Haven't been overly impressed with him in the games that I've seen. Even this weekend, his attempt to block Damsgaard's shot was quite poor. Like Dalot vs Szoboszalai. What are his better qualities?
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I really rate him and he'd be a sensible signing given West Hams situation. Would add a bit of passing range back into the midfield and has enough pace and energy to play alongside Mainoo.
We'd still need a more natural defensive midfielder though, I feel like Fernandes is more of a box to box.
We'd still need a more natural defensive midfielder though, I feel like Fernandes is more of a box to box.
Tchouameni would be my top target, however IF we can get this guy too then could maybe warm to Baleba
What are his better qualities aside from unfortunate block attempts?
Just think with Mainoo being so decent at most areas, you want someone quite rounded to allow that fluency, Tchouameni is such a defensive monster but progressing, passing etc he really isn't the one so it would limit us with only Mainoo able to pass out unless we upgrade our full backs or Martinez suddenly gets over his injuries/
I wouldn't be so sure. He attempts more passes than Scott and Wharton, while being more accurate. He attempts more long passes than both, while being more accurate. He also averages more key passes from open play per game than Scott and Wharton. He also completes more progressive passes than Scott, while Wharton is better than both Fernandes and Scott in that area.
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He reminds me a lot of Joao Neves, who I really wanted us to get out of Benfica.
Not sure if you're being snide. I was genuinely asking what are his supposed strengths? I have seen more than a few West Ham games and he hasn't impressed me. Didn't seem great on the ball, nor amazing at winning it. People here are making big claims, what am I missing?
Everything, it seems.
Tchouameni isn't a bad passer, but it's a very valid question. I see them more as competing with each other for the left sided CM role with Maino on the right.
There is talk of us bringing in a 3rd with both Casemiro and Ugarte leaving. Perhaps a right footed CM to compete with Maino too.
Would be crazy not to try to lure him if the 40m clause is true.
I'd love us to get a new 8, 6 and back up, in the following order, 6: Tchouameni/Baleba, 8: Fernandes/Wharton, Backup/rotation: Scott/Hackney
Tchouameni: 80m
Fernandes: 40m
Scott/Hackney: 40m
160m on the midfield seems a lot but we really need quality to fill the positions
I'd love us to get a new 8, 6 and back up, in the following order, 6: Tchouameni/Baleba, 8: Fernandes/Wharton, Backup/rotation: Scott/Hackney
Tchouameni: 80m
Fernandes: 40m
Scott/Hackney: 40m
160m on the midfield seems a lot but we really need quality to fill the positions
Amazing how many smartass comments this thread seems to have. Good on you buddy.
Even with Baleba in there for Tchouameni that's a tasty summer. Yes I'll be sad to see Anderson go to City and I'd gladly give up the 3rd midfielder to get him but if it's not a goer the rest of it is fairly straightforward
I am more keen on him than players like Wharton, who I think has been horrendously overrated. People talk about him as a Michael Carrick but his passing is nowhere close to Carrick's level in either consistency, accuracy or quality and that is before we even get onto Michael's defensive work.
It's not. It doesn't exist.West Ham confirmed that to their fanzine. He's gonna be a £65 - 75mil signing for PSG probably
Not if they get relegated which is likely now
Tend to agree about the Eredivisie players being a bit suspect. Step up from there to EPL hasn't been good for us. They look good even in the CL but can't cut it here sometimes. At least that has been the case recently.
Mateus F definitely should be considered. Has impressed and has room to grow. He's the kind of player you're willing to spend mid-level transfer funds for expecting a big upside (although mid level used to be top tier). Lots of potential that needs to be around better players to fully bloom. In a few years, probably top tier.
He's the main reason I am rooting for Spurs to pip West Ham.
Not sure what you want from people, if you don't think he has been impressive for a 21 year old playing in a dog shit team. If you have watched him and his workrate, passing, technique, athleticism or creativity, hasn't stood out, then people telling you that he is good at those things, will probably do little to change your mind.
I know alot of people here like him but have we even been linked with him at all?
I haven't seen any links towards us signing him
I haven't seen any links towards us signing him
I believe Sky Sports said West Ham will still want a substantial profit on him if they go down, so at a absolute minimum it will be £50mil plus
Check lastest transfer tweets.
Probably be a lot more noise if/when WHam go down.
I reckon £35-40mil would be enough IF West Ham get relegated. Is there any murmurs of a relegation release clause? Think he would be a fantastic addition.
https://www.hammers.news/transfer-n...r-manchester-united-to-sign-mateus-fernandes/
Even if they go down, West Ham wants £50-£70mil.
Form the article "...don’t think he’ll be £70 millionplus, but I don’t think he’ll be under £50million either. So somewhere in that gap....”
