[AjaxCunian]

Would have never thought a few years ago that de Ligt would play for us, fantastic CB. Surprised he is so average on the ball, he was never like Blind at Ajax but it is way more noticeable now. He was quite good at Ajax from a young age.

Has always been poor for the NT, surprised he still gets called up to be fair.

He's a bit like our Smalldini for us I'd say, in out and out defending he's phenomenal. Loves defending, he's huge, deceptively quick, strong in the air. He's a lot more technically gifted than Smalldini was, but still no ball playing defender by any means.

If we can upgrade on him in near future, fine. If not, also fine. He's very good.

 

[Redplane]

Would have never thought a few years ago that de Ligt would play for us, fantastic CB. Surprised he is so average on the ball, he was never like Blind at Ajax but it is way more noticeable now. He was quite good at Ajax from a young age.

Has always been poor for the NT, surprised he still gets called up to be fair.

He's a bit like our Smalldini for us I'd say, in out and out defending he's phenomenal. Loves defending, he's huge, deceptively quick, strong in the air. He's a lot more technically gifted than Smalldini was, but still no ball playing defender by any means.

If we can upgrade on him in near future, fine. If not, also fine. He's very good.

With both De Vrij and Van Dijk being on the wrong side of 30 though you d figure he would have to start getting more minutes for the national team soon, no?

Tbh I don't care if he doesn't. Less chance for injury.

 

[dutchred]

With both De Vrij and Van Dijk being on the wrong side of 30 though you d figure he would have to start getting more minutes for the national team soon, no?

Tbh I don't care if he doesn't. Less chance for injury.

Koeman doesn't like him, which is good for us

 

[ha cunha mata ta]

In a central back 3 I prefer Maguire.

I prefer De Ligt in a back 2 or wider as the RCB in a back 3.

He seems like someone who should be as physically imposing centrally as Maguire but there a subtle touch of softness in his defending that can cause us some goals when he is supposed to play almost as the central wall who blocks the line of the goalkeeper.

Ive seen Yoro for example make more last ditch tackles when attackers get in behind whilst Maguire simply physically stops the ball getting in to dangerous areas.

De ligt is a great first team player but not necessarily one of the first names on the team sheet for me at this moment

However, we have been playing without a goalkeeper & I'm also someone who doesn't like Amorims non symmetrical tactics -

Ie playing a RW as a right attackig mindfielder but an attacking midfielder on the left.

Playing a fullback at LCB and another one at LWB whilst playing a RW at RWB.

It all seems so disjointed to disregard players ability at this moment.

 

[AjaxCunian]

With both De Vrij and Van Dijk being on the wrong side of 30 though you d figure he would have to start getting more minutes for the national team soon, no?

Tbh I don't care if he doesn't. Less chance for injury.

Dutch CB is one of the most stacked positions in world football I have said a few times on here.
With the way De Ligt has been playing for the NT, it wouldn't be crazy if the following players are ahead of him in the pecking order. Not saying these players are better than he is at all, but some have preferable profiles, more age on their side or have performed better for the NT so far.

• Van Dijk
• De Vrij
• Ake
• Van de Ven
• Botman
• Timber
• Van Hecke
• Hato
• Geertruida

 

[AdNani]

Dutch CB is one of the most stacked positions in world football I have said a few times on here.
With the way De Ligt has been playing for the NT, it wouldn't be crazy if the following players are ahead of him in the pecking order. Not saying these players are better than he is at all, but some have preferable profiles, more age on their side or have performed better for the NT so far.

• Van Dijk
• De Vrij
• Ake
• Van de Ven
• Botman
• Timber
• Van Hecke
• Hato
• Geertruida

Apart from Van Dijk not a single player on that list is a better CB than de Ligt

 

[AjaxCunian]

Apart from Van Dijk not a single player on that list is a better CB than de Ligt

Not sure if you have read the post.

 

[AdNani]

Not sure if you have read the post.

