Mateus Fernandes

El-Manos said:
Didn't realise we were his preference in fairness. Considering likes of Arsenal & PSG are sniffing around
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And that's why I already luv him.

Whoever he signs for this summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see Fernandes developing into the best of all the PL CMs being talked about this summer. He might even get in the national side one day... Absolute quality footballer, in the traditional Portuguese manner. They keep producing them to ridiculous levels somehow, from a population of almost 11M.
 
DOTA said:
Sort of agree.

Id be surprised by Ederson, Fernandes and then an £80m signing.

But not that surprised if Ederson is the cheapest of three midfield signings, with Fernandes being one.
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Alex Scott seems to be the most likely third midfielder judging by reports at this point
 
From the players we're linked with, this is the most exciting one for me. He will make our midfield way more dynamic.
 
L1nk said:
Alex Scott seems to be the most likely third midfielder judging by reports at this point
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This is my prediction.

Ederson
Scott
Fernandes
Mainoo

Our 4 midfielders next season, not loads of experience there but feel like those 4 could all make good partnerships and weirdly enough Ederson being the most unique potentially.
 
RedEarth said:
And that's why I already luv him.

Whoever he signs for this summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see Fernandes developing into the best of all the PL CMs being talked about this summer. He might even get in the national side one day... Absolute quality footballer, in the traditional Portuguese manner. They keep producing them to ridiculous levels somehow, from a population of almost 11M.
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Ya Portugal are easily my number 2 team outside of Belgium at the WC. Play some lovely football and like you said, produce quality players non stop despite their smallish population.
 
Simon Stone reporting that he'd be surprised if Mateus Fernandes deal isn't done soon.

Sounds like it's going to happen.

The question is, who do we get for our third mid? It has to be a DM or at least a starting midfielder who can fulfill his defensive duties.

It's likely between Baleba and Scott considering Tonali and Anderson is priced out. Hackney and Shea Charles too inexperienced and not good enough to be starting week and week out.
 
bringbackbebe said:
Anderson over 2 years ago went for 35m. Fernandes' fair value should be right about there.
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Not really - transfer fees in the Prem have spiked massively in the past couple years. There’s also more hype and more demand for Fernandes now than there was for Anderson then.
 
L.Gocharov10 said:
Simon Stone reporting that he'd be surprised if Mateus Fernandes deal isn't done soon.

Sounds like it's going to happen.

The question is, who do we get for our third mid? It has to be a DM or at least a starting midfielder who can fulfill his defensive duties.

It's likely between Baleba and Scott considering Tonali and Anderson is priced out. Hackney and Shea Charles too inexperienced and not good enough to be starting week and week out.
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Nobody is priced out, especially given that we're not spending as much as people thought on the first two CMs
 
simonhch said:
"Worth" is a weird one to be honest. If he comes in and is really good and has a long career at United, then I don't think it really matters if he comes in at 60m or 70m. Worth is only really assessed in hindsight against performances. I think what is more important is whether he comes in or not, and how the fee might impact other signings. I don't think the difference between 60 and 70m is going to have much impact, if any on our other signings, especially when paid in installments over several years. The range of what we are probably willing to pay for him is likely between 50 and 70m, and the goal will be to get him for the best possible price. But if he is "worth" 60m, I don't see why he wouldn't be worth 70. If he is good enough to be a major signing in midfield, he is good enough period. The final fee is just an accounting detail.

I think he's the best young midfielder in the PL and one of the best young midfielders in Europe. Think he's a huge talent. Drawing arbitrary lines on transfer fees is just fan speculation. A fee will always be nuanced with payment terms, add-ons (performance related), and balanced against wages to get a yearly amortised cost. From a footballing perspective it all come down to whether the player fits the profile needed, and their quality. That's the part that interests me and I think is relevant to discuss. I agree there is a cut off line, but it's pretty fluid.
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I agree about the worth of him as a player of a certain quality. What I’m not certain about, is his level of quality - I haven’t watched him as well as you have. If United’s recruitment team are certain he is as good as you think, 10m to and fro will not be a big issue in itself.

