Rice
Mount - - - Foden
Sterling - - - - Kane - - - - Grealish
Mount - - - Foden
Sterling - - - - Kane - - - - Grealish
Has a nice look to it. Might make sense given Henderson’s injuries as well.
Probably too bold for Southgate though.
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Has a nice look to it. Might make sense given Henderson’s injuries as well.
Probably too bold for Southgate though.
Yeah I think what you've said makes sense. Foden is probably the better choice with a double pivot behind him that'd free him to focus on attacking only. It might be interesting to see Mount and Foden either side of Rice - Grealish is certainly a hard worker who can help track back in that scenario, but if Rashford is playing on that left wing more cover in midfield is needed I'd reckon.
Hard to go wrong though given how deep and talented the team is likely to be. Not that I'd put it past Southgate to cock it up somehow, mind!
Great minds think alike!
I'm sure he's a dubs person as well *puke*
Yeah, Lingard will no doubt get another call up before this all happens.
Tbh if England are going to fail in the Euro's it's probably best they fail hard and force the FA to act. A comfortable group progression followed by a tame 1-0 to a big nation that barely go above 2nd gear will give us the false illusion we're on the right track.
This generation are perfectly set up for a hipster manager but instead they may be wasted under Southgate .
In order
DM 1. Rice 2. Phillips
CM 1. Grealish
LM 1. Mount 2. Foden 3. Barnes
RW 1. Sancho
FW 1. Kane
LW. 1. Sterling 2. Rashford
Have we ever had it as good as this?
DM 1. Rice 2. Phillips
CM 1. Grealish
LM 1. Mount 2. Foden 3. Barnes
RW 1. Sancho
FW 1. Kane
LW. 1. Sterling 2. Rashford
Have we ever had it as good as this?
He's joint 22nd on the big chances created stats. Nothing impressive about that. The sort of not so impressive stat that leads to not so impressive assist numbers. Under Lampard he had impressive 'pressures' stats, whatever that is, under Tuchel it's the same. Chelsea under Lampard couldn't defend, under Tuchel they look the best team defensively in all of Europe.
He’s be in a SAF team easily. Very good but not utterly amazing player that contributes and is versatile.
Ah dubbed anime where Rice balls become jelly donuts, guns become finger guns and the Shadow Zone is invented to hide death from children.
Big chances created has quite a bit to do with the positioning of your teammates as well and has a lot of variance. If you're looking for something more robust, he's 10th in the league in expected assists (with the 8th highest figure of expected assists minus actual assists). You could easily argue that Mount is underrated as a creator because he's been let down by his teammates.
Just put him in my ff team, that’ll feck em up
I don’t think that’s entirely true. He’s a brilliant corner taker and a lot of his corners end up in a chance, although they are low probability chances they add up. He’s more of a link player who picks up intelligent positions and progresses the move to the attacker, the player he passes to often plays the final pass.
He just needs to work on his end product more but I think he’s more likely to become a goalscorer than an assist king.
I agree with that and your point about his corners is a very good one that warrants consideration. He definitely can improve on his final ball from open play - the 1v1 that he created for Werner that was saved by Alisson mid-way through the second half comes to mind. He should have been more decisive in playing the ball inside rather than taking the safer option and pushing Werner further wide.
I just take issue with the (oddly prevalent) notion that he's some sort of water carrier / teacher's pet who isn't in the team on merit. He's been easily our best player this season.
Well that or that he is a number 10 with poor goals/assists tallies.
I think it’s just proof that as a modern player he doesn’t quite fit into old categories and people who think they know everything want to give him a label.
Really good again.
He seems to be good every time I see him or Chelsea play
I don't get why people were saying he's overrated or not good? Is it because Lampard kept picking him? But that's weird because a manager would have been crazy not to play him
The modern player is defined more by goals / assists than ever before so it seems you've got things in reverse. #10s in the past that had limited productivity (purely in goals / assists) but exerted a lot of influence over the team were adored by fans and pundits in the decades prior to the era of statistical footy. There's really no shortage of examples there.
Mount doesn't control the play nor does he play the final ball well enough to succeed at the top level, in his current role, if neither change. Being a good linkup player isn't enough for a #10, he needs to control the tempo and the focus of the attack and he's never been able to do that, which is why he's so often moved out wide or in midfield. He can't justify a place out wide without more productivity in the long run, so that leaves him with being a supporting midfielder. He can do that well but that's a far cry from what he's been hyped up to be. Which seems silly given it's so easy to compare him to Grealish and see the limitations in his game that should disqualify him from being talked about as an exceptional talent and someone who's carrying his team.
