Only club Messi would slot in is City because Pep plays the same system.
Took his team to a semi of the Euros, that's certainly less impressive than taking your team to multiple Copa America finals, is it not?Ya no set he won nothing look at his team.
He still took that team to a semi final of a Euro. and constantly qualified them to major tournaments on his own. At 19 he was one of the key players that Portugal went to the Final scoring goals in both the Quarter and Semi Finals of the tournament.
So now AGUERO is not world class
Did you see Portugal in euro 16? shambles. They only got out the group cause of Ronnie. Round of 16 the shot that led to the goal...Ronnie. Penalty shootout vs Poland that's at random but I am sure everyone has seen the video of him inspiring Moutinho like a true LEADER and Captain. Semi finals...Ronnie and Finals he got intentionally injured.
So one of Portugal's 3 best players then?
Ya of Course going to multiple Copas is "better" but is context. Ronaldo made Portugal over achieve all of these years. Bar 2016 we have Never won a major competition ever. Nor have we ever been favorites ever. Our best ever finish at a WC was a semi final. Since Ronaldo came we have our most consecutive good performances and qualifications.
You can Make a case Rui was up there with Ronaldo because we were shambolic in defense and He had to make save after save. So if I had to rank it
Pepe has to be over Ronaldo, Pepe even got player of the tournament
Never once did I say Portugal was easy coasting.
And what has Messi been playing for? Stockport United?
The guy has played in a once in a generation Barca side for a majority of his career and an absolute world class Argentina side for the most of it. Maybe if he didn't bother selecting players for the NT side he could benefit them?
Anyway no use arguing. It's just being dishonest if you think Argentina is some big disadvantage while Portugal is easy coasting. Not to mention what happened to Madrid right after Ronaldo left.
Argentina would benefit a lot from Ronaldo. At this stage, they'd benefit if Messi just sat it out.
They're favourites because of their historic status. Every football fan and their dog knew they had no chance in Russia last year nor this year in Brazil.
Mascherano (imo Arg best player in 2014 just like Pepe was Por best in the Euros)
Rewarded? How about ignoring that he carried all those teams to the finals?
Otamendi? Mascherano?
Much like Messi did for getting Barca and Argentina as far as he did
The once in a generation team which since Messi started in 2004 have lost many important players including the likes of Iniesta & Xavi yet they still won the league by a canter this season and got to the semi finals of the Champions league? Messi scored 51 goals and assisted 19 so still pretty special considering this is not the Barcelona of old.
And what has Messi been playing for? Stockport United?
The guy has played in a once in a generation Barca side for a majority of his career and an absolute world class Argentina side for the most of it. Maybe if he didn't bother selecting players for the NT side he could benefit them?
Anyway no use arguing. It's just being dishonest if you think Argentina is some big disadvantage while Portugal is easy coasting. Not to mention what happened to Madrid right after Ronaldo left.
Argentina would benefit a lot from Ronaldo. At this stage, they'd benefit if Messi just sat it out.
In fairness mascherano was amazing in 2014
He was very good in 2014 yes, but 2014 was also when they reached the final in the World Cup. It's a stretch to really call him world class though imo but fair enough if you consider him one - that's still only one player in 8 positions that he had which can be considered world class during all of his international career.
Thanks for proving my point!He was their best player.
You or someone else said AGUERO was not world class...please dont start.
He is and if he is not you have had a luxury of strikers to choose from. The worst Aguero is still better then the best of ANY striker we have or have had.
Can also be read as Version playing with Messi wasn't world class, if we are using the Barca fans line of argumentation.
Football isn't played on paper, it's not just picking the best players - Argentina's front three has been dysfunctional for years. Unless you think Messi should also think instead of the manager, there's only so much he can do (and has done).
Are you implying that Aguero is shit for Argentina because of Messi?
I am saying compared to Miguel Veloso? is that even a debate?
They wouldn't be in the WC if Higuin hadn't helped them qualify. No one mentions that but everyone talks of it as some sort of Messi vs the world (not to mention Di Maria was also red hot back then)
Messi needed Postiga or Almeida mate.
I am not, nor have I ever been, comparing anything or anyone to Portugal so I don't know why you suddenly are? And you weren't saying "compared to Miguel Veloso", you were just randomly naming Argentinian players ffs. Cédric, Pepe, Fonte, Guerreiro > that 2014 Argentina defence as well by a country mile.
Like I said, that's the Barca/Messi fans line of argumentation.
Shocker: neither of them are true.
Exactly. Useless to argue against because they say "Messi is obviously the better player, just look at him" so they will always find an excuse to why he doesn't perform well.
Messi can still be a better player than Ronaldo even if he hasn't performed as well on the international stage though (which is debatable in itself). I don't know why the two discussions have to be inherently connected.
No the debate is Argentina vs Portugal. That is what we have been discussing. We have been comparing both of there national teams to see which player had more or less help or better or worse team.
My argument was right here:
This is what I initially contested, because it is simply not true. As I already pointed out. I didn't once bring Portugal into the discussion, that's what you were doing the whole time.Sporting CP96 said:
You just have to look at games in which they play to know who the superior football player is. I'd like to do just that rather than compare their trophy cabinets. One Copa America trophy wouldn't make Messi a better or worse footballer than he is. Purely on ability, there really is no debate to be had. Who had the better career or who made the most out of their career, I think that's up for debate yes.
Isn't Ronaldo a striker/forward for you.
Yes but then then was mentioned about the defence and midfield being terrible and had no help to which I mentioned neither did Ronaldo and then we were talking about Portugal and Ronaldo. If you were not trying to compare or defend Messi had a worse national team then it was just miscommunication and I’ll say my bad.
