That’s it… look at the negative rather than positives. We still had to win a lot of games to catch up. Under Amorim we lost everytime someone around us did. We’ve made up a lot of points on our rivals in the last couple of months.
Michael Carrick - Head Coach for the remainder of the season
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That's a Sherlock level of detective work, top notch analysis.
This sentence makes no fecking sense
Always knew Villa would capitulate. Went through a purple patch and overperformed. My worry is that we’re doing the same now as have some gaping holes in the side that we can’t address in the run in
Funnily, considering it spans three managers, our run of 7 wins and 4 draws, from Boxing Day to last Wednesday, is the joint best in the PL this season (Arsenal have a slightly better 8-3-0 record).
Which sentence.
He has done very well so far & knows how to coach a team. It's no thing like Ole at all. With a couple of better signings in midfield, he is going to do even better. He is going to be the manager next season.
Correct. Doesn't disprove my point regardless
Grow up....
What the hinnigan who is 'a bottom 12" squad" ?
Utter bullshit. It has finished in a UCL place once in 4 seasons. Last season it was even bloody 15th.
Proof my foot. Not only was this side murdered by Brentford and lost to 10 man Everton. It was knocked out the FA cup by Brighton and it wasn't even that convincing in its win a Fulham, teams that are A typical 8th place type teams. Under 3 different coaches to boot. Frankly it's been in the top strictly 8 because it wasn't in Europe and was out of the cabrao cup early. feck all to do with management.
Because I've been saying it since before Amorim was EVER in the frame to coach United. On top of being unlike you who thinks a run of excellent results with most of them being very weak performances is "proof' a Carrick is working "with a top squad". Rather than getting it to punch well above it's true weight. I bet you imagine losing to 10 Man Newcastle was a fluke with this type of thinking your are displaying here....
News flash: you IMAGINING/BELIEVING 'I'm wrong" and it being a reality are parallel N.O.M.A..
Spare me your BS advice.
Watching City against Newcastle last night was a bit depressing. When they turned it on, it was like our performance against City. Playing through their press and deadly attacks. We need to replicate that performance again this season, else I do really think it's just a flash in the pan for Carrick.
Well, most teams have varying form during the season.
It’s usually why the teams that know how to win no matter the performance level tend to be champions. We actually were specialists under SAF, grinding out results even we had poor displays.
Most teams in most leagues will have patches of good form, and suddenly performance will drop, then pickup again and so on.
The difference there is night and day though.
12 wins in 13 matches during the good patch.
3 wins the 16 matches either side, with 7 defeats.
More and more reports how we train less. I am sorry but no matter how "hard and intense" we train in these shorter trainings i fail to understand why the feck we are doing that and how logical is that. With less games and new manager in charge we should be training even more to catch up with form, formations, game patterns, fitness....
Or i am missing some genius masterplan over all this?
Or i am missing some genius masterplan over all this?
I hope we’re doing some fitness work as the lethargy in the last few games has been beyond shocking for a team playing once a week. So if less formal trainings mean more individualised fitness work then I’m all for it.
Not the same squad. The squad we had last season wasn’t good enough to finish in the top four. The squad we have this season may well be. It’s certainly there or thereabouts.
Hard for us to tell as outsiders.
What I know is that we need a coach who can train and build us into a team that understands the fundamentals of dominating the middle of the park and hence controlling games especially against the low block.
As good as this flurry of results under Carrick has been, we haven’t seen signs of that yet. His answer to the question on the lack of patters of play was “I’m glad others can’t see it. Hope it continues”. I mean, we all want him to do well. But the chances of him being the right man with no credentials to speak of, are extremely slim. And our fan base is an emotional one so while I obviously hope we get top 4 / 5, I fully expect to see the huge clamour for him resulting in a permanent job and eventually a new manager after 1-2 years of achieving very little.
Without the distraction of Europe and no cups it can. Which proves my initial point all the more. We need another summer of top recruitment to make this a bonafide top 6 team
There’s definitely a question mark over the urgency and tempo of the football we are playing right now.