Given they signed him for £38m + £4m, that seems unlikely unless there's a relegation clause. Even if they go down, I think they'd be looking for some semblance of a profit on him.
It's the double Wham-my of relegation and PSR that could force a lower price. I'd be comfortable with a 40 mil base plus 10mil performance bonus though.
This feels like one of those obvious signings we won't make then will complain about for years to come
I watched West Ham last weekend and although they got beaten MF stood out, making a few good interceptions running back but also using the ball very well, he hit a couple of cracking passes out to the wing Scholes style. He’s a real allrounder.
If United don’t buy him he’ll go to PSG or city and we’ll wind regretting it.
Considering we might be looking at 3 midfielders to buy, you throw a rock and you are highly likely to hit one that we're interested in. Especially in the domestic league. I get your point, Anderson and Baleba are the "confirmed" ones, but highly likely he's on the radar as well.
He’s technically very sound and press-resistant—similar to Kobbie Mainoo in how he can dribble out of tight spaces. Think of that profile, but more athletic, with the ability to cover ground across the pitch. I’m not entirely convinced about his engine yet, but he’s definitely an active, busy player.
From what I’ve seen, he’s not especially tidy in possession—his ball retention can be inconsistent—and positionally, I don’t think he’s suited to playing as a No. 6 at this stage. That said, he’s only 21, so there’s plenty of room for development.
In my opinion, Carlos Baleba offers more right now, even if he’s not particularly popular with fans at the moment. As for Fernandes, he reminds me a bit of a young Bruno Fernandes—you can see the influence in his style.
Overall, it looks like a smart signing, but more as a rotational option than an immediate starter.
It must be true then!
Scott would likely cost 20mil more than that.
Hackney would likely cost 10-15mil less than that (only 1 year left on his contract, and especially if Boro don't go up).
Smit's dribbling is pretty good. Not that I'm too fussed about the dribbling ability of CMs.
It is true that his duel numbers aren't great - it's probably his biggest weakness right now. But I do think it's somewhere he can improve; he is fairly strong and does like to get stuck in, the tackling numbers will go up I'm sure. He has only just turned 20. He also looked arguably the best player on the pitch in the Conference League game away vs Palace, and I thought seemed more energetic than Wharton, so I think he can adapt to the PL.
He probably does actually have similar use cases and drawbacks to Wharton right now eg in that his defensive limitations mean he couldn't partner Mainoo in a lot of games, but unlike Wharton he should be at a fee and expectation that means he can be brought in as the 3rd CM signing and so only rotated in during games and moments that are most suited to him - e.g. if United are trying to break down a team parking the bus, in League and FA Cup games when he has a more dedicated 6 alongside him, or occasionally starting as a 10 in games where Bruno might be rested. He also has more time on his side to develop his defensive game than Wharton.
Man Utd transfer news: Tyler Adams, Alex Scott and Mateus Fernandes emerge as possible signings as midfield plans ramp up
https://www.skysports.com/share/13540368
Would everyone on here be happy if our midfield signings were Alex Scott, Mateus Fernandes and one of Baleba or Tchouameni ? I reckon you’re looking at around £170 million for three of those four but with Casemiro’s near £20 million a year wages off the books and maybe bringing in £25 million for Ugarte and Collyer it’s definitely doable on our part.
https://www.skysports.com/share/13540368
Would everyone on here be happy if our midfield signings were Alex Scott, Mateus Fernandes and one of Baleba or Tchouameni ? I reckon you’re looking at around £170 million for three of those four but with Casemiro’s near £20 million a year wages off the books and maybe bringing in £25 million for Ugarte and Collyer it’s definitely doable on our part.
To me thats the ideal summer for midfield, coupled with Lewis Hall (40m) & Wellbeck (20m), that would be perfect, Wellbecknfor experience and cover, and Hall for cover for Shaw
There’s no way on earth Ineos are paying £20 million for Welbeck at his age, completely agree on Lewis Hall but I’d look at Raul Jimenez and Sam Johnstone on free transfers as experienced PL proven back up for Sesko and Lammens.
And what about when Cunha gets injured or need a rest?...
£20 million for Welbeck 
Make it Tchouameni+Fernandes and a cheaper, experienced backup midfielder in place of Ugarte. I've mentioned Goretzka a couple of times. He's free this summer and if he agrees to some reasonable wages, he'd add some much needed CL experience into that midfield.
Scott won't be cheap either. Bournemouth will want at least £50m for him and we need to strengthen other positions as well this summer.
We have Dorgu, Mbuemo, & Amad who can all play LW, cover for ST & LB is a higher priority than LW imho
£20m is what i believe Brighton would be looking for because he signed that new contract fs, but I agree on your options too, we just need an experienced ST to cover so Cunha or Mbuemo aren't being shoehorned there
Great contribution to the conversation£20 million for Welbeck