Martial thread is a disaster alright, but not because of Mourinho .. or even Martial.
Memphis Depay | Atletico player
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Actually we are angry according to the Sun. This is the headline on their article (I searced Payet on google to see his goal, but this popped up. I don't read the Sun!).
Dimitri Payet and Memphis Depay score first Ligue 1 goals to anger West Ham and Manchester United fans
Very good performance. Could've quite easily have come away with 3 assists. Great movement as always.
It ain't a buyback clause for a fixed price. Any offers that Lyon gets for him, they must first run it through us as that clause gives us the opportunity to match any offer they receive for him.
Playing alongside lacazette and fekhir will help him.
bit soon for that. We don't play Nancy every week, nor Brugge, nor Midjyetland
He still looks heavy-legged. God knows what went through his head bulking up like a madman the summer before joining United.
Probably rode the whole "Premier League is a physical league" thought train a few stops too many.
I Guess we shouldn't be too hopeful or excited for Martial then.
Are you taking the piss? Ligue 1 is far superior to the Dutch league.
Mmm A wet & windy Wednesday in Guincamp.. & this was against Nancy not PSG.
Ligue 1 isn't that great a competition (I currently live in France, so i get to see a fair bit) but that doesn't mean there aren't some great players about.. you might ask yourself why a player such as Mahrez was left hanging around at a second tier club like Le Havre before Leicester found him..
As for Martial, I'm really concerned that we might not hang on to him but imho it was the fact that he had to virtually carry the team during LvGs final season that led to his burn out during the Euros, which in turn has had repercussions on his form and state of mind this season. On the other hand José isn't giving him enough game time - it would have been great to see him getting minutes in the last two matches for ex after his decent show against Wigan.
I am 100% sure he is a far better player than Depay in any case.
Why Memphis Depay’s start at Lyon should both worry the club & player
Lyon suffered another loss at the weekend, their fourth in five matches, all but ending their hopes of qualifying for the Champions’ League for a third season running. There had been noise after the previous weekend’s loss to Saint-Étienne surrounding comments made by Alexandre Lacazette about the striker’s seeking a bigger club, and he unsurprisingly received some boos in the team’s home win over Nancy midweek.
There was also the distraction over the suspensions of Rachid Ghezzal and Corentin Tolisso, both players having been sent off in the derby. Ghezzal’s unresolved contract situation also loomed, and the Europa League, once a somewhat unwelcome distraction now took on greater importance, if not as a means to Champions’ League entry, then at least as a respite from the team’s domestic woes.
In the midst of this tumult, in the win against Nancy, Memphis Depay scored for the first time for the club. The goal surely came as a massive relief to the winger, but is there more than a coincidence that the Dutchman’s arrival has coincided with Lyon’s marked downturn in form?
There have been impressive passages of play, most notably early in the match against Lille, when he and Lacazette played some sublime combinations, but overall, his arrival has had little positive impact. Yes, he did score against Nancy, but with the massive caveat that Pablo Correa’s team, overwrought by injuries, were playing an experimental 3-5-2 with no established centre backs in the side; a thumping victory on the part of the hosts was all but inevitable.
With a now-growing body of evidence, it is time to take a more critical look at Depay’s transfer, offering some context and critique. His arrival, despite a seemingly small sample size, seems doomed to fail, especially when considering Lyon’s recent record with transfers. Depay celebrated his 23rd birthday Monday, so his age his is a seeming positive, but it is important to remember that more important than his age is his experience with first team football, which will have influenced his development more than simple maturity.
His eighteen months in Manchester saw him become an increasingly peripheral figure, reduced this season to only the odd substitute appearance, a combination of the emergence of Marcus Rashford, a new tactical system, and the arrival of José Mourinho.
However, with PSV, he played more than a hundred first-team matches, becoming a firmly-established first team player. Not yet a veteran, it would be unfair to imply that Depay is still a prospect, and in this regard, he should be placed alongside players like Claudio Beauvue, Rafael and Sergi Darder.
That is to say, players who retain some, or indeed, much of their career ahead of them, but also have a significant body of work upon which to be judged. Their signings should be well-informed; Lyon can see how the players have performed in different competitions, tactical situations and under different managers.
They are not yet veterans who can subsume their individualism for the good of the team (cf. Jérémy Morel, Christophe Jallet, Mathieu Valbuena) but are also not so young (Maxwel Cornet, Emanuel Mammana) that their potential best days are still years away.
