Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[RedRonaldo]

Of course, it is not meaningful for you))

1. Thinks that listing La Liga (then the best league in the world) awards likes best player award, top goal scorer awards, or league titles in La Liga for comparison is meaningless although says/implies in other threads if Ronaldo wins a league title with United this season, or becomes a best player in PL (now the best league in the world), or wins goal scoring awards, that would give a big edge to Ronaldo against Messi)) Oh so, all of a sudden league titles, goal scoring/best player awards in a league became meaningful again for comparison purposes in your parallel universe?? whatever fits your BS narrative.. the level of hypocrisy..

2. Conveniently ignores the goal ratios like other Ronaldo fans (they seem to have a particular goal ratio phobia), directly compares total goal numbers though Messi played almost 150 less games)) Do you know why ratios matter or are you mathematically challenged? Do you know what playing 150 less games mean when making a goals comparison? What's crazy is Messi has better goal ratios than Ronaldo, more golden boot awards, more Pichicis when both were playing in La Liga, the only area where he is supposed to beat Messi))

3.Gives international edge to Ronaldo when Ronaldo has “0” best player award in an international tournaments vs Messi’s 3 including a WC.. Completely ignores the fact that when Messi was playing the WC final in 2014, Ronaldo's Portugal failed to even go beyond the group stage being left behind mighty USA)

4. Then creates a new category in his little alternative universe called “Legacy” and calls it a tie, You cant make this shit up)) What is this “Legacy”? Is this a new alternative to that already destroyed “but, but, mentality” argument?

5. tries to desperately cover the fact that Ronaldo is nowhere near many greats of the game let alone Messi in terms of creativity, playmaking and adds multiple categories that has nothing to do with playmaking, creativity such as heading)) etc. as if these are the main qualities making wizards like Maradona, Cruyff, Zidane, Xavi, Ronaldinho etc. who they are and why they are considered among the best ever... Brings out things as tricks??, movement, determination, mentality (oh, I see you put that BS again) as if his boy has any superiority in these categories..

I will simplify it for you, two sets of attacking players as below:

Set 1: Cruyff, Maradona, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Xavi etc.
Set 2: Ronaldo9, Lewandowski, Muller, Romario etc.

Messi can easily make it to both groups as a top player whereas your boy is not welcome at Group 1, got it?

1. Regarding La Liga titles, total trophies count already covers that up, and in fact I did already ranked Messi higher on that. What you did is just a more detail breakdown under “trophies” section, but you are adding nothing more to the arguments, because I did already rate Messi higher, putting forward more detailed breakdown as proof doesn’t change the outcome of the fact I rate Messi higher on that, get it?

2. This has been done countless number of times. Basically no one compares or glorify goal ratio as much as you do, you don’t win a trophy with best ratio in any competitions, but you do win a trophy for best goal tally in any competitions. Moreover, Ronaldo was a winger in midfield playing 442 during his formative years, of course this will average down his career ratio. In fact his goal ratio is better than Messi if we only compare their La Liga ratio, or international football. But if you insist to include 200 games of Ronaldo playing as midfielder winger in 442, I can’t really help if you are that desperate.

3. The edge is given because winning Euro for Portugal > winning Copa for Argentina, and 111 international goals > 74 international goals. People generally values these 2 category far more. You may value best player of tournament awards more though, but no one cares about that as much as you do. I mean, could you tell if anyone remembers or cares whoever won player of tournament in Copa 91 or WC 06? But everyone knows Ronaldo is now all time top scorer in international football. There’s is only one player taking all time record, but over a hundred of players taking best tournament player awards throughout history.

4. Legacy is what GOAT is about. Pele winning 3 WC and scoring 1000 goals is legacy, Maradona single-handedly won 86 WC, with goal of century is legacy, Cruyff revolutionize football with total football is legacy, Di Stefano dominate European club football with 5 CL is legacy etc And of course, Ronaldo won 5 CL, breaking all time goal record and all time international goal record is also legacy. I think Messi legacy is winning 6 Ballon D’or, and scoring 81 goals in a season. But I just rate Ronaldo one higher. You are welcomed to disagree.

5.Creativity, dribbling or playmaking etc are already well covered under “footballing” category. You can go on add more attributes you like, but don’t forget heading, athleticism, movements, determinations, long shots etc are also part of footballing. They are all under the same category - footballing. And yes I did already rate Messi higher in footballing, what else you want from that? To disagree?

 

[Mark_Barca]

Some hilarious takes in here, no more so than @Pickle85 trying to claim he doesn't give an opinion on who's better when it's clear as day with his posts how much he prefers Ronaldo.

Also hilarious seeing the biggest Ronaldo fanboy ever, strangely not @Cal? who would pick Ronaldo over his own family and talked about his 'son' and supporting him else go on about 111 goals > 74.

