Yeah, he’s a fabulous footballer.
When did I do that?To describe the last 3 years as "fabulous" is quite a take.
He won't stay fit.
Whether Mount is considered as midfield option or not doesn't change a thing. We are after a completely different type of player to be most likely a backup for Santos.I hope we will still get another midfielder regardless, simply because of his fitness issue. But I can see Ineos using him as a reason to not sign another midfielder.
Hope you are rightIt wouldn't really surpise me if he is fit for a large portion of the season. We are playing more games but we also now have more bodies and options in midfield especially if we get another CM in. Mount doesn't need to be fit for every single game. Currently he's 4th choice CM (maybe 5th if we buy another CM);and 2nd/3rd choice CAM as Tielemans can play there and Lacey. As long as he can play his part like he did near the end of last season then he will provide a good contribution. Again, most clubs don't have a 4th choice let alone a 5th choice CM of his quality.
Tieleman's is equally good in a deeper playmaking role as he is further advanced. I agree we'll need a more aggressive player in deeper areas to help with tackling and transitions, but I do expect to see Tielemans used there too.Whether Mount is considered as midfield option or not doesn't change a thing. We are after a completely different type of player to be most likely a backup for Santos.
Santos (+1) --- Tielemans (Mainoo/Mount)
We are in pretty good shape for the more advanced player in midfield two, it's the more defensive one backup that we're missing.
That's fine, but I don't realistically expect Tielemans will cover that much of defensive role over a season. In a backup scenario ("Phis Jones in midfield" type of case), sure, but those are hardly worth discussing.Tieleman's is equally good in a deeper playmaking role as he is further advanced. I agree we'll need a more aggressive player in deeper areas to help with tackling and transitions, but I do expect to see Tielemans used there too.
Almost a quarter of his senior appearances have been in that position. We're not talking about emergency cover.That's fine, but I don't realistically expect Tielemans will cover that much of defensive role over a season. In a backup scenario ("Phis Jones in midfield" type of case), sure, but those are hardly worth discussing.
Banging the injury drum again? He missed 9 games last season to injuries, and all of them were just minor knocks, the last (and longest) one kept him out for a bit over a month.
Banging the injury drum again? He missed 9 games last season to injuries, and all of them were just minor knocks, the last (and longest) one kept him out for a bit over a month.
Yet he played the equivalent of 11 full matches across the season? He was very likely compromised even when on the bench which is why his minutes were limited. Add to that his previous 2 seasons consisted of the equivalent of 7 full games and 6 the year before that, it is very bloody obvious why people keep "banging the injury drum".
Sure, just seems odd to claim he's no doubt going to be injured when all of his injuries last season were minor knocks, and none kept him out for long.Which is anomalous when you look at his overall time with us. Fans are absolutely right to be wary of viewing him as a reliable option.
When you're a squad player who plays primarily in the role one of the best players in the world plays who never happens to be injured or tire, that's what happens. We also found a midfield trio to be working in Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno and Carrick was probably desperate to get top 4, so no point risking it by rotating Mount into a position he hasn't played much in.Yet he played the equivalent of 11 full matches across the season? He was very likely compromised even when on the bench which is why his minutes were limited. Add to that his previous 2 seasons consisted of the equivalent of 7 full games and 6 the year before that, it is very bloody obvious why people keep "banging the injury drum".
Sure, just seems odd to claim he's no doubt going to be injured when all of his injuries last season were minor knocks, and none kept him out for long.
Sure, just seems odd to claim he's no doubt going to be injured when all of his injuries last season were minor knocks, and none kept him out for long.
When you're a squad player who plays primarily in the role one of the best players in the world plays who never happens to be injured or tire, that's what happens. We also found a midfield trio to be working in Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno and Carrick was probably desperate to get top 4, so no point risking it by rotating Mount into a position he hasn't played much in.
Like I said above, all of his injuries were minor knocks who kept him out for a brief period, the longest was a bit over a month. Maybe there is hope for him. It is very positive that none of his injuries were of the kind he used to struggle with before, like his hamstring or the calf injury he had.
He certainly is not average. Often unavailable yes.Hoped he would have been moved on by now. Incredibly average player.
Average player? Absolutely not.Hoped he would have been moved on by now. Incredibly average player.
He missed just 9 games because we barely had any games scheduled due to no Europe and domestic cup games.Banging the injury drum again? He missed 9 games last season to injuries, and all of them were just minor knocks, the last (and longest) one kept him out for a bit over a month.
He's a Connor Gallagher whose decent on the half turn. If he was fit and on form there would still be 20 better players than him in the league either as a central midfielder or a 10.Average player? Absolutely not.
When fit and on form he is quality.