I know your saying due to his past performance etc , I'm just stating that out of them all, he's better bar Van Dijk, he SHOULD be playing. I probably should of expanded on it

 

[AjaxCunian]

I know your saying due to his past performance etc , I'm just stating that out of them all, he's better bar Van Dijk, he SHOULD be playing. I probably should of expanded on it

Don't think you have followed his Dutch NT career, he is like the Onana of the Dutch NT. Can't remember a player that has made so many mistakes for the NT as de Ligt.

Then you have players like de Vrij who even outshine van Dijk for the Dutch NT, and not sure if de Ligt is necessarily better than van de Ven, Timber and Ake (if fit). In some aspects he is, in some he isn't.

 

[AdNani]

Don't think you have followed his Dutch NT career, he is like the Onana of the Dutch NT. Can't remember a player that has made so many mistakes for the NT as de Ligt.

Then you have players like de Vrij who even outshine van Dijk for the Dutch NT, and not sure if de Ligt is necessarily better than van de Ven, Timber and Ake (if fit). In some aspects he is, in some he isn't.

I haven't admittedly, I'm going off Club appearances, if he's performed poorly then that makes sense I suppose.

I would say hes better than Ake and Timber at CB as both of those play full back now really and Van De Ven is close but would still say he's ahead, just.

De Vrij must be quite old now no?

 

[Tallis]

Dutch CB is one of the most stacked positions in world football I have said a few times on here.
With the way De Ligt has been playing for the NT, it wouldn't be crazy if the following players are ahead of him in the pecking order. Not saying these players are better than he is at all, but some have preferable profiles, more age on their side or have performed better for the NT so far.

• Van Dijk
• De Vrij
• Ake
• Van de Ven
• Botman
• Timber
• Van Hecke
• Hato
• Geertruida

Thanks for the good colour. Its a nice impressive list of CBs.

I will actually be quite happy if they don't play him in the NT. More rest and less injuries for him.

 

[AjaxCunian]

I haven't admittedly, I'm going off Club appearances, if he's performed poorly then that makes sense I suppose.

I would say hes better than Ake and Timber at CB as both of those play full back now really and Van De Ven is close but would still say he's ahead, just.

De Vrij must be quite old now no?

Yeah, I don't think Timber and Ake are poorer CB's because they play full backs. They earned moves to Arsenal and City playing CB but their managers prefer to use CB's as full backs.

De Vrij is a year younger than van Dijk, and relied even less on athleticism than him. He doesn't start for Inter anymore, whenever I watch him for the NT I am still very much impressed.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Thanks for the good colour. Its a nice impressive list of CBs.

I will actually be quite happy if they don't play him in the NT. More rest and less injuries for him.

Same here, also less criticism. The criticism on him here in the Netherlands can be huge at times, and going to tournaments without playing will not do him any good.

 

[Skydweller]

He could be our player of the season if he stays fit.

 

[JediSith]

Apart from Van Dijk not a single player on that list is a better CB than de Ligt

And if we go on form I’d say De Ligt is currently better, if we go by who was better at the age de Ligt is I think it is de Ligt. My honest opinion is that in 2-3 years prime de Ligt will be better than VVD.

 

[JediSith]

He could be our player of the season if he stays fit.

100% but I have a sneaky feeling and hope it will be Cunha, for obvious reasons

 

[Ahmer Baig]

One of the worst players today amongst others.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

One of the worst players today amongst others.

? He was fine amongst the shit show around him.

 

[IrishMcD]

He is the only one who seems to give a bollocking to Bruno and Shaw when they consistently feck up, so for that alone, he should be praised. That’s how far we have fallen

 

[Bastian]

One of the worst players today amongst others.

I'd say Yoro, Cunha, Mbeumo, and de Ligt are the only players that have looked good this season. Actually, Casemiro too.

Should be captain.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

I'd say Yoro, Cunha, Mbeumo, and de Ligt are the only players that have looked good this season. Actually, Casemiro too.

Should be captain.

I think mdl would've been the obvious choice for captain had we been smart and sold Bruno.

 

[Bastian]

I think mdl would've been the obvious choice for captain had we been smart and sold Bruno.