Let's deal with important factors.

Ronaldo has played 29 more times for his country, that is one big factor in why he has 35 more International goals. Messi also has 11 more assists than Ronaldo whilst playing 35 games less.

Ronaldo also has the luxury of upping his goal scoring against some of the worst part time pub standard sides like Andorra etc.

Andorra: 6
Armenia: 5
Azerbaijan: 2
Cyprus: 2
Estonia: 4
Faroe Islands: 4
Kazakhstan: 2
Iran: 1
Israel: 1
Latvia: 5
Lithuania: 7
Luxembourg: 6
New Zealand: 1
Northern Ireland: 3
North Korea: 1
Saudi Arabia: 2

52 International goals against utter garbage. Could easily add in ROI(2 goals) to that considering how absolute garbage a side they currently are, losing to Luxembourg at home!

Messi has upped his account against gash, but it's about 4 times a lesser amount when you look at who he's scored against.

Also it's 100% debatable that Portugal's Euros is greater than Argentina winning the Copa America IN BRAZIL when Brazil have won it every time it's held there. But aye finishing 3rd in a weak group stage with 3 draws and winning ONE game in 90 minutes was without question superior...

 

[Daysleeper]

Yeah, Italians are definitelyon the rise)) That's why the their team, Juve lost to not only Lyon, but also from others supposedly inferior leagues in the CL year in year out, including 10-man Porto from Portugal, and Ajax from Holland in the last 3 seasons))

@mu4c_20le taking L’s left, right and Center

 

[Bastian]

It's a bit of a shame Messi didn't end up at City last season as he would have then competed in the toughest league in the world, albeit with a far superior team and the best manager, instead of going now to a far inferior league, while Ronaldo who is older joins a team still in transition with an unproven manager in the world toughest league. It is pretty clear who went for the bigger challenge.

This is not to say "x is better", but Messi took one step closer to retirement (not saying the French league is a farmers league, but it's nowhere near the Premier League) while Ronaldo went into a more difficult environment.

 

[Daysleeper]

It's a bit of a shame Messi didn't end up at City last season as he would have then competed in the toughest league in the world, albeit with a far superior team and the best manager, instead of going now to a far inferior league, while Ronaldo who is older joins a team still in transition with an unproven manager in the world toughest league. It is pretty clear who went for the bigger challenge.

This is not to say "x is better", but Messi took one step closer to retirement (not saying the French league is a farmers league, but it's nowhere near the Premier League) while Ronaldo went into a more difficult environment.

Silly take, united didn’t even want Ronaldo initially and city was even refusing to pay a transfer fee initially. Had nothing to do with a challenge, Ronaldo absolutely would have joined psg if the opportunity was there

 

[fishfingers15]

I was ready to declare for Messi but then Ronaldo signed for us. Messi who?

 

[Camara]

Let's deal with important factors.

Ronaldo has played 29 more times for his country, that is one big factor in why he has 35 more International goals. Messi also has 11 more assists than Ronaldo whilst playing 35 games less.

Look, I have all the data here to look at the actual global picture, how convenient:

Ronaldo	Apps	Goals	Assists	Minutes	Goals per App	Minutes to Goal	Assists per App	Minutes to Assist	GA per App	Minutes to GA
Confed Cup	4​	2​	1​	390​	0,50​	195,00​	0,25​	390,00​	0,75​	130,00​
Euro Qualifier	35​	31​	3​	3030​	0,89​	97,74​	0,09​	1010,00​	0,97​	89,12​
Euro	25​	14​	7​	2154​	0,56​	153,86​	0,28​	307,71​	0,84​	102,57​
WC Qualifier	42​	33​	11​	3581​	0,79​	108,52​	0,26​	325,55​	1,05​	81,39​
WC	17​	7​	2​	1474​	0,41​	210,57​	0,12​	737,00​	0,53​	163,78​
Nations League	6​	5​	0​	531​	0,83​	106,20​	0,00​		0,83​	106,20​
Friendly	51​	19​	9​	3238​	0,37​	170,42​	0,18​	359,78​	0,55​	115,64​
Competitive	129​	92​	24​	11160​	0,71​	121,30​	0,19​	465,00​	0,90​	96,21​
Friendly	51​	19​	9​	3238​	0,37​	170,42​	0,18​	359,78​	0,55​	115,64​
Total	180​	111​	33​	14398​	0,62​	129,71​	0,18​	436,30​	0,80​	99,99​