The wins against Fulham and Palace came with huge relief because we perhaps were very, very lucky to emerge with full points in both games.
I don’t understand why we can’t at least be keeping the tempo high generally, it’s one thing to be outclassed by a better opponent quite another to go through the motions and steal a result.
Apart from the City and Arsenal games I haven’t seen much that doesn’t look like United under Solksjaer for example.
The wins against Fulham and Palace came with huge relief because we perhaps were very, very lucky to emerge with full points in both games.
I don’t understand why we can’t at least be keeping the tempo high generally, it’s one thing to be outclassed by a better opponent quite another to go through the motions and steal a result.
Apart from the City and Arsenal games I haven’t seen much that doesn’t look like United under Solksjaer for example.
I see a lot of this kind of comment on this site:
“Our fan base is an emotional one”.
What does this even mean? Genuine question.
Football is about the emotions it generates and so all fans are emotional when it comes to their team.
I’d be really concerned if our fan base was without emotion.
“Our fan base is an emotional one”.
What does this even mean? Genuine question.
Football is about the emotions it generates and so all fans are emotional when it comes to their team.
I’d be really concerned if our fan base was without emotion.
Yep, everyone loves a great story, and the story is already great. Carras done well as an interim manager so far. We have seen the most enjoyable win over City almost ever, and beaten Arsenal as well. The rest is a bit lucky but still grinded results in overal underwhelming perfromances. Everyone knows this is not sustainable. or at least Wilcox and co. So we better have lined up a decent fulltime manager in the summer.
The worst we could do is to believe that this charm can go on forever. To think that we got burnt so much over years that we should bet on the safety hand of MC. Well it's the opposite. Carrick has even less experience than Solskjaer when he came here. And the showings are very underwhelming. That doesnt mean its not a good story so far. But they should not shoot new seasons and finish on high.
It would send out a signal that the bar needs to be very high indeed at United if we finish in the CL places and don't give the job full time to Carrick.
That might be no bad thing in fact, standards are so high at United that only the best will do. That said, Ineos are the people who thought Amorim was the answer...
That might be no bad thing in fact, standards are so high at United that only the best will do. That said, Ineos are the people who thought Amorim was the answer...
And a mandatory day off after matches, whereas previously we had 'intense recovery and conditioning sessions' the day after a game.
Another thing that was painted as a positive but seems anything but: Under both Ten Hag and Amorim there were daily video analysis meetings to go over tactical ideas, pressing structure and more. Under Carrick these meetings now happen only twice a week and "last no longer than 15 minutes" (Andy Mitten, Ducker + others)
Apparently this has the players thinking less and playing with freedom and
so it's a good thing?!Same as Solskjaer's "fun and giggles" trainings were labelled positive during his tenure.And a mandatory day off after matches, whereas previously we had 'intense recovery and conditioning sessions' the day after a game.
Another thing that was painted as a positive but seems anything but: Under both Ten Hag and Amorim there were daily video analysis meetings to go over tactical ideas, pressing structure and more. Under Carrick these meetings now happen only twice a week and "last no longer than 15 minutes" (Andy Mitten, Ducker + others)
Apparently this has the players thinking less and playing with freedom and
Sorry, but people can spin it and look for positives as much as they want — I don’t know a single successful coach in any sport who is known for relaxed, basic training sessions.
In fact, I think most athletes (those who have ambition) don’t even like that. Reportedly, several more experienced players weren’t happy with Ole Gunnar Solskjær’s basic and light training sessions. On the other hand, coaches like Louis van Gaal or Pep Guardiola are often praised for training sessions that are demanding and highly complex.
Btw, about bolded part; that is shocking stuff.
Somehow this is light training session
People look to be negative about Carrick, he was worked with and trained under the likes of Sir Alex, Van Gaal and Mourinho. He has seen and experienced first hand how intense training sessions need to be, he’s no PE Teacher.
yeah it's a tricky one because I've heard it from both sides. in team sports and individual sports too. for example, everyone knows Michael Jordan demanded the absolute best from teammates in high-octane practice sessions, but then you look at a guy like Federer who treated practice (NOT conditioning, which is separate) in a very relaxed manner
One thing that lot of our ex-players mentioned was, training intensity under SAF and how intense it was.
