - I'd be willing to be there's a youngster in this very talented crop we have at the moment who could step up and do better if offered the chance.

And I don't hate Mount by the way, I just think he's wildly overpaid, never our #7 and I'm sure he'll injure himself at every turn. He's also a system player best suited to a role which requires some individuality flair and drive in our setup, not something he's ever really shown.

 

[Member 130557]

Fair, I get where you're coming from. I don't watch enough youth football these days to know who's closest to being 'ready', those three were just examples of players I've seen good things from over the last couple of years.

While I agree that throwing youngsters in over their heads is a bad idea all around, I disagree that their minutes should be exclusively in the softest of games. One of the tiny silver linings to finishing where we did is the room it gives youngsters to come in and improve on the current dross, in my opinion.

Young players are surprising us all the time. Rashford wasn't deemed anywhere near 'ready' when he stepped in, and he turned into a sensational player for a while there. McTom was a Mourinho protest vote, now he's Serie A MVP. Alvaro was seen as not good enough after his loan and now looks on the verge of Real Madrid.

I think with how little Mount has offered, both in terms of availability and production - I'd be willing to be there's a youngster in this very talented crop we have at the moment who could step up and do better if offered the chance.

And I don't hate Mount by the way, I just think he's wildly overpaid, never our #7 and I'm sure he'll injure himself at every turn. He's also a system player best suited to a role which requires some individuality flair and drive in our setup, not something he's ever really shown.

Do you remember the other lot who were given debuts by van Gaal? Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Donald Love, Paddy McNair, Guillermo Valera, Tyler Blackett... I'm sure I'm forgetting one or two. Rashford got his chance and took it with both hands - if Moorhouse or Fletcher do the same then great but I wouldn't be relying on that, or planning to give them extensive minutes in the league. While we might not be challenging for the title, or even top 5 next season (I think we can, maybe), we want to finish as high up the table as possible, surely?

 

[OleGunnar20]

Do you remember the other lot who were given debuts by van Gaal? Cameron Borthwick-Jackson, Donald Love, Paddy McNair, Guillermo Valera, Tyler Blackett... I'm sure I'm forgetting one or two. Rashford got his chance and took it with both hands - if Moorhouse or Fletcher do the same then great but I wouldn't be relying on that, or planning to give them extensive minutes in the league. While we might not be challenging for the title, or even top 5 next season (I think we can, maybe), we want to finish as high up the table as possible, surely?

Oh God don't remind me! Love, McNair & Blackett, what a shambles.. at the time I thought CBJ & Varela might have a chance of being useful squad members. Couldn't have been more wrong there.

Yes of course, I agree. It's all about balance, LVG just threw shite at the wall in hopes some stuck, which was particularly daft considering that was not a particularly strong youth team. This one is quite a lot more promising from what I understand, so hopefully a couple of graduates will have what it takes.

I guess the question is whether you think keeping Mount ahead of a youngster for that backup #10 role will make a material difference to our season, especially with no Europe. I'd suggest no, assuming we have: Cunha, Amad, Zirkzee, Bruno (possibly Mbuemo) to cover them ahead of said youngster.

He's an expensive depth option at best, and I don't think that's a good use of resources. But understand it's a matter of opinion.

 

[Doracle]

Oh God don't remind me! Love, McNair & Blackett, what a shambles.. at the time I thought CBJ & Varela might have a chance of being useful squad members. Couldn't have been more wrong there.

Yes of course, I agree. It's all about balance, LVG just threw shite at the wall in hopes some stuck, which was particularly daft considering that was not a particularly strong youth team. This one is quite a lot more promising from what I understand, so hopefully a couple of graduates will have what it takes.

I guess the question is whether you think keeping Mount ahead of a youngster for that backup #10 role will make a material difference to our season, especially with no Europe. I'd suggest no, assuming we have: Cunha, Amad, Zirkzee, Bruno (possibly Mbuemo) to cover them ahead of said youngster.

He's an expensive depth option at best, and I don't think that's a good use of resources. But understand it's a matter of opinion.

The real issue is that there’s absolutely no way to get rid of him. We are stuck with him, like it or not, so he’s going to be a part of the squad and we’ve got to try and get some use out of him.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

We are trying to buy 2 new Nr 10's - that says it all.

 

[OleGunnar20]

The real issue is that there’s absolutely no way to get rid of him. We are stuck with him, like it or not, so he’s going to be a part of the squad and we’ve got to try and get some use out of him.

I'm not so sure. We all thought the same about Antony before this loan and look how that's turned around. No doubt we'd have to subsidy any move heavily so whether a worthwhile deal is possible, who knows.

It feels like a moot point anyway since Amorim appears to like the look of him. I think he seems a decent fella and a top professional so, hopefully he smashes it next year and proves me thoroughly wrong.

 

[Doracle]

I'm not so sure. We all thought the same about Antony before this loan and look how that's turned around. No doubt we'd have to subsidy any move heavily so whether a worthwhile deal is possible, who knows.

It feels like a moot point anyway since Amorim appears to like the look of him. I think he seems a decent fella and a top professional so, hopefully he smashes it next year and proves me thoroughly wrong.

Yeah, I think we’d all like that. The fact that he’s played exactly as I expected him to play having watched him regularly for England and Chelsea, with the added bonus of also having severe injury issues, doesn’t give me much hope that he’s going to miraculously turn out to be good enough.

 

[OleGunnar20]

Yeah, I think we’d all like that. The fact that he’s played exactly as I expected him to play having watched him regularly for England and Chelsea, with the added bonus of also having severe injury issues, doesn’t give me much hope that he’s going to miraculously turn out to be good enough.

Agreed, unfortuanetly.

 

[WouterWeghorst]

So where do I find the amount performance forum? He was sensational on Sunday and you still only read shit about him?

 

[Matt851]

He'd probably be on 300k a week if that was the case and to answer your question, yes we'd be complaining because he offers/offered us next to nothing. Pathetic transfer and up until this point a pathetic player for us.

Yes even on a free he would have been a bad signing on those wages

 

[bgoodall]

He gives Coach's son vibes. Probably sits next to Amorim during meals. Collects all the balls during training. Say’s things like, “guys coach wouldn’t want us doing this right now.”

 

[henrysquire]

Need to get rid of this guy.