Messi	Apps	Goals	Assists	Minutes	Goals per App	Minutes to Goal	Assists per App	Minutes to Assist	GA per App	Minutes to GA
Copa America	34​	13​	17​	2905​	0,38​	223,46​	0,50​	170,88​	0,88​	96,83​
WC Qualifier	52​	23​	10​	4403​	0,44​	191,43​	0,19​	440,30​	0,63​	133,42​
WC	19​	6​	5​	1624​	0,32​	270,67​	0,26​	324,80​	0,58​	147,64​
Friendly	47​	34​	15​	3713​	0,72​	109,21​	0,32​	247,53​	1,04​	75,78​
Competitive	105​	42​	32​	8932​	0,40​	212,67​	0,30​	279,13​	0,70​	120,70​
Friendly	47​	34​	15​	3713​	0,72​	109,21​	0,32​	247,53​	1,04​	75,78​
Total	152​	76​	47​	12645​	0,50​	166,38​	0,31​	269,04​	0,81​	102,80​

Ronaldo also has the luxury of upping his goal scoring against some of the worst part time pub standard sides like Andorra etc.

Andorra: 6
Armenia: 5
Azerbaijan: 2
Cyprus: 2
Estonia: 4
Faroe Islands: 4
Kazakhstan: 2
Iran: 1
Israel: 1
Latvia: 5
Lithuania: 7
Luxembourg: 6
New Zealand: 1
Northern Ireland: 3
North Korea: 1
Saudi Arabia: 2

52 International goals against utter garbage. Could easily add in ROI(2 goals) to that considering how absolute garbage a side they currently are, losing to Luxembourg at home!

Messi has upped his account against gash, but it's about 4 times a lesser amount when you look at who he's scored against.

Are you sure you want to start removing the goals Messi scored against garbage teams as well?
I'm not sure you realised you ended up saying that Ronaldo scored 57 goals while playing only against good teams.
But let's return to Messi and let's use the ronaldo_bashing_attempt_mechanism_2.0

>process started
Messi also has the luxury of upping his goal scoring against some of the worst part time pub standard sides like Hong Kong etc.

Ecuador 6
Bolivia 5
Venezuela 4
Guatemala 3
Haiti 3
Nigeria 3
Panama 3
Algeria 2
Hong Kong 2
Nicaragua 2
Albania 1
Iran 1
Slovenia 1

36 International goals against this utter garbage. Could easily add in 1 goal vs Portugal because they sabotaged themselves by playing with a tap in merchant.

Brazil 5
Chile 5
Paraguay 5
Uruguay 5
Colombia 3
Mexico 3
Switzerland 3
Croatia 2
Spain 2
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1
France 1
Germany 1
Peru 1
Portugal 1
Serbia-Montenegro 1
United States 1

Look at this prolific list, if we now remove the goals vs friendlies then...

Chile 5
Paraguay 5
Uruguay 4
Colombia 3
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1
Mexico 1
Peru 1
Serbia-Montenegro 1
United States 1

oh no, what have I done, where is Brazil, France, Spain, Germany?? Now Messi scored 5 less international goals than the legend Hélder Postiga

Also it's 100% debatable that Portugal's Euros is greater than Argentina winning the Copa America IN BRAZIL when Brazil have won it every time it's held there. But aye finishing 3rd in a weak group stage with 3 draws and winning ONE game in 90 minutes was without question superior...

Once again, in 2018 in the WC two of the teams Portugal faced were finalists.
Argentina played them both and also yet another team in the portuguese run (Iceland).
And guess what, in 3 games Argentina wasn't able to win a single game vs these 3 teams.

Portugal surely had it easy winning a final against the host, like Argentina did, given that Portugal didn't beat France for more than 40 years before that game.
It was the first international title of Portugal.
For Argentina it was the 15h Copa to add to their collection.

 

[NasirTimothy]

Some hilarious takes in here, no more so than @Pickle85 trying to claim he doesn't give an opinion on who's better when it's clear as day with his posts how much he prefers Ronaldo.

Also hilarious seeing the biggest Ronaldo fanboy ever, strangely not @Cal? who would pick Ronaldo over his own family and talked about his 'son' and supporting him else go on about 111 goals > 74.

Let's deal with important factors.

Ronaldo has played 29 more times for his country, that is one big factor in why he has 35 more International goals. Messi also has 11 more assists than Ronaldo whilst playing 35 games less.

Ronaldo also has the luxury of upping his goal scoring against some of the worst part time pub standard sides like Andorra etc.

Andorra: 6
Armenia: 5
Azerbaijan: 2
Cyprus: 2
Estonia: 4
Faroe Islands: 4
Kazakhstan: 2
Iran: 1
Israel: 1
Latvia: 5
Lithuania: 7
Luxembourg: 6
New Zealand: 1
Northern Ireland: 3
North Korea: 1
Saudi Arabia: 2

52 International goals against utter garbage. Could easily add in ROI(2 goals) to that considering how absolute garbage a side they currently are, losing to Luxembourg at home!

