I am genuinely baffled that you can look at his achievements in the game and not conclude he's the greatest of all time, especially considering he's still going and could win another world cup next year. He has the most trophies in the history of the game, the most individual awards, and the most goal involvements in the history of the game, with a total that could remain unsurpassable.
Messi in Miami
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Certainly the greatest advertisement for HGH the world has ever seen.
If what you say is true, then why are you taking time out of your day to come into the Messi thread and call people 'fanboys' and tell them how they should and shouldn't praise him? Is that not also weird?
Come on Pickle, don't go to that extreme, players do not tend to let others take penalties in general, less when at times there is a goalscoring prize at hand and he has done quite a number of gestures of such kind even as a kid when he still had to totally established. He is a rarity in such regard, it's not the end of the world, yet it's not nothing either.
BTW when I've talked about PSG, I've meant it as a message, that I think he shouldn't play the hurted Friend approach and more the "I'm Messi shut up, don't fight each other, the 10 is mine, I take the penalties, don't worry, I'll be more of a provider for you two to shine", and he instead took the I don't want to bother or disrupte, like if he's mere presence would not altered the status quo or how much that team needed that approach he didn't give to PSG. A clear contrast with his WC approach was there to be seen and that also created an issue with PSG fans.
Only in the second season finally Mbappe realized what he had close to him and they grew a fantastique partnership, the thing it's that it was too late and Messi failed to read the room correctly.
At the same time, statswise to take just 4 penalties in that period (PSG was awarded to the very least 15 in those years, or more) obviously avoided him to maybe at least score 8 more goals even failing half of those, it's quite a number.
Yeah, maybe. For some reason the need to obsessively diminish one player to build another up really grates on me and this is the most egregious example of that.
I honestly don't see it as praiseworthy, unless there's a 'nice' reason for it (eg he's helping an MLS colleague to win an award). From what I understand, though, it's more that he's just not that bothered? Also, isn't he not a great pen taker anyway?
That it's sthg. that Messi himself knows a thing or two, even in traditional media or social media, there is quite number of people that monetize their trade by shitting on him and since day one some way over the top.
At times you have a tendency of picking time and again certain posts that are not even over the top, so the fan part also has a thing to do with many of your posts too, not a big deal, yet not ceratinly the best of positions for calling fanboism time and again to others, we all have our good share of tendencies given our prefferences.
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Come on, don't do that, don't play dumb.
At any period there was a reason, sometimes to recover confidence of the other player (Ibra), others to make a young dude collect his first goals (recently), others aiming to directly help a fella to achive a goalscoring award (Suarez). You perfectly understood what I've said and you perfectly know that it's not "nothing" to have a carreer (not just MLS) with such a tendency that has nothing to do to with his ability to shoot them, that by the way he isn't horrendous either and he would have had quite a more number of goals without letting others players take those. It's a rarity that not few times deserve praise and in others like in the PSG case I've talked, I didn't like it at all and (for me) a clear mistake
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean? I totally agree that Messi has his share of detractors. Not sure I ever said different? The posts I'm taking issue with are the ones praising him for something that doesn't deserve praise, but less to praise him and more to take a swipe at a different player. I just think it's a bit weird. Don't take it personally, I didn't even address the comments at you.
Yeah, sometimes he has done that, which is laudable. This time there was no reason beyond he just isn't that fussed. Probably because he's playing in the MLS, has won pretty much everything there is to win, and doesn't feel the need to take pens. Again, I don't see that as particularly praiseworthy.
Nop man, I didn't took it personally at all, you actually kind of know me, we talked tons of times without even slightly going at each other.
I was just signaling that at times our prefferences makes as act more frequently in one direction than other. Meaning that there are plenty of posts with over the top references against Messi or ubber praise for Cris that you certainly not have the tendency to signal them, just that, I expect a single "TOUCHE" as a response motherfukka!
The thing it's that he has done it, even too many times for my taste. The majority for great reasons, while the PSG period extremely stupid and a bad message for the lockeroom
These last ones clearly was to give some argie kido his time in the limelight, to start having numbers under his belt (it actually backfired, when the kid missed it) and with Suarez, he is always procuring to get him scoring, he NEEDS him in the best shape and mood he can (more after the ban sanction).
In this last sense, there is another reason why at times letting others take a penalty it's not nothing, Messi it's also strategic in such sense when we watch his carreer. At times he risked the ocassion to win a bigger advantage in a game, or his personal stats, to give a push to a player that might be struggling or needs to score again, because HE needs him more confident, more fit, and sharper. So that's another typical reason of why at times he let's others take them, risky, yet with a clear reason behind.