Andrey Santos ?I agree, not average only in the sense that he is our only ‘deeper’ midfielder who makes a good passing decision more often than not - pretty sure that is Tieleman’s strong point too. In terms of providing genuine quality week in week out over the course of a season he’s not that player.
I don’t think he should be a starter here even without the injury concerns so I can see why some people would want to see the back of him especially given the wages.
Like Rashford, his wages will mean he will be here until his contract expires. No club with any sense would take on an overpaid player that can't go two months before breaking down. We just have to hope that he can offer something to the team when he is fit, and that is something that hasn't happened since he has arrived.He needs to give us, the Manchester United fans, a big, big season. That should be all the motivation he needs.
He has the experience, intelligence and ability to play as an advanced, deep lying, or box-to-box midfielder.
Mason Mount needs to get on with it, or he should get shipped out.
I'm not sure if he has the character to be that first XI player.
Of course, it's all about fitness. So he needs to get an stay fit. He is on massive wages and has done v v little at Manchester United. Either he is good to Christmas or he can go imo. We cut too many players, far too much slack.
His body is likely broken. I'm sure he'd love to give us all a great season, but if his hip issue is a permanent thing, then hoping his fitness and subsequent appearance numbers will magically improve, is not really based in objective reality.He needs to give us, the Manchester United fans, a big, big season. That should be all the motivation he needs.
He has the experience, intelligence and ability to play as an advanced, deep lying, or box-to-box midfielder.
Mason Mount needs to get on with it, or he should get shipped out.
I'm not sure if he has the character to be that first XI player.
Of course, it's all about fitness. So he needs to get an stay fit. He is on massive wages and has done v v little at Manchester United. Either he is good to Christmas or he can go imo. We cut too many players, far too much slack.
People on here are re-writing his story. Yes he's been injured a lot but plenty on here didn't rate him at Chelsea, hated when he played for England, we're gutted when we signed him. Look how many good ratings he's had when he's actually been fit, most games he's started he's been anonymous. A couple of pre-season friendlies and the last game of the season against a 75 year old Brighton midfield don't change anythingHe's a Connor Gallagher whose decent on the half turn. If he was fit and on form there would still be 20 better players than him in the league either as a central midfielder or a 10.
His body is likely broken. I'm sure he'd love to give us all a great season, but if his hip issue is a permanent thing, then hoping his fitness and subsequent appearance numbers will magically improve, is not really based in objective reality.
I'm also quite sure the club would've already tried getting rid of him, if there were any takers naive enough to speculate on his fitness. Unfortunately it's far too obvious that he's not a reliable investment for anyone and therefore he'll stay. He's basically Phil Jones. I wouldn't even be surprised if he also retired shortly after his contract with United expires.
He missed just 9 games because we barely had any games scheduled due to no Europe and domestic cup games.
It was a "good" season for him injury wise because he was only unavailable for 23% of games. Usually it's over 50%.
The key is though he was barely playing any minutes when available, which is a massive help to him not getting injured again, because you know the moment he is asked to play he'll be sidelined again. In a world where we play two games a week and he has actual regular game time when available, his body will be breaking down more often.
While I agree with you, we're talking about Ineos here. They didn't show a lot of duty of care for all the employees they booted out.I am not sure the club would have tried too hard in getting rid of him. Fans do not consider it, but the clubs really do consider the human element and fact that they are dealing with a human being who is trying his best but his body is failing him and would not rush to discard him like a piece of meat. Instead the club would be doing what they can to get him on the pitch and also helping to look after his mental wellbeing.
He will likely be here until his contract is up, unless a club shows interest and he manages to stay fit but desires more regular action. You mention Phil Jones and you saw how the club stood by him and kept him on the books, despite fans complained about what a waste of space and money he was. This was because the club, while not a charity, feel a duty of care to its employees and know all of the information behind the scenes and know the human being involved and the level of contribution that these players may have that we do not see off the pitch.
While I agree with you, we're talking about Ineos here. They didn't show a lot of duty of care for all the employees they booted out.
On top of that Berrada's on record saying any player has two years to prove himself and unless they do that, they should be sold. His words, not mine.
Totally agree, a nothing player who if fit, big if, runs around a bit without doing a great deal. Arguably one of the worst transfers, if not the worst, in our history and yes I'm including Sancho and Antony in that conversation.People on here are re-writing his story. Yes he's been injured a lot but plenty on here didn't rate him at Chelsea, hated when he played for England, we're gutted when we signed him. Look how many good ratings he's had when he's actually been fit, most games he's started he's been anonymous. A couple of pre-season friendlies and the last game of the season against a 75 year old Brighton midfield don't change anything
lol! Whatever you say.He's a Connor Gallagher whose decent on the half turn. If he was fit and on form there would still be 20 better players than him in the league either as a central midfielder or a 10.
Thanks champ.lol! Whatever you say.
