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Props on the solid post! However, while Messi has had good teammates on paper, look at how much of a letdown nearly every teammate has been (outside of Mascherano). Higuain has been a train wreck, Aguero has been up and down with his playing time with the NT, Dybala can't play the same position as Messi, Di Maria was the most dispossessed player of the 2014 world cup (although I liked the tournament he had overall, shame he got injured for the final).Every player in Europe plays against the small teams, so Ronaldo isn't gifted in that regard.
Also Ronaldo has been playing most of his career in Portugal with companions such as Postiga, Hugo Almeida, etc. He would die for half Higuain.
I think Messi and Ronaldo records are both amazing, but for the sake of showing how the "Ronaldo only has it because he plays monthly against the Vatican" let's see Messi:
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69 goals in 91 games, it's great and he doesn't play against Sealand like Ronaldo, so let's see:
Ronaldo has no goals vs Brazil, how pathetic, in a grand total of 3 games (2 friendlies and 1 competitive).
5 goals vs Brazil
Wow 5 goals in 11 games (6 friendlies, 2 in Copa America, 3 in WC qualifying) the many WC qualifiers and the yearly Copa Amerricas over the years? No, all goals are from the friendlies. Weird.
Ronaldo has 3 goals in 2 games vs Switzerland, one a WC qualifier that qualified Portugal for WC and the other was the Nations League semifinal.
3 goals vs Switzerland
A good european team and Messi has the same amount of goals! Oh, was a friendly
Ronaldo has 3 goals in 5 games (3 competitive and 2 friendlies)
2 goals vs Spain
Nice... ah scored in 2 of the 3 friendlies, never played competitive vs Spain
Ronaldo has 1 goal in a friendly vs Croatia, played 3 times (2 friendlies and 1 in Euro)
2 vs Croatia!
2 friendlies and 1 WC game, maybe he... no he scored in the 2 friendlies
Ronaldo never scored vs France! He had 4 games: 2 friendlies, 1 WC semi-final and 1 Euro final where he barely played as he left injured. Sad performances vs a team Portugal didn't beat for 40 years until 2016!
1 goal vs France
Messi did it! 1 Friendly and 1 WC game, maybe he did score in the... nope, he scored in the friendly again. Hmm.
Ronaldo never scored against Germany, the loser! All competitive games, 2 in WC and 2 in Euro.
1 goal vs Germany
Lionel did it again. Messi had 4 games, 2 friendlies and 2 WC games, this time maybe? No, he scored in one of the friendlies. But
Ronaldo has 2 friendlies against Argentina, scored 1 goal.
1 goal vs Portugal
Messi also played those 2 friendlies and also got 1 goal. But Ronaldo was lucky have been partnered with a 31 year old Danny and Hugo Almeida while Messi had to bear up with Lavezzi and that fraud Higuain so it's not fair.
Ronaldo didn't score in 2 friendly games vs Italy, a team Portugal generally does well if you exclude those 30 years Portugal was unable to beat it and all the other remaining ones except the last because God Èder too
Messi didn't too because he never played Italy otherwise it would have been in a competitive game of course.
So in total Messi has 33 goals in 46 friendlies. So 48% of Messi's goals come from friendlies. And Ronaldo in friendlies has 17 goals in 47 games (17% of total). Messi the friendly GOAT.
But look Messi is very good vs a good team such as Uruguay!
4 goals nice! All goals in WC qualifiying! He only needed 8 games vs Uruguay for that. And none in Copa America.
3 goals vs Chile! In 9 games. All goals in WC qualifying, maybe one in the last 10 Copa editions in the last 5 years would have been handy.
3 goals vs Colombia! In 9 games. All goals in WC qualifying.
Who the hell does he score against in Copa America then. Let's see:
1 goal vs Peru
1 goal vs Mexico
2 goals vs Paraguay
3 goals vs Panama
1 goal vs Venezuela
1 goal vs United States
Erm... ok let's see the WC goals
1 goal vs Serbia-Montenegro
1 goal vs Bosnia-Herzegovina
1 goal vs Iran
3 goals vs Nigeria
But but let's see the fraud Ronaldo
Euro final stage goals:
1 goal vs Greece
3 goals vs Netherlands
2 goals vs Czech Republic
2 goals vs Hungary
1 goal vs Wales
Netherlands, Panama, it's the same, it's all about canals.
WC goals:
1 goal vs Iran
1 goal vs North Korea
1 goal vs Ghana
3 goals vs Spain
1 goal vs Morocco
No knockout stage goals ha! Oh wait Messi too. 3 goals in 2 games vs Nigeria is better than 3 goals in 1 game vs Spain that Portugal didn't even win that game so it's a draw.
Messi the clear OG. While Ronaldo has it easy to be honoured to play Andorras in the qualifying forcefully as Portugal isn't unable to break them without him Messi has to lead Argentina to glory in tough friendlies vs Haiti and Hong Kong.
Did I mention yet that Ronaldo was being fed on a plate by world class idols such as Postiga, Hugo Almeida and geriatric Liedson while Messi had to babysit rocks with eyes such as Milito, Tévez, Aguero, Higuain and other log-footed minerals that had the biggest achievement in their carreers when Messi honours them by calling them to the Argentina national team.
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This post is supposed to be sarcastic and only half serious.
Messi's record in the national team is fantastic. I don't want to play it down at all.
So is Ronaldo's while always being out down because he happens to play against some teams many people laugh at, like Luxembourg (he scored today vs them), a team that drew vs France in Paris last year before France went on to be WC.
Messi has more goals vs top teams than Ronaldo but if you look well all (!) of them were friendlies and Ronaldo played less games and/or more competitive games vs them than Messi.
Look at Brazil. Messi played them 5 times in competitive games, never scored and had 1 draw and 4 defeats. Ronaldo had only 1 competitive game, a WC game that was a draw.
In the other 2 friendlies Ronaldo had he didn't score too and 1 was a victory and another a defeat. Messi had 6 friendlies, 4 victories and 2 defeats. In those 6 friendlies, he scored in 3 of them (with an hattrick once).
Is Messi good vs Brazil? Yes he is, even if he didn't score in 8 of the 11 games he had against them. Is Ronaldo bad against Brazil? I don't know, he barely played them, only 3 games. Yet this is used to attack Ronaldo.
Yes, Ronaldo would struggle playing in instagramless oblivion Bolivia and would puke because of the lack of oxygen(-ated water for his hair) at the ISS, so would Messi struggle to score in Kazakhstan 2 light-years away from home while fearing the mongol horde next door might come at any moment to loot his tax-evaded hoard.
Look at Argentina without Messi, it's an absolutely abysmal record.