However, along with that, even if the player is still fairly young, they will have naturally developed some sense of self owing to a wealth of time playing first-team football. Even if that individuality isn’t, per sé, a selfish force, it does hinder to at least some extent the ability to mold the player in any significant way. Claudio Beavue’s issues were larger than that, but the failure of Darder, a player whose arrival was accompanied by less fanfare but a similarly outsized transfer fee (€13m) to deliver with any meaningful impact paints a similar story to that of Depay.
Used as part of a central partnership in a 4-2-3-1 at Malaga, Darder has struggled to adapt to a more physical game in France, lacking the combative style necessary to succeed in a system that favors a direct approach. He may yet come good, but it’s looking increasingly as if he will find success hard to come by at the Parc OL, unwilling or unable to alter his play to fit Lyon’s approach.
Like Depay, he was already well-established, having been a regular for two full season at Malaga, as well as a Spanish U-21 international. While undoubtedly talented, Darder’s struggles to adapt are a bad omen for Depay, who likewise needs to be shoehorned into an unfamiliar system.
Lyon have admittedly tried a 4-3-3 similar to the one that saw Depay’s best days at PSV, but that has meant dropping one of Nabil Fekir or Mathieu Valbuena. Despite the two having struggled with injuries this season, Valbuena has seen a marked upturn in form over the past two months, being probably Lyon’s best player in that period.
Fekir’s success in the past and his standing as an academy product will also give him added importance in the team’s hierarchy, despite being off the boil for much of the season. For Depay to come into this situation, now, especially when his formative years at PSV saw him privileged as the attack’s focal point and he should operate as a fourth option at best for Lyon means he will have to fight a pitched battle to succeed.
A change in manager or indeed in teammates come the summer could yet improve Depay’s situation, and some optimism should remain. However, even in these early days, his seeming lack of flexibility and willingness to subsume his individuality as part of a close-knit Lyon side may mean that he is already doing irreparable damage to his situation in the club.
Thus, by flaunting his individual style in a team stocked with academy graduates accustomed to having earned their place in the side through hard work, Depay is potentially making his ballyhooed transfer as ignominious as that of similarly experienced failures such as Aly Cissokho and Ederson.
E.D.
Lyon suffered another loss at the weekend, their fourth in five matches, all but ending their hopes of qualifying for the Champions’ League for a third season running. There had been noise after the previous weekend’s loss to Saint-Étienne surrounding comments made by Alexandre Lacazette about the striker’s seeking a bigger club, and he unsurprisingly received some boos in the team’s home win over Nancy midweek.
There was also the distraction over the suspensions of Rachid Ghezzal and Corentin Tolisso, both players having been sent off in the derby. Ghezzal’s unresolved contract situation also loomed, and the Europa League, once a somewhat unwelcome distraction now took on greater importance, if not as a means to Champions’ League entry, then at least as a respite from the team’s domestic woes.
In the midst of this tumult, in the win against Nancy, Memphis Depay scored for the first time for the club. The goal surely came as a massive relief to the winger, but is there more than a coincidence that the Dutchman’s arrival has coincided with Lyon’s marked downturn in form?
There have been impressive passages of play, most notably early in the match against Lille, when he and Lacazette played some sublime combinations, but overall, his arrival has had little positive impact. Yes, he did score against Nancy, but with the massive caveat that Pablo Correa’s team, overwrought by injuries, were playing an experimental 3-5-2 with no established centre backs in the side; a thumping victory on the part of the hosts was all but inevitable.
With a now-growing body of evidence, it is time to take a more critical look at Depay’s transfer, offering some context and critique. His arrival, despite a seemingly small sample size, seems doomed to fail, especially when considering Lyon’s recent record with transfers. Depay celebrated his 23rd birthday Monday, so his age his is a seeming positive, but it is important to remember that more important than his age is his experience with first team football, which will have influenced his development more than simple maturity.
His eighteen months in Manchester saw him become an increasingly peripheral figure, reduced this season to only the odd substitute appearance, a combination of the emergence of Marcus Rashford, a new tactical system, and the arrival of José Mourinho.
However, with PSV, he played more than a hundred first-team matches, becoming a firmly-established first team player. Not yet a veteran, it would be unfair to imply that Depay is still a prospect, and in this regard, he should be placed alongside players like Claudio Beauvue, Rafael and Sergi Darder.
That is to say, players who retain some, or indeed, much of their career ahead of them, but also have a significant body of work upon which to be judged. Their signings should be well-informed; Lyon can see how the players have performed in different competitions, tactical situations and under different managers.
They are not yet veterans who can subsume their individualism for the good of the team (cf. Jérémy Morel, Christophe Jallet, Mathieu Valbuena) but are also not so young (Maxwel Cornet, Emanuel Mammana) that their potential best days are still years away.