At the end of the day of course he can do that because he is Messi and he'll score one way or another, but it's a rarity when comes to this very competitive players, with such an assertive and urge to score, to so many times see some bigger picture, even if at times (because of frienship mostly) I do not share his decision (within games or worse seasons)
Fair enough buddy, always good to chat to you and appreciate it staying civil - increasingly rare!Nop man, I didn't took it personally at all, you actually kind of know me, we talked tons of times without even slightly going at each other.
I was just signaling that at times our prefferences makes as act more frequently in one direction than other. Meaning that there are plenty of posts with over the top references against Messi or ubber praise for Cris that you certainly not have the tendency to signal them, just that, I expect a single "TOUCHE" as a response motherfukka!
The thing it's that he has done it, even too many times for my taste. The majority for great reasons, while the PSG period extremely stupid and a bad message for the lockeroom
These last ones clearly was to give some argie kido his time in the limelight, to start having numbers under his belt (it actually backfired, when the kid missed it) and with Suarez, he is always procuring to get him scoring, he NEEDS him in the best shape and mood he can (more after the ban sanction).
In this last sense, there is another reason why at times letting others take a penalty it's not nothing, Messi it's also strategic in such sense when we watch his carreer. At times he risked the ocassion to win a bigger advantage in a game, or his personal stats, to give a push to a player that might be struggling or needs to score again, because HE needs him more confident, more fit, and sharper. So that's another typical reason of why at times he let's others take them, risky, yet with a clear reason behind.
At the end of the day of course he can do that because he is Messi and he'll score one way or another, but it's a rarity when comes to this very competitive players, with such an assertive and urge to score, to so many times see some bigger picture, even if at times (because of frienship mostly) I do not share his decision (within games or worse seasons)
Thanks and the same, man.
I mean, one need only look at Alan Shearer's comments about how he would never give a penalty to a teammate. According to him, that's being 'too nice.'
Fair enough
What a freak of nature, I really hope he arrives fit to the WC.
Absolutely outrageous
27 goals with no penalties?
Wild.
Seeing how good he still is at his age, makes you realize just how unplayable he was at his pomp.
399 assists...
Effortless, what a freak
Lonely.
He's having it nice and comfortable over there. Its the perfect environment for him to maintain his fitness and sharpness for the upcoming WC.
Just a truly formidable player but the opposition are showing him way too much respect tbf.
Just a truly formidable player but the opposition are showing him way too much respect tbf.
Chests it down, beat 3 players all converging on him, puts it into the net. He is by far and beyond the best player to ever play the game.
That goal is the type of goal good players dream of scoring. He does it as nearly a routine. He doesnt beat the opponents by being flashy either, he is just the absolute master of feint and movement.
‘Not a single one from the penalty spot’, loved how the commentator had to make that point!
He literally scored a penalty.
Yeh after
It should be all over as he said it was his last world cup etc and we would be looking back at his greatness but it's wonderful as a football lover to see in this current stage he still doing this and doesn't look past it which would be so sad and we have another world cup/world stage to perform on in 2026 and younger audience get to enjoy for there first time and my last time
I think the MLS is not the best league, but it shouldn’t be underestimated how impressive it is that he is BY FAR the best player the league has ever had, performance wise. The following players have been in the MLS at a younger age and didn’t stand out that much
Rooney
Pirlo
Kaka
Beckham
Henry
Lampard
Gerrard
Villa
Drogba
Rooney
Pirlo
Kaka
Beckham
Henry
Lampard
Gerrard
Villa
Drogba
Zlatan was pretty awesome there at 35. I know that's younger than Messi, but Messi is still outperforming him while pulling the strings as well. Further back we can add Pelé and Best as well.
100 goals from outside the box, he's just taking the piss at this point.
I feel that if Messi plays until he is 41 like Ronaldo is about to, he will also get to the 1000+ goals. But I m dont see him wanting to play for Argentina after the world cup.
Because different eras have different available achievements and challenges
Which would still put him one behind Pele. Argentina will almost certainly not win that World Cup though.
This is an era specific claim
Ditto
Same as above. We have no idea about the total goal involvements of pretty much any player before 1990
See above.
How is the “history” of the game era specific?
Because stats and bank accounts is a fairly recent thing. Incredible players often played for average teams. Is Messi in a team of galaticos that the refs heavily favoured better than Maradonna dragging a shyte Napoli to dominate the league almost single handedly at a time where defenders were called butchers?
Theres too much time and variation to give it to anyone player.
Look at Mitogp, Rossi just loved being in the sport Now it’s all about Championships. Marquez will prob overtake him but in 2015 when Marquez was in his prime Rossi was nearly forty and had been on a shyte motorcycle. He got on a decent bike and whilst he didn’t win the title in the end he absolutely hammered a Marquez who everyone thought would walk it. For me Rossi the better rider in his era but Marquez(the best this era) will have most titles probably.