Well, if Amorim is sacked I'd hope a new manager would do the right thing immediately and Bruno be judged purely as just another player in the group.

 

[AjaxCunian]

? He was fine amongst the shit show around him.

You have just identified an agenda poster.

 

[Isotope]

He's just prone to be out of nowhere near where the danger is. Just quoting Burnley's goal when some blamed Dalot for it, It's just hillarious.

Yeah. de Ligt, Yoro, and obviously Shaw were the main culprits. But it's a lot easier to just scapegoat Dalot. Well, perhaps Dalot could kungfu kick that high cross, I guess

Just look at those "best in class" Centerbacks we have, who were in the middle of nowhere, and marking no one (except for Yoro who ended up marking two players, but should judge the cross better). Just clueless of where the dangers were.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I think in general, he's been pretty decent this season.

 

[Isotope]

Then today, for the 1st and 2nd City's goal.

1st goal, again, he (and many others, tbf) just looked amateur, with no communications. Just standing in no man's land. Again.

 

[Rossa]

Shunting him to a RCB because of Maguire is a travesty. De Ligt isn't nearly as good as a RCB because he isn't the greatest one on one defender, but in the center, he is class.

Been our best defender this season, then Yoro.

 

[Isotope]

On 2nd goal, he's even worse. He somehow didn't even try to defend against Haaland.

 

[Isotope]

Surprised (well, probably not) that no one mentioned about his hospital pass that very close leading to another goal by Haaland.

 

[VP89]

Then today, for the 1st and 2nd City's goal.

1st goal, again, he (and many others, tbf) just looked amateur, with no communications. Just standing in no man's land. Again.

On 2nd goal, he's even worse. He somehow didn't even try to defend against Haaland.

Surprised (well, probably not) that no one mentioned about his hospital pass that very close leading to another goal by Haaland.

We all saw the game mate. He didn't do badly. Could have done better in certain moments but painting him as a liability is a bit of a joke.

Shaw, Yoro and De Ligt both made errors yesterday, but they aren't the reason we lost.

 

[Big Ron’s Coat]

Would he be better in a back four ? Genuine question.

 

[Isotope]

We all saw the game mate. He didn't do badly. Could have done better in certain moments but painting him as a liability is a bit of a joke.

Shaw, Yoro and De Ligt both made errors yesterday, but they aren't the reason we lost.

Those screenshots are from the game, mate. It's not AI created. Memory sometimes can be selective.

He didn't do badly but played some crucial parts on our defense collapsing.

 

[Isotope]

Would he be better in a back four ? Genuine question.

I seriously think he's not good enough if we want to be a top team.

 

[arthurka]

He is the least of our worries.

 

[AjaxCunian]

It's not no mans land, it is tactical instruction as they were all defending a zone and not a player. No one in that picture is man marking a player for some reason, so for you to single out de Ligt clearly shows the agenda you have. It is weird.

 

[Lu Tze]

Then today, for the 1st and 2nd City's goal.

1st goal, again, he (and many others, tbf) just looked amateur, with no communications. Just standing in no man's land. Again.

You are absolutely desperate for him to be bad. But he just isn't.

 

[Big Ron’s Coat]

I seriously think he's not good enough if we want to be a top team.

We are nowhere near a top team. He is definitely good enough for top 6 at the very least.

 

[Isotope]

You are absolutely desperate for him to be bad. But he just isn't.

It would be nice to discuss which part you disagreed, instead of just accusing people.

 

[Insanity]

Would he be better in a back four ? Genuine question.

In a low block, yes. However, there is no place for such a slow player in a modern football team. However, we are far away from a modern football team.

 

[Oranges038]

Then today, for the 1st and 2nd City's goal.

1st goal, again, he (and many others, tbf) just looked amateur, with no communications. Just standing in no man's land. Again.

Take the first goal back to the gap between him and Shaw that allowed Doku pick up the ball and turn and Shaw been caught sqaure on, on the edge of the box.

He's not at fault once that ball ricochets around the box.