Messi has upped his account against gash, but it's about 4 times a lesser amount when you look at who he's scored against.

Also it's 100% debatable that Portugal's Euros is greater than Argentina winning the Copa America IN BRAZIL when Brazil have won it every time it's held there. But aye finishing 3rd in a weak group stage with 3 draws and winning ONE game in 90 minutes was without question superior...

Should also be mentioned that he led Argentina to the World Cup final IN BRAZIL. This is not talked about enough. I’m sure on the day of that game, every single Brazilian on the planet was fervently praying that the Argies would lose. Imagine them being able to say that they’d won the World Cup IN BRAZIL, at the freaking Maracana! There’s no counter bantz to that. None.

Goetze, Muller, Kroos, Ozil, Löw etc. should be given orders of Merit by the Brazilian government for preventing that from happening.

 

[Jericho]

Look, I have all the data here to look at the actual global picture, how convenient:

Ronaldo	Apps	Goals	Assists	Minutes	Goals per App	Minutes to Goal	Assists per App	Minutes to Assist	GA per App	Minutes to GA
Confed Cup	4​	2​	1​	390​	0,50​	195,00​	0,25​	390,00​	0,75​	130,00​
Euro Qualifier	35​	31​	3​	3030​	0,89​	97,74​	0,09​	1010,00​	0,97​	89,12​
Euro	25​	14​	7​	2154​	0,56​	153,86​	0,28​	307,71​	0,84​	102,57​
WC Qualifier	42​	33​	11​	3581​	0,79​	108,52​	0,26​	325,55​	1,05​	81,39​
WC	17​	7​	2​	1474​	0,41​	210,57​	0,12​	737,00​	0,53​	163,78​
Nations League	6​	5​	0​	531​	0,83​	106,20​	0,00​		0,83​	106,20​
Friendly	51​	19​	9​	3238​	0,37​	170,42​	0,18​	359,78​	0,55​	115,64​
Competitive	129​	92​	24​	11160​	0,71​	121,30​	0,19​	465,00​	0,90​	96,21​
Friendly	51​	19​	9​	3238​	0,37​	170,42​	0,18​	359,78​	0,55​	115,64​
Total	180​	111​	33​	14398​	0,62​	129,71​	0,18​	436,30​	0,80​	99,99​

Messi	Apps	Goals	Assists	Minutes	Goals per App	Minutes to Goal	Assists per App	Minutes to Assist	GA per App	Minutes to GA
Copa America	34​	13​	17​	2905​	0,38​	223,46​	0,50​	170,88​	0,88​	96,83​
WC Qualifier	52​	23​	10​	4403​	0,44​	191,43​	0,19​	440,30​	0,63​	133,42​
WC	19​	6​	5​	1624​	0,32​	270,67​	0,26​	324,80​	0,58​	147,64​
Friendly	47​	34​	15​	3713​	0,72​	109,21​	0,32​	247,53​	1,04​	75,78​
Competitive	105​	42​	32​	8932​	0,40​	212,67​	0,30​	279,13​	0,70​	120,70​
Friendly	47​	34​	15​	3713​	0,72​	109,21​	0,32​	247,53​	1,04​	75,78​
Total	152​	76​	47​	12645​	0,50​	166,38​	0,31​	269,04​	0,81​	102,80​

Are you sure you want to start removing the goals Messi scored against garbage teams as well?
I'm not sure you realised you ended up saying that Ronaldo scored 57 goals while playing only against good teams.
But let's return to Messi and let's use the ronaldo_bashing_attempt_mechanism_2.0

>process started
Messi also has the luxury of upping his goal scoring against some of the worst part time pub standard sides like Hong Kong etc.

Ecuador 6
Bolivia 5
Venezuela 4
Guatemala 3
Haiti 3
Nigeria 3
Panama 3
Algeria 2
Hong Kong 2
Nicaragua 2
Albania 1
Iran 1
Slovenia 1

36 International goals against this utter garbage. Could easily add in 1 goal vs Portugal because they sabotaged themselves by playing with a tap in merchant.

Brazil 5
Chile 5
Paraguay 5
Uruguay 5
Colombia 3
Mexico 3
Switzerland 3
Croatia 2
Spain 2
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1
France 1
Germany 1
Peru 1
Portugal 1
Serbia-Montenegro 1
United States 1

Look at this prolific list, if we now remove the goals vs friendlies then...

Chile 5
Paraguay 5
Uruguay 4
Colombia 3
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1
Mexico 1
Peru 1
Serbia-Montenegro 1
United States 1

oh no, what have I done, where is Brazil, France, Spain, Germany?? Now Messi scored 5 less international goals than the legend Hélder Postiga





Once again, in 2018 in the WC two of the teams Portugal faced were finalists.
Argentina played them both and also yet another team in the portuguese run (Iceland).
And guess what, in 3 games Argentina wasn't able to win a single game vs these 3 teams.