What makes 10m a big difference, is on the price of a gamble - to the extent that it is one. If he ‘may’ be good enough, we have to buy several players of the same general ilk, and if you put in 10m extra on three or four players, we’re suddenly talking significant numbers.

What I would be slightly cautious about, is if he maybe have already cashed in on a lot of his potential already, in spite of young age. He seems to me from the few games I’ve seen to be nimble, but not particularily quick; technically sound, but not brilliant; defensively aware and competent, but a bit lightweight. What I’d worry about is that he seems to already be at a high tactical level of understanding, and how much more will he develop in that respect? His technical and physical attributes are harder to improve much on. Will be interesting to follow.
RedEarth said:
And that's why I already luv him.

Whoever he signs for this summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see Fernandes developing into the best of all the PL CMs being talked about this summer. He might even get in the national side one day... Absolute quality footballer, in the traditional Portuguese manner. They keep producing them to ridiculous levels somehow, from a population of almost 11M.
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I would BE SURPRISED if he DIDN’T develop into the BEST of all the PLCMs being REGURGITATED about this summer.
 
Berbasbullet said:
This is my prediction.

Ederson
Scott
Fernandes
Mainoo

Our 4 midfielders next season, not loads of experience there but feel like those 4 could all make good partnerships and weirdly enough Ederson being the most unique potentially.
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That's (on paper) the most exciting group of midfielders we've had post fergie. Feels like 4 quality players who you can interchange without seeing a massive drop off.
 
Adz_99 said:
That's (on paper) the most exciting group of midfielders we've had post fergie. Feels like 4 quality players who you can interchange without seeing a massive drop off.
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Completely agree, peak together in a year or 2 and win the league (hopefully).

Shame we probably can’t get Anderson but i like all of these players so I’d be happy.
 
L.Gocharov10 said:
Simon Stone reporting that he'd be surprised if Mateus Fernandes deal isn't done soon.

Sounds like it's going to happen.

The question is, who do we get for our third mid? It has to be a DM or at least a starting midfielder who can fulfill his defensive duties.

It's likely between Baleba and Scott considering Tonali and Anderson is priced out. Hackney and Shea Charles too inexperienced and not good enough to be starting week and week out.
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I personally think that people are fixated too much on a “DM”

It’s not needed. MF skill set is very well rounded, he can tackle and then use the ball well. Ederson can tackle. Even Mainoo was noticeably better abs doing more tackles last season. We don’t need a limited player behind them. They are all good players. They will work it out between themselves.

And if we do add another, i hope that it’s another all rounder.
 
DOTA said:
Does he?

I don't think I've seen much at all about Scott from any of the sources we generally pay attention to. Have I missed something recent?
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I thought the athletic said we are monitoring him but I could be wrong. Ederson, Hall, Scott & Fernandes would be a very good transfer window in fairness. Ideally another winger of some sorts but we can't really complain if this comes to fruition.
 
Grande said:
I agree about the worth of him as a player of a certain quality. What I’m not certain about, is his level of quality - I haven’t watched him as well as you have. If United’s recruitment team are certain he is as good as you think, 10m to and fro will not be a big issue in itself.

What makes 10m a big difference, is on the price of a gamble - to the extent that it is one. If he ‘may’ be good enough, we have to buy several players of the same general ilk, and if you put in 10m extra on three or four players, we’re suddenly talking significant numbers.

What I would be slightly cautious about, is if he maybe have already cashed in on a lot of his potential already, in spite of young age. He seems to me from the few games I’ve seen to be nimble, but not particularily quick; technically sound, but not brilliant; defensively aware and competent, but a bit lightweight. What I’d worry about is that he seems to already be at a high tactical level of understanding, and how much more will he develop in that respect? His technical and physical attributes are harder to improve much on. Will be interesting to follow.

I would BE SURPRISED if he DIDN’T develop into the BEST of all the PLCMs being REGURGITATED about this summer.
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I do so APOLOGISE. I can only use CAPS when thinking about Police Academy. Now this first SLIIIDE!
 