Tuchel has committed to England, he has turned United down twice now
Ancelotti allegedly wants to continue with Brazil
There are not a lot of proven options out there that want to come to United
Yeah it does look a bit bleak. Maybe Conte? Although he does have his issues...
Could swear I’ve heard this story before and wouldn’t bet against hearing it again.
If Simeone or Conte come in, the narrative will change to: the players felt the training sessions were too simple and easy under Carrick and they appreciate the intensity and demands of the new manager to drive them to success.
When Conte or Simeone fail- the players appreciate David May’s decision to let them have more freedom rather than being overloaded with tactical instructions. The club feel that they have rediscovered that United DNA after the blistering 4-0 victory against Chelsea on Sunday in which they averaged 24% possession.
If Simeone or Conte come in, the narrative will change to: the players felt the training sessions were too simple and easy under Carrick and they appreciate the intensity and demands of the new manager to drive them to success.
When Conte or Simeone fail- the players appreciate David May’s decision to let them have more freedom rather than being overloaded with tactical instructions. The club feel that they have rediscovered that United DNA after the blistering 4-0 victory against Chelsea on Sunday in which they averaged 24% possession.
“The biggest change related to David May is the positive atmosphere in training. As we can see in the photos, the players are smiling and cheerful. The same can be seen across all areas within the club.”
I would have turned my nose up at Conte previously due to his abrasive personality, which I’m not convinced would last long at United, and he would want a bunch of experienced players but now I’d probably settle for him
Train less vs what? What is the reference?
Perhaps Amorim had us training too much. Perhaps we train as much now as we did under LvG, EtH or Jose. Perhaps even with less we still train more than we did under them.
The reports I've read sound like training is more focused and hard work with less time wasted.
Carrick has worked with enough decent managers, and Holland a decent enough coach, to know what amount is enough.
Dont like the focus on individual work. It explains why we’re not seeing patterns of play that we had started seeing under Amorim. Just getting it to the front 4 and hoping for the best ain’t the answer.
Same here. Would he come though? Could bring Scotty back with him.
These puff pieces about how training has changed for the better, under each manager, are just ridiculous. You’d think if every coach has made training better since the days of Moyes, as the media reports, then the training must be insanely good by now.
In terms of what they’re actually saying, I’m pretty surprised by the regime. 15 minute team meetings seems short. You’d expect some sort of tactical analysis for the previous and upcoming games. A focus on individual training? Tallies with what I’m seeing in terms of performances to be honest. Finished by lunch time? No wonder the players are loving it!
Sounds the polar opposite of what the likes of Pep are doing, and I expect most coaches who focus on system over the individual.
In terms of what they’re actually saying, I’m pretty surprised by the regime. 15 minute team meetings seems short. You’d expect some sort of tactical analysis for the previous and upcoming games. A focus on individual training? Tallies with what I’m seeing in terms of performances to be honest. Finished by lunch time? No wonder the players are loving it!
Sounds the polar opposite of what the likes of Pep are doing, and I expect most coaches who focus on system over the individual.
I wouldn’t want Scotty back
I wouldn't mind him but I think he is happy there and good for him that he is doing well
The fun and giggles Solskjaer finished 3rd and 2nd* and the wider problems only really appeared after the Ronaldo signing.
*I'll throw in a caveat that those positions aren't good enough but it's a hell of a lot better than almost all of the others.
The demanding and highly complex Van Gaal played some of the most football I've ever seen at Old Trafford. I don't think K Stand saw a goal for months.
Now clearly there's a massive middle ground here but I'm also of the belief that football has been massively and needlessly over complicated.
Carrick might not be the type of manager we need but we've tried every other kind and they've all failed. We may aswell give him a go and back him up with a proper coaching structure and wider set up working behind him.
Guardiola has had the backing of a nation state behind him at city** and inherited the clear genius of Messi at Barca to originally make his name.
**Wider management of squads becomes irrelevant when you can disregard 100 million pound signings after two/three years.