Portugal surely had it easy winning a final against the host, like Argentina did, given that Portugal didn't beat France for more than 40 years before that game.
It was the first international title of Portugal.
For Argentina it was the 15h Copa to add to their collection.

The salt is strong in this one.

 

[Pickle85]

Some hilarious takes in here, no more so than @Pickle85 trying to claim he doesn't give an opinion on who's better when it's clear as day with his posts how much he prefers Ronaldo.

Also hilarious seeing the biggest Ronaldo fanboy ever, strangely not @Cal? who would pick Ronaldo over his own family and talked about his 'son' and supporting him else go on about 111 goals > 74.

Let's deal with important factors.

Ronaldo has played 29 more times for his country, that is one big factor in why he has 35 more International goals. Messi also has 11 more assists than Ronaldo whilst playing 35 games less.

Ronaldo also has the luxury of upping his goal scoring against some of the worst part time pub standard sides like Andorra etc.

Andorra: 6
Armenia: 5
Azerbaijan: 2
Cyprus: 2
Estonia: 4
Faroe Islands: 4
Kazakhstan: 2
Iran: 1
Israel: 1
Latvia: 5
Lithuania: 7
Luxembourg: 6
New Zealand: 1
Northern Ireland: 3
North Korea: 1
Saudi Arabia: 2

52 International goals against utter garbage. Could easily add in ROI(2 goals) to that considering how absolute garbage a side they currently are, losing to Luxembourg at home!

Messi has upped his account against gash, but it's about 4 times a lesser amount when you look at who he's scored against.

Also it's 100% debatable that Portugal's Euros is greater than Argentina winning the Copa America IN BRAZIL when Brazil have won it every time it's held there. But aye finishing 3rd in a weak group stage with 3 draws and winning ONE game in 90 minutes was without question superior...

Um... What?! Don't try to drag me in! I've said consistently that I think it's much of a muchness as to who's better. I certainly prefer Ronaldo beyond football because he's a United legend (imo) but I can't split them as players.

 

[Mark_Barca]

The salt is strong in this one.

It's hilarious. Without question the worst poster on here.

Imagine have the audacity to put the likes of Ecuador, Slovenia, Nigeria, Algeria, Venezuela etc in comparison to Andorra etc

Cameroon: 2
Ecuador: 1
Egypt: 2
Finland: 1
Ghana: 1
Greece: 1
Hungary: 6
Iceland: 1
Morocco: 1
Panama: 1
Republic of Ireland: 2
Slovakia: 1
Wales: 1

Can add those 21 goals to my list using his criteria... so only 38 of Ronaldos goals are worth anything..

 

[Camara]

It's hilarious. Without question the worst poster on here.

Imagine have the audacity to put the likes of Ecuador, Slovenia, Nigeria, Algeria, Venezuela etc in comparison to Andorra etc

Cameroon: 2
Ecuador: 1
Egypt: 2
Finland: 1
Ghana: 1
Greece: 1
Hungary: 6
Iceland: 1
Morocco: 1
Panama: 1
Republic of Ireland: 2
Slovakia: 1
Wales: 1

Can add those 21 goals to my list using his criteria... so only 38 of Ronaldos goals are worth anything..

I'm just following your bracket logic, you included Iran and Israel as garbage tier...

 

[Camara]

The salt is strong in this one.

I can see that, my salt was so much that it crystallised and formed a mirror.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Just changed my vote, has become crystal clear to me this past week that the midget is a hormone cheat and that despite all that cheating, Ronaldo pisses on him from a great height.

 

[Pickle85]

It's hilarious. Without question the worst poster on here.

Imagine have the audacity to put the likes of Ecuador, Slovenia, Nigeria, Algeria, Venezuela etc in comparison to Andorra etc

Cameroon: 2
Ecuador: 1
Egypt: 2
Finland: 1
Ghana: 1
Greece: 1
Hungary: 6
Iceland: 1
Morocco: 1
Panama: 1
Republic of Ireland: 2
Slovakia: 1
Wales: 1

Can add those 21 goals to my list using his criteria... so only 38 of Ronaldos goals are worth anything..

Serious question: why as a Barca/Messi fan do you post on a United forum? You must have a lot of spare time.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Silly take, united didn’t even want Ronaldo initially and city was even refusing to pay a transfer fee initially. Had nothing to do with a challenge, Ronaldo absolutely would have joined psg if the opportunity was there

Sure mate, did Ronaldo personally called you and told that? You support Barcelona and worship Messi, we get that, but at least make rational argument. Messi joined French league and Ronaldo joined probably the most competitive league in the world. This is what happened and everything else is just a pure guess. So your guess is as good as mine on why Messi choose retirement and easy oil money.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Just changed my vote, has become crystal clear to me this past week that the midget is a hormone cheat and that despite all that cheating, Ronaldo pisses on him from a great height.

