Damn looking up Riquelme's best passing on youtube its not hard to see where Messi got his style from
Messi in Miami
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
I'm sorry, did something in my post offend you or are Leicester fans just assholes?
Ridiculous thing to say. It's not everything but of course it's important
Yeah, that’s why I don’t have a firm answer when asked.
Which was ridiculous to be honest.
You can prefer Messi's passing over Maradona's, but there's no shot it's levels above. They're both in the same tier.
Between Maradonna and Messi is a matter of flavor. I dont think there's much to say, nothing wrong if you prefer one or the other is slightly "condom thin" better
But what irks me is that people from both sides arguing that one is the better because of silly arguments such as "doing it once with Napoli" or "doing it in 21st era where it's easier for attackers" argument. All eras have their plus and minus. In Maradona Era scoring 30 goals a season will be considered phenomenal not even R9 managed it i think. In messi time scoring 40-50 a season is called a bad season. So the bar is way higher. Messi won a treble and it's meh, while Maradonna won ONE serie A or was it two?
Now again. I rate both as equal, slightly favoring Messi because of longevity. It's hard maintaning 40 goals a season average for 15 years for me.
And people pointing to YouTube compilations of Maradona, as if Messi has none. Messi scored 600 plus goals we're falling asleep watching his compilations.
I'm a ronaldo fans btw, but this "Maradona is better. Period" really irks me
Stats dont paint a full picture but 650 goals does paint the picture well.
It's a fact that proves a point rather than otherwise. Maintaning consistency over 15 years is hard. As you grow in reputation teams are more aware, studying your moves, double teaming you, blocking low, even sending hatchet guys to injure you. That's what separates the best top tier footballer with one or two season wonder. They up their game and evolve
Yeah, hair-splitting. Certainly no daylight between them. That compilation That Bloke posted should make that pretty clear.
The fundamental lack of understanding of the era Maradona played in and what 80's Serie A football represents (that being the apex of the sport's defensive organisation, negativity and difficulty to score) is probably acting as a trigger.
You have to weight attacking contributions in that era and league differently, or factor them into what you're presenting otherwise it becomes redundant because, like it or loathe it, there will never ever be a 1:1 ratio between that league and it's difficulty for attackers and anything else before or after. In fact, that era and that league plus the culminating World Cup '90 forced change for the entirety of football, for the greater good of the entertainment factor and to give attackers protection as well as reprimand defenders for truly disgusting, unrelenting foul play, the likes of which players in the latter 90's, let alone into this millennium, never once had to endure on a football pitch.
Because of that era and that league, we have been privy to the attacking growth of the game.
Thank you.
I think that you should re-read my post.
Which is the wisest thing any sane fan football fan can do.
It's not. The debate only happened on paper, mostly stirred by media in search of a Hollywood story, in an era plagued by a moneyball approach and people only swearing by numbers instead of paying real attention to the players they prop up. Anyone thinking that C.Ronaldo was in the same league as Messi understands nothing about football.
That's not to say that CR7 isn't an all time great in his own right, because he absolutely is. However in terms of raw talent, vision, playmaking, passing, dribbling, freekick taking and overall ability, Messi utterly buries him six feet under and he didn't need the 2022 WC for that. They're on par when it comes to finishing. The only thing CR7 truly is better at is heading the ball. I personally consider the latter as one of the best, if not the best ever in this category.
Indeed, even if the debate ended after the 1986 WC, and by Platini's own admission Maradona was the better player anyways.
Absolutely, hence my reaction when people try to bring up stats. That means they're either completely short of arguments or simply don't know or understand how different the eras were, how the teams were organized, the overall style of play practiced in this era, especially in the Serie A, and how difficult it was to score goals back then.
Maradona played deeper than Messi and was forced to get the ball in his own half most of the time. His primary goal was to break the double-decker routinely parked by any opponent and feed his team mates whilst avoiding career ending tackles. Every single game. That's not even taking into consideration that Napoli were a nothing club when Diego popped up and it took three seasons to really get them up to speed.
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Thank you.
Notice how deep Maradona is when he makes these passes, his ability to keep and protect the ball in tight spaces and how he anticipates the incoming passing opportunity.
I can't get over people worshipping a Mbappé and throwing the "word class" epithet at scrubs like Bellingham or even worse, a Bruno Fernandes. That a Vini Jr. is in serious contention for the Ballon d'Or says it all.
Messi is the last of an all but extinct breed.
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Football always had their geniuses and phenoms arriving at diff periods, newer will come, the thing it's to respect the current and the past ones, this obssession on finding the Goat it's the silly thing. We should never be excessively nostalgic, nor praising too much a certain period closer to our heart or taste.
Jude and Killian are certainly world class players and would have been under any period, not particualry a fan of either of them, but they are, even if "world class" it's one of the most fickle definitions ever. Bruno? I hate his guts.