People insist on 3 midfielders and then complain 6 matchdays into the new season when Sesko is injured or doesn´t score. We can´t have it all, we should try to strenghten all around the pitch.
 
L1nk said:
Alex Scott seems to be the most likely third midfielder judging by reports at this point
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I feel the template is something like Mainoo + Tonali -- i.e., two complete CMs. One guy is very comfortable bringing the ball out from the back, can be the first receiver, play on the half turn etc. Other guy is a proper OOP monster.

So it's Mainoo / Matty F for CM1. Ederson / Tonali for CM2 or something like that.

doomy20 said:
People insist on 3 midfielders and then complain 6 matchdays into the new season when Sesko is injured or doesn´t score. We can´t have it all, we should try to strenghten all around the pitch.
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Sesko has adequate cover IMO -- Zirkzee, Mbeumo, Cunha can all do a fine job there. I'd like another attacker, specifically a dribbly LW -- even a Summerville would do. There should be budget left for that. Maybe even a youth player on the left would be fine.
 
doomy20 said:
People insist on 3 midfielders and then complain 6 matchdays into the new season when Sesko is injured or doesn´t score. We can´t have it all, we should try to strenghten all around the pitch.
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£150m on three midfielders is unlikely to leave us unable to sign anyone else.
 
L1nk said:
Alex Scott seems to be the most likely third midfielder judging by reports at this point
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I think it's either or with Mateus Fernandes and Alex Scott. I like both but they're very similar imo. I'd probably prefer Fernandes slightly but if West Ham refused to budge below £80m and Bournemouth were prepared to sell Scott fo £60m for example, I'd be happy with Scott. Mainoo, Ederson, Fernandes, and Scott is just a bit too similar for me. I'm not his biggest fan, but with those 3 and assuming Anderson and Tchouameni aren't possible, I'd probably prefer Baleba or somebody of a similar mould for that last position. There are just certain games where you might need a dm specialist. Anderson and Tchouameni are good enough to do that while also being technically excellent, whereas Baleba is a lot more limited on the ball at this point in time. Ederson and Fernandes/Scott are much more box to box energy, as opposed to sitting and staying deep. Totally fine against most opposition, but I'm thinking moreso for your Liverpools or Citys.
 
doomy20 said:
People insist on 3 midfielders and then complain 6 matchdays into the new season when Sesko is injured or doesn´t score. We can´t have it all, we should try to strenghten all around the pitch.
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Teja said:
Sesko has adequate cover IMO -- Zirkzee, Mbeumo, Cunha can all do a fine job there. I'd like another attacker, specifically a dribbly LW -- even a Summerville would do. There should be budget left for that. Maybe even a youth player on the left would be fine.
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Zirkzee will surely be sold. Plus it would only cost about £20mil to bring in someone like Mateta as back-up, with only 1 year left on his contract.
 
Dazzmondo said:
I think it's either or with Mateus Fernandes and Alex Scott. I like both but they're very similar imo. I'd probably prefer Fernandes slightly but if West Ham refused to budge below £80m and Bournemouth were prepared to sell Scott fo £60m for example, I'd be happy with Scott. Mainoo, Ederson, Fernandes, and Scott is just a bit too similar for me. I'm not his biggest fan, but with those 3 and assuming Anderson and Tchouameni aren't possible, I'd probably prefer Baleba or somebody of a similar mould for that last position. There are just certain games where you might need a dm specialist. Anderson and Tchouameni are good enough to do that while also being technically excellent, whereas Baleba is a lot more limited on the ball at this point in time. Ederson and Fernandes/Scott are much more box to box energy, as opposed to sitting and staying deep. Totally fine against most opposition, but I'm thinking moreso for your Liverpools or Citys.
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I get what you are saying but Fernandes and less so Scott are both capable of playing a deeper defensive role, I guess the issue is discipline, assuming we are playing Ederson in games where we need a stronger defensive set up, then 2 of Scott, Fernandes and Mainoo would be very mobile and capable in both attack and defence providing they are disciplined enough to have 1 stay back if the other bombs forward.