Completely agree, I’ve had a huge epiphany unrelated to anything that has happened in the world.

 

[Daysleeper]

Sure mate, did Ronaldo personally called you and told that? You support Barcelona and worship Messi, we get that, but at least make rational argument. Messi joined French league and Ronaldo joined probably the most competitive league in the world. This is what happened and everything else is just a pure guess. So your guess is as good as mine on why Messi choose retirement and easy oil money.

Don’t be thick, ronaldo had no suitors initially the glazers didn’t want him until Fergie stepped in. This are indisputable facts. Fergie saved him from destroying his own united legacy with city who even then were trying to not even bother with a transfer fee for him.
Thanks for trying though

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

This are indisputable facts.

Just like the fact that Messi made 30% of Barca’s revenue, feck me you’ve some spouted some serious shite this Summer.

You completely contradict yourself in the same fecking paragraph

 

[Daysleeper]

Just like the fact that Messi made 30% of Barca’s revenue, feck me you’ve some spouted some serious shite this Summer.

You completely contradict yourself in the same fecking paragraph

messi’s revenue came straight from the athletic. You’ve been shouting shite with every post mate

imagine thinking united always wanted Ronaldo back when Fergie had to step in. Wake up, Ronaldo had zero issue going to city until Fergie had to convince him

 

[kc7]

Sure mate, did Ronaldo personally called you and told that? You support Barcelona and worship Messi, we get that, but at least make rational argument. Messi joined French league and Ronaldo joined probably the most competitive league in the world. This is what happened and everything else is just a pure guess. So your guess is as good as mine on why Messi choose retirement and easy oil money.

-- as if Ronaldo had any choice other than coming to Premier League).. Read below link very carefully, it tells the whole story..

--https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/27/talks-that-ushered-in-ronaldos-return-to-manchester-united-after-12-years

"Mendes informally approached most of Europe’s big hitters including Madrid, Paris Saint-Germain, United, City and Chelsea but had received no firm encouragement about a potential move."

Now, let that sink in)

See below links as well..

--https://en.as.com/en/2021/04/23/soccer/1619210418_910338.html
--https://www.goal.com/en/news/psg-chief-al-khelaifi-closes-door-on-ronaldo-transfer/s19i2lzw2q91zi626n6r38ia
--https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1430642177315639296

Ronaldo's destiny has been shaped by Kane's rejection and his position as a replacement, a last-minute option in case Kane transfer fails.. It took Messi only a couples of days to be off the market unlike Ronaldo & his desperate manager who has been offering him to every single top side for months))

-- says Messi chose easy money and retirement conveniently ignoring the fact that Ronaldo chose Juve in Serie A, a 1-team league, as a destination for easy league titles & easy CL finals (Juve won 7 Serie A titles in a row and played 2 CL finals in 4 years prior to his arrival) and spectacularly failed with Juve having the worst season in the last 10 years in Serie A not to mention regular failures against Lyon, 10-man Porto, and Ajax, all from supposedly inferior leagues)... Finally, the guy "who loves challenges" had to escape without even waiting for his contract end))

-- If anything, Ligue 1 seems to be more competitive than Serie A as there were more different winners in Ligue 1 in the last five years than Serie A in the last 10 years.. Lille (2020-2021), PSG (2017-2018, 2018-2019, 2019-2020), and Monaco (2016-2017).. This point is also confirmed by regular failures of Juve, the top Serie A side, against teams from supposedly inferior leagues in the CL three years in a row..

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

messi’s revenue came straight from the athletic.

Imagine being that daft you think a speculative article on a football website = fact.

Did you hear they removed the word gullible from the dictionary?

 

[Ali Dia]

I much prefer Messi’s game and I always have but I wouldn’t have signed him for United either even on a “free”

For what it’s worth I think Ronaldo is much more suited to the PL at this stage than Messi would be. He’s still physically a beast

 

[Berbasbullet]

Ultimately actions speak louder than words/speculation. When it’s all said and done a 36 year old Ronaldo chose to go to the most competitive league in football for a team who hasn’t won a trophy in years and Messi decided to completely destroy his legacy by joining a state run PR project. Bite

 

[kc7]

Ultimately actions speak louder than words/speculation. When it’s all said and done a 36 year old Ronaldo chose to go to the most competitive league in football for a team who hasn’t won a trophy in years and Messi decided to completely destroy his legacy by joining a state run PR project. Bite

Yeah, that team Mendes and Ronaldo would kill to be a part of but couldn't as they were rejected))

Right, Ramos, Messi, Neymar, Di Maria etc. all destroyed their legacies by playing for PSG just like De Bruyne, Aguero etc. at City., (only in a Ronaldo fan's parallel universe) whereas Ronaldo cemented his legacy with this last minute escape from Juve before his contract end after failing that legendary Italian team both in the CL and Serie A))

Actions speak louder than words as you say.. The guy left Juve couple of days before the transfer deadline without giving them any time to look for a replacement, before his contract end, so classy, noble & professional)

 

[pratyush_utd]

-- as if Ronaldo had any choice other than coming to Premier League).. Read below link very carefully, it tells the whole story..