Lately I find more irritating (or at least on pair with the newest social media child ubber fans) the ammount of excessive praise/ considerations for the 80's (my favorite period) and the 90's sometimes, if I read one more time that everything was waaaaaaaaaay harder in Serie A, that Cantona would score 130 goals today, I'll end killing someone one day, I'm getting really tired, while I should be the poster boy to defend and be biased towards those periods given my age and background.
Anyway and just in case, I was just ranting man, not a direct answer to your post, it's just the whole last pages from this thread, and the comparissons triggered this rant.
Regarding your post, yeap I differ to not find those two World Class, whatever that mean, but I get that I also liked more other players in those roles from other periods, I'm just not that negative towards the present or recent present, in the history of the game there were always ups and downs, periods with more emphasis on diff roles, tactics, etc, and periods were the predominant thing was a transitions between generations, like nowadays.
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Messi and AppleTV have ruined MLS for me.
They’ve done a real one step forward, two steps back sort of thing by bending all sorts of rules to make Miami a super team while simultaneously restricting access by putting the entire league behind a pretty significant paywall to pay for it.
It worked with Beckham because it the league needed lifting at the time, but that experiment worked and it had learned to stand on its own legs and developed its own identity over the next decade. Don Garber decided he’d rather run a circus.
They’ve done a real one step forward, two steps back sort of thing by bending all sorts of rules to make Miami a super team while simultaneously restricting access by putting the entire league behind a pretty significant paywall to pay for it.
It worked with Beckham because it the league needed lifting at the time, but that experiment worked and it had learned to stand on its own legs and developed its own identity over the next decade. Don Garber decided he’d rather run a circus.
Maradona is the only one I've ever seen that was clearly a better passer than Laudrup.
He could pick out passes I couldn't even spot on the replay. The height, weight, pace, curl - all of it perfected.
He could pick out passes I couldn't even spot on the replay. The height, weight, pace, curl - all of it perfected.
Some tiktoker (linked below) is claiming that the quoted post is the first ever mention of Messi v Ronaldo.
@Longlivekeano's post also mentioned.
Here's the tiktok:
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This vid is a gem
Imagine playing alongside him. Wild.
His touches look like he’s just fecking about on a training pitch. The audacity of some of them.
Yeah it’s almost incomprehensible to my mind. You get professional footballers, really good footballers, world class footballers & then there’s this level above where Messi operates.
When he is training his body language it's even more relax, almost like still sleeping or with his pillow stick to his head, what defines Messi it's being nonchalant, he doesn't need even the slightest effort to do anything
I wish Barca had filmed way more vids and in an style like PSG did in his time there
The second goal, well many others too, made me instantly smile, it's like an adult playing with his kids and dogs. I think it's Arthur? his face says it all...
220V Messi...what a freak
Messi looked flat against Atlanta at the Benz in game 2 of their MLS playoffs tie. Great game of football and great win for Atlanta
Overrated merchant. Can't even do it against Atlanta United.
A pity we didn't get to see this Messi
The importance of great coaches to let him play like he felt, let the kid be a kid and at the same time he makes so many plays like if he already was an adult
Some of those tackles....yikes
Yeah, but there's also something else that's been forgotten.
You'll never be a technical player if you didn't first learn to play football on asphalt and concrete. Or sand and mud, on a small, improvised football pitch where every inch counts. There's no football academy that can teach you that. Street football, and futsal to an extent, are schools that can't be replaced.
On the video, it's simultaneously incredible and quite understandable why he's the player he is. From 7 to 37 his style never, ever changed. Only the opponents. You can see it in the video, the goals he scored, and the runs he made aged 6, 8 or 10 are fundamentally no different than what we saw when he was 16, 24 or 32.
That's why I'll always have a good laugh at people hoping for a player to improve their first touch, dribbling and decision making when they're already past 16. It's simply way too late. You either already have it or you don't.
Anything else is a half-patch on an open wound.
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The tackles in this vid are brutal.
You've clearly left at least one word out of that sentence. I'd like to think it's "hattrick".
It's amazing how reliably YouTube now seems to feed us all the same relatively niche videos, after spending years attempting to convinve me that I cared about pro-wrestling. (That TikTok is on multiple platforms, naturally.)
Well, maybe not "amazing", but certainly worth mentioning.
The first time I saw Messi's name (or certainly the first time that I noticed) was a minor headline in a local paper: "Barcelona believe they've found the next Leo Messi -- but who the hell is Messi?" (almost certainly referring to Eric Lamela circa 2004). He started getting first-team cameos not too long after that.
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Allowed to break whatever rules they want to build a super team and Florida is still purple. You love to see it.
Oh give it a rest. You should thank Messi and co for bringing some attention to that dying terrible league.
Love Messi and Inter Miami. Still the winner in my eyes
GA Tech upset Miami too. Miami is officially the property of the city of Atlanta