When you start describing a player as someone who can't be defined by conventional roles, who offers all of these intangible benefits that aren't easily categorised or even recognised by the typical fan, and who is exempt from typical criticism of players in his role because he's judged by different standards, it's usually a good indication that you're making excuses for critical deficiencies to justify a flawed overall assessment. The best players today can be judged by most of the same core criteria that were relevant decades ago and they'll still be recognised as the best players today. There are other criteria that are now relevant and new skills that can bolster that assessment further, but players that are poor at many of the main criteria that applied decades ago end up being assessed poorly in this era too. Things haven't changed that much.
The overrated thing is very subjective I guess. Is he the best player in the country? No. Has he been Chelsea's most consistent player for a while now? Yes.
Anyone saying he is not a good player either does not watch Chelsea or is utterly clueless.
He's one of the first names on the team sheet for Tuchel, as he was for a totally different type of manager in Lampard.
I've been reliably informed that he has the most pressures and is top 3 in xg shot creation or something like that.Really? I thought he was quite poor in a shite team performance and he was subbed off.
Don't get the hype with this kid he has no real standout qualities.
First half neither Mount or Chelsea were shite in my opinion.
I think he’s ace, and crucial to how his team play. When he’s not in the side it simply doesn’t knit together well enough. He’s effective all over the pitch, can dribble away from the press, press well himself, and link play well too. He has a good goalscoring record too. I can see why he’s the sort of player manager’s love, as he’s very economic with his usage of the ball in all phases, and works hard off it.
I think Mount is great, he has a huge repertoire of things he's good or very good at, with and against the ball. What Chelsea lacks atm is a forward/striker who's a consistent difference maker. I guess the good things Mount does for general attacking play will get more recognition when there's someone to top off these plays.
Would find his way into almost any team in Europe, I think. Great energy, technical, tactically flexible, scores goals.
He's a very good player. Mount undeservedly took the flak when Southgate wasn't starting Grealish but nearly every time I watch Chelsea he's their best player by quite a distance.
Makes it even weirder Chelsea spent all that money on attacking midfielders last summer.
Makes it even weirder Chelsea spent all that money on attacking midfielders last summer.
gaming nerds and cartoon nerds arguing about who is cooler, hmmm.
There is a hierarchy of nerds without a doubt. In order of cool to uncool...
Actual scientists
Gamers
Adults who watch cartoons
Film buffs
Gym/fitness nerds
LARPers
Bronies
Football stat nerds. The xGers.
Think that’s a slight exaggeration which makes him sound world class. He’s a good player but not enough of a game changer for the absolute top level yet. It may still come into his game though.
Don’t mean to make him sound world class, don’t think he is, but think he’d get games at Juventus, PSG, United and others. I mean get regular games, rather than being their best midfielder. You could say the same about a few other English midfielders though.
He’s very cute.
I think he's great, underrated a lot in England or was a few months ago (hence why Southgate was getting abuse for picking him), but i do think people in England are starting to see how good he is now though.
During the Athletico/Chelsea match, i typed his name on Twitter and was seeing a lot of Spanish people talking about him and out of interest (and boredom) was sticking these Tweets into Google translator to see what they had to say and all was positive, i think he would be a lot more appreciated in Spain than in England, but in England i think he would be a lot more appreciated if he was Spanish :/
During the Athletico/Chelsea match, i typed his name on Twitter and was seeing a lot of Spanish people talking about him and out of interest (and boredom) was sticking these Tweets into Google translator to see what they had to say and all was positive, i think he would be a lot more appreciated in Spain than in England, but in England i think he would be a lot more appreciated if he was Spanish :/
Street Fighter >>>>>>> Dragon Ball Z
Deserved
I think football stat nerds are the uncoolest but you forgot to put professional data scientists and software developers somewhere
I was watching a video earlier, super 6, hold the L. It was a few lads (DT from arsenal) and a couple others discussing who was better, mount, grealish, Maddison or Foden. Mount was seriously overlooked but I think he’s proving himself now, I think he has really shown his capabilities and would get into any premier league side. Good player, top attitude. Really likeable bloke. Unfortunately Chelsea got a good one on their hands.
Thought he would be another Ross Barkley when he broke through, but he's really proven himself. On the way to being a "top, top" player.
on current form I'd probably put Sancho on the right wing (hes been great second half of the season) and left wing could be stirling, Rashford or Graelish ... but that is for sure the idfield three I would like to see - at least in games where we expect to have a lot of the ball (possibly putting in a 2nd DM for tougher games)