Ideally I would like Anderson or Tchouameni but I am not going to worry if it is Scott and Fernandes I think we would be fine and in some ways better off given the greater capacity in attack
 
goldenboy said:
Zirkzee will surely be sold. Plus it would only cost about £20mil to bring in someone like Mateta as back-up, with only 1 year left on his contract.
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I saw some Mateta links but his knee seems generally fecked. Maybe even a Raul Jimenez on a 1 year deal would do in this spot. I think he's on a free?
 
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L.Gocharov10 said:
Simon Stone reporting that he'd be surprised if Mateus Fernandes deal isn't done soon.

Sounds like it's going to happen.

The question is, who do we get for our third mid? It has to be a DM or at least a starting midfielder who can fulfill his defensive duties.

It's likely between Baleba and Scott considering Tonali and Anderson is priced out. Hackney and Shea Charles too inexperienced and not good enough to be starting week and week out.
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Fernandes Scott and Ederson is excellent really. If you get Scott and Fernandes either one of those guys could potentially become the next PL box to box superstar. May as well hedge your bets and sign both :lol:
 
DOTA said:
Does he?

I don't think I've seen much at all about Scott from any of the sources we generally pay attention to. Have I missed something recent?
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MJCritchley of the Athletic (around a tier 2 source) stated we have enquired with Bournemouth about Scott.

We only enquire the clubs once we have made player agreements.
 
Teja said:
I saw some Mateta links but his knee seems generally fecked. Maybe even a Raul Jimenez on a 1 year deal would do in this spot. I think he's on a free?
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With the way we play under Carrick you can be sure of one thing - any striker we sign will be very fast. Cunha, Mbeumo, Sesko, Dorgu, Amad. Pattern? All insanely quick on the counter attack. Correct me if I'm wrong, but while Mateta is quite good at a lot of things (even if this was probably his weakest season in a while), I wouldn't necessarilly think of him as being particularly fast. Jimenez is an automatic no for a similar reason (and also he's just not good enough frankly)
 
Zed 101 said:
I get what you are saying but Fernandes and less so Scott are both capable of playing a deeper defensive role, I guess the issue is discipline, assuming we are playing Ederson in games where we need a stronger defensive set up, then 2 of Scott, Fernandes and Mainoo would be very mobile and capable in both attack and defence providing they are disciplined enough to have 1 stay back if the other bombs forward.

Ideally I would like Anderson or Tchouameni but I am not going to worry if it is Scott and Fernandes I think we would be fine and in some ways better off given the greater capacity in attack
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I think Scott and Fernandes would be totally fine in 90% of games. I fully believe getting technically good midfielers who can progress the ball is far more important than these wrecking balls with very limited technical ability that became really popular after Kante. However, you do get games where you need specialists. If we signed Baleba for example, I don't think he should be starting in 90% of games. However, against Man City, sticking him in there to stifle Cherki alongside possibly as many as 3 of Bruno, Mainoo, Ederson, and Mat Fernandes/Scott, could help us.

I think where I would make the distinction here is, Fernandes and Scott absolutely do their defensive work and press and win the ball back, but I'm not sure they're as defensively disciplined to actually sit back when they need to. There's a big difference between a midfielder who presses constantly and one who knows when to drop deep and keep the midfield structure compact. Ugarte is fantastic at pressing and intercepting and generally running around like a maniac, but he's also positionally inept and leaves huge gaps that the opposition can then run through with just 2 passes.

I see Scott and Fernandes as more similar to Ugarte off the ball (while obviously being far superior footballers on the ball). Mainoo is much better at sitting back and only pressing at the right moments (as was Casemiro, though Cas could do both really, especially in his first season when he had more energy).

Tbf, Fernandes and Scott might be able to adapt their games to be able to do this. I'm simply basing this off what I've seen of them to this point.
 