--https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/27/talks-that-ushered-in-ronaldos-return-to-manchester-united-after-12-years

"Mendes informally approached most of Europe’s big hitters including Madrid, Paris Saint-Germain, United, City and Chelsea but had received no firm encouragement about a potential move."

Now, let that sink in)

See below links as well..

--https://en.as.com/en/2021/04/23/soccer/1619210418_910338.html
--https://www.goal.com/en/news/psg-chief-al-khelaifi-closes-door-on-ronaldo-transfer/s19i2lzw2q91zi626n6r38ia
--https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1430642177315639296

Ronaldo's destiny has been shaped by Kane's rejection and his position as a replacement, a last-minute option in case Kane transfer fails.. It took Messi only a couples of days to be off the market unlike Ronaldo & his desperate manager who has been offering him to every single top side for months))

-- says Messi chose easy money and retirement conveniently ignoring the fact that Ronaldo chose Juve in Serie A, a 1-team league, as a destination for easy league titles & easy CL finals (Juve won 7 Serie A titles in a row and played 2 CL finals in 4 years prior to his arrival) and spectacularly failed with Juve having the worst season in the last 10 years in Serie A not to mention regular failures against Lyon, 10-man Porto, and Ajax, all from supposedly inferior leagues)... Finally, the guy "who loves challenges" had to escape without even waiting for his contract end))

-- If anything, Ligue 1 seems to be more competitive than Serie A as there were more different winners in Ligue 1 in the last five years than Serie A in the last 10 years.. Lille (2020-2021), PSG (2017-2018, 2018-2019, 2019-2020), and Monaco (2016-2017).. This point is also confirmed by regular failures of Juve, the top Serie A side, against teams from supposedly inferior leagues in the CL three years in a row..

I am not sure you understood what I said. By the way using Transfer news article isn't a great way to prove your point.

Also French League maybe okay but it's a downgrade from Spanish league and English league is the most competitive. One downgraded and other one upgraded. That's what happened. So stop arguing about things you don't know. It's all guesswork who could have joined where. 99% of article written in news paper about transfer is bogus. Don't use that to frame your argument.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Don’t be thick, ronaldo had no suitors initially the glazers didn’t want him until Fergie stepped in. This are indisputable facts. Fergie saved him from destroying his own united legacy with city who even then were trying to not even bother with a transfer fee for him.
Thanks for trying though

I don't think you know what that word means. It's Ironic you are the one who is handling out insults.

Ronaldo upgraded by joining English league while Messi downgraded to join French League. That's what happened. Rest is your figment of imagination and football transfer news. Neither would classify as indisputable fact.

Maybe you can't read but I mentioned English league. Not Manutd. City also play in English league.

 

[Daysleeper]

Imagine being that daft you think a speculative article on a football website = fact.

Did you hear they removed the word gullible from the dictionary?

Imagine being so thick and not thinking Fergie had anything to do with Ronaldo coming to united keep drinking the kool aid

 

[Daysleeper]

I don't think you know what that word means. It's Ironic you are the one who is handling out insults.

Ronaldo upgraded by joining English league while Messi downgraded to join French League. That's what happened. Rest is your figment of imagination and football transfer news. Neither would classify as indisputable fact.

Maybe you can't read but I mentioned English league. Not Manutd. City also play in English league.

yes but your dumb argument is that Ronaldo came for the challenge which is total bs. Ronaldo just wanted out of Juventus, period. Whether it’s psg or Bayern or any team that could also give him a shot at CL since Messi went to psg Ronaldo was going to join. The fact that he was so ready to join city despite being a united player until Fergie stepped in speaks volumes

 

[pratyush_utd]

yes but your dumb argument is that Ronaldo came for the challenge which is total bs. Ronaldo just wanted out of Juventus, period. Whether it’s psg or Bayern or any team that could also give him a shot at CL since Messi went to psg Ronaldo was going to join. The fact that he was so ready to join city despite being a united player until Fergie stepped in speaks volumes

So it's dumb argument because you think he didn't come for challenge and we should believe you because you are Messi fanboy? But Messi joined French League because he wanted a shot at CL with a team that has never won any? By the way why didn't Messi join any English team, surely Chelsea who are defending champion will give him better chance to win the CL. Or Mancity? Did they not want him or he wanted that sweet Oil money with least competition at his age?