However, along with that, even if the player is still fairly young, they will have naturally developed some sense of self owing to a wealth of time playing first-team football. Even if that individuality isn’t, per sé, a selfish force, it does hinder to at least some extent the ability to mold the player in any significant way. Claudio Beavue’s issues were larger than that, but the failure of Darder, a player whose arrival was accompanied by less fanfare but a similarly outsized transfer fee (€13m) to deliver with any meaningful impact paints a similar story to that of Depay.
Used as part of a central partnership in a 4-2-3-1 at Malaga, Darder has struggled to adapt to a more physical game in France, lacking the combative style necessary to succeed in a system that favors a direct approach. He may yet come good, but it’s looking increasingly as if he will find success hard to come by at the Parc OL, unwilling or unable to alter his play to fit Lyon’s approach.
Like Depay, he was already well-established, having been a regular for two full season at Malaga, as well as a Spanish U-21 international. While undoubtedly talented, Darder’s struggles to adapt are a bad omen for Depay, who likewise needs to be shoehorned into an unfamiliar system.
Lyon have admittedly tried a 4-3-3 similar to the one that saw Depay’s best days at PSV, but that has meant dropping one of Nabil Fekir or Mathieu Valbuena. Despite the two having struggled with injuries this season, Valbuena has seen a marked upturn in form over the past two months, being probably Lyon’s best player in that period.
Fekir’s success in the past and his standing as an academy product will also give him added importance in the team’s hierarchy, despite being off the boil for much of the season. For Depay to come into this situation, now, especially when his formative years at PSV saw him privileged as the attack’s focal point and he should operate as a fourth option at best for Lyon means he will have to fight a pitched battle to succeed.
A change in manager or indeed in teammates come the summer could yet improve Depay’s situation, and some optimism should remain. However, even in these early days, his seeming lack of flexibility and willingness to subsume his individuality as part of a close-knit Lyon side may mean that he is already doing irreparable damage to his situation in the club.
Thus, by flaunting his individual style in a team stocked with academy graduates accustomed to having earned their place in the side through hard work, Depay is potentially making his ballyhooed transfer as ignominious as that of similarly experienced failures such as Aly Cissokho and Ederson.
E.D.
Is he injured?
No but he can't play the Europa League with Lyon.
He just did a Live Instagram video whilst driving. The guy seems like a total boob.
He might, just might, want to spend more time practicing with a ball....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...United-flop-Memphis-Depay-works-hard-gym.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...United-flop-Memphis-Depay-works-hard-gym.html
That's a bit embarrassing. Few minutes ago against Dijon.
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Christ..
that doesnt seem all that bad. it was a first time shot which he had to put in the far corner and it went narrowly wide? we miss chances like that every day
People miss sitters all the time, I'm more interested in how his general game is doing.
I think he needs to make sure he gets an absolutely top class pre-season in the Summer to give himself a proper platform to perform from.
I think he needs to make sure he gets an absolutely top class pre-season in the Summer to give himself a proper platform to perform from.
I heard he played well but was poor with finishing, similar to Lacazette. Seems to play well against the minnows so far, but he still needs a lot of rythmn and match fitness.
Bad miss, nothing more. Doesn't really warrant the "LOOOOOOL".
Exactly. Forgot who we were playing when Valencia and Mata had those misses that were worse than this. United have had worse misses than that this season.
His performance today is encouraging: he had 3 opportunities to score.
Yeah, too early to definitely judge him: let's see what he does next season
I agree. He had a narrow gap between the post and the goal keeper. On another day it would have went in.
His match against Dijon was actually really good when you look at his highlights.
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Looks good, he's a good player granted he has time and space. Didnt work under van Gaal as the level was just too high but also we played some of the most slow football which means you barely have space to play in. Only Martial could effecticely handle that last season.
Seems like he had a very good game indeed. Constant threat, good to see.
What a crazy game, should have ended it with a hat-trick and 5 assists
. And the pass at 2:08 I think he'll do well there, looks like his confidence has improved massively already since his first game for them.
Very good game there based on those highlights.
Actually looks really good here.
ThisWhat a crazy game, should have ended it with a hat-trick and 5 assists
I think he'll do well there, looks like his confidence has improved massively already since his first game for them.
He's found his level.
Wow. Looks great there.
I don't know he looks really slow in terms of the way hes carrying himself, almost a little drunk! Memphis does shine vs terrible teams and this was no different, however, he does look hella selfish in those clips above, hopefully he stops that if infact that did happen (didn't watch the game) overall though I'd say progress.
That clip at 1:00-1:04 was quite nice.
Just scored again. At home to Metz.