Dazzmondo said:
With the way we play under Carrick you can be sure of one thing - any striker we sign will be very fast. Cunha, Mbeumo, Sesko, Dorgu, Amad. Pattern? All insanely quick on the counter attack. Correct me if I'm wrong, but while Mateta is quite good at a lot of things (even if this was probably his weakest season in a while), I wouldn't necessarilly think of him as being particularly fast. Jimenez is an automatic no for a similar reason (and also he's just not good enough frankly)
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He's doing okay with Zirkzee. I think he just tries to adapt to the profiles available. If he's starting a Mateta, then he'll try to provide really strong runners in behind around him.
 
Dazzmondo said:
I think it's either or with Mateus Fernandes and Alex Scott. I like both but they're very similar imo. I'd probably prefer Fernandes slightly but if West Ham refused to budge below £80m and Bournemouth were prepared to sell Scott fo £60m for example, I'd be happy with Scott. Mainoo, Ederson, Fernandes, and Scott is just a bit too similar for me. I'm not his biggest fan, but with those 3 and assuming Anderson and Tchouameni aren't possible, I'd probably prefer Baleba or somebody of a similar mould for that last position. There are just certain games where you might need a dm specialist. Anderson and Tchouameni are good enough to do that while also being technically excellent, whereas Baleba is a lot more limited on the ball at this point in time. Ederson and Fernandes/Scott are much more box to box energy, as opposed to sitting and staying deep. Totally fine against most opposition, but I'm thinking moreso for your Liverpools or Citys.
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Then when you see MF develop into a monster midfielder at PSG etc you’ll be wondering why we didn’t go in harder
 
golden_blunder said:
The true price will be around 60 with add-on and I’d be happy with that
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I think this will probably be it. Which I’m comfortable with. Means we’re almost finished with our midfield rebuild for 100 million. Not bad work.

I’ve seen fans of other clubs like Arsenal really want this lad, it’d be a good signing by the looks of it.
 
Grande said:
I agree about the worth of him as a player of a certain quality. What I’m not certain about, is his level of quality - I haven’t watched him as well as you have. If United’s recruitment team are certain he is as good as you think, 10m to and fro will not be a big issue in itself.

What makes 10m a big difference, is on the price of a gamble - to the extent that it is one. If he ‘may’ be good enough, we have to buy several players of the same general ilk, and if you put in 10m extra on three or four players, we’re suddenly talking significant numbers.

What I would be slightly cautious about, is if he maybe have already cashed in on a lot of his potential already, in spite of young age. He seems to me from the few games I’ve seen to be nimble, but not particularily quick; technically sound, but not brilliant; defensively aware and competent, but a bit lightweight. What I’d worry about is that he seems to already be at a high tactical level of understanding, and how much more will he develop in that respect? His technical and physical attributes are harder to improve much on. Will be interesting to follow.
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I wouldn’t take my “analysis” as any indication of the players actual quality. I have been wrong about plenty of players, so I can really only present a personal opinion with a large asterisk. But from what I have seen, this kid is working with the full toolkit. He’s extremely mobile, quick bursting through the lines with great close control, good under the press, a tidy passer, has a good long range pass, can shoot, and has decent defensive awareness. You said he was lightweight, but I see him as fairly strong and combative in a busy sort of way. And all that within the PL at a young age. He looks the business to me. But I’ve definitely been wrong before.
 
Teja said:
He's doing okay with Zirkzee. I think he just tries to adapt to the profiles available. If he's starting a Mateta, then he'll try to provide really strong runners in behind around him.
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He's not though is he? Zirkzee's been dreadful and I'm sure will be off before the new season starts. Zirkzee only got mins because we literally didn't have another striking option. Sesko, Mbeumo, Cunha, Dorgu, Amad were all played ahead of Zirkzee whatever way they had to be shuffled to get them into attacking positions. I have no doubt Carrick has emphasised that they need another fast striker. The issue might be finding one that's cheap since we're probably only looking for a backup. Kroupi would be amazing if we were going for a big striker signing, but as mentioned, I suspect we're just looking for a backup for now. Wouldn't be shocked if we end up with an unknown Senne Lammens type based mainly on data for this spot
 
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