You keep repeating the same story that you have made yourself to believe but it won't change the fact that Messi went to the French League which is probably the least competitive of all the top leagues and Ronaldo went to English league.

 

[kc7]

I am not sure you understood what I said. By the way using Transfer news article isn't a great way to prove your point.

Also French League maybe okay but it's a downgrade from Spanish league and English league is the most competitive. One downgraded and other one upgraded. That's what happened. So stop arguing about things you don't know. It's all guesswork who could have joined where. 99% of article written in news paper about transfer is bogus. Don't use that to frame your argument.

-- cannot develop a response and comes back with a BS guesswork argument.. What guesswork are you talking about? The articles explain "what has already happened" not "what will happen".. I will take the info, intel of all these credible sources over a random poster's BS guesswork argument on the net..

-- still thinks Messi cares about league titles in French league... Messi's only focus is on winning the CL and nothing else..
Unlike Ronaldo, Messi has led the then best league in the world (La Liga) winning it already 6 times vs Ronaldo's 2 in 9 years when they were both there and got the La Liga best player award 6 times vs Ronaldo's "1" (same number as Griezmann) again in 9 years.. So you see who has to prove what in terms of league titles/awards in the most competitive league..

-- Yeah, it is definitely a upgrade to leave Juve, a team that finished the league as the 4th in Serie A and joining United, a team that finished 2nd in PL with a much stronger squad than last year with the adds of Varane, Sancho etc, and a clear favorite to win the PL..

 

[kc7]

the level of Ronaldo fans' delusion..mindblown..

 

[Daysleeper]

So it's dumb argument because you think he didn't come for challenge and we should believe you because you are Messi fanboy? But Messi joined French League because he wanted a shot at CL with a team that has never won any? By the way why didn't Messi join any English team, surely Chelsea who are defending champion will give him better chance to win the CL. Or Mancity? Did they not want him or he wanted that sweet Oil money with least competition at his age?

You keep repeating the same story that you have made yourself to believe but it won't change the fact that Messi went to the French League which is probably the least competitive of all the top leagues and Ronaldo went to English league.

you speak so much nonsense it’s insane. City asked about Messi back in April but he wanted to stay with Barca. City signed Grealish. Had the Messi stuff with and a happened a week earlier I think pep absolutely would’ve gone with Messi on a free over Grealish.

Ronaldo didn’t care for the “challenge” he just wants a CL like Messi. And psg may have had the greatest transfer window of the last ten years although it’s best to judge after the season’s end. Epl is way more competitive than French league but both Messi and Ronaldo are looking for cl first and foremost. Ronaldo would’ve gone for psg if they asked.

 

[Daysleeper]

the level of Ronaldo fans' delusion..mindblown..

it’s hilarious

 

[Solius]

Sometimes I pop in here to see how this is still going and it’s like watching a load of children throw their own shit at each other.

 

[cyberman]

you speak so much nonsense it’s insane. City asked about Messi back in April but he wanted to stay with Barca. City signed Grealish. Had the Messi stuff with and a happened a week earlier I think pep absolutely would’ve gone with Messi on a free over Grealish.

Ronaldo didn’t care for the “challenge” he just wants a CL like Messi. And psg may have had the greatest transfer window of the last ten years although it’s best to judge after the season’s end. Epl is way more competitive than French league but both Messi and Ronaldo are looking for cl first and foremost. Ronaldo would’ve gone for psg if they asked.

It’s all nonsense but Messi turning down City to stay at shit show Barca doesn’t shine a Messi loves the challenge light on old Lionel

 

[pratyush_utd]

All I did was to mention Messi went to French League which isn't the best and Ronaldo went to English league and to a team which hasn't won anything in last 4 year. That was enough to trigger fanboys. I cant even imagine what will happen if the discussion was who is better player.

I support United and not individual players. And I certainly wouldn't waste my time defending a player on another team forum. This thread is going on ignore list.

 

[Black Adder]

It’s all nonsense but Messi turning down City to stay at shit show Barca doesn’t shine a Messi loves the challenge light on old Lionel

When did that happen?

 

[cyberman]

When did that happen?

April according to @Daysleeper

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Imagine being so thick and not thinking Fergie had anything to do with Ronaldo coming to united keep drinking the kool aid

Imagine being so dumb to think I’ve even discussed this with you or anyone
You’ve clearly allowed this teenage Messi crush to utterly scramble your brain, you can’t even keep track of what you’re discussing. You’re claiming “indisputable facts” about stuff you have no inside knowledge on, you’re claiming a speculative quite frankly ludicrous click bait article on a football website is proof of something.
You’ve absolutely lost it, take a breather, Messi plays elsewhere now.