Because Fergie has trained his players to adapt and perform in different positions during situations like these, whereas Carrick is still relatively new and less experienced as a manager.
Michael Carrick - Head Coach for the remainder of the season
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Mbeumo and Amad should play rw, yesterday we were hitting ball long and immediately ball went Bournemouth like clockwork. sesko should have come on alot earlier as he can hold the ball as well as provide aerial threat. admittedly utd have limited options but that doesn't mean we should let the game flow by, mainoo or casa sub should have happened earlier as we had no mf control. I get there is a drop in quality with ugarte but then we should at least explore mf options from academy, we still have alot to play for, at least try other combinations.
And Carrick has also had zero influence on the squad.
It's hard to properly judge him unti he manages us in a proper two game a week season and with a squad that is no longer very weak outside of a core of about 15/16 players.
Exactly my concerns too. He’s tactically stubborn just like Amorim. Not as anywhere near as extreme as Amorim with his stupid formation but his inability to change his in game plan. Every substitution is always like for like.
Playing Mbuemo as a striker every game is incredibly frustrating. He offers absolutely nothing in the role.
The performance was ok for me, dodgy penalty decisions are out of our hands.
We were the better team but let Bournemouth get into the game too much.
There are issues with our pressing and our defending to solve. The press needs to be more coordinated, we can‘t have 1 1/2 player press high and the midfielders/wingers not stepping up.
I‘d rather not see Mbeumo through the middle anymore. I feel likd he‘s playing himself out of form/confidence over there.
We were the better team but let Bournemouth get into the game too much.
There are issues with our pressing and our defending to solve. The press needs to be more coordinated, we can‘t have 1 1/2 player press high and the midfielders/wingers not stepping up.
I‘d rather not see Mbeumo through the middle anymore. I feel likd he‘s playing himself out of form/confidence over there.
Our pressing is always going to be substandard when Casemiro and Mainoo are in the middle and Shaw and Maguire are in the backline.
If we overcommit we're prone to getting ripped open with direct passes through the lines. So it means the attackers are often on their own in the press, which just isn't enough to be truly effective.
More athleticism in the squad would improve us in that regard.
We can definitely push up more, because now we certainly get played through. Alternatively, we can opt more often to press in a deeper area. It is one or the other, I‘d spank the players if they did it to me.
Figuratively speaking of course.
This team or thereabouts saw ETH and Amorim deliver some of the consistently worse performances and results since SAF, that Carrick has us levels above that is very impressive and telling.
Compare our squad to that of Liverpool who just spent half a billion or Chelsea who have 3x our players
Carrick is doing a fantastic job with a squad that is threadbare and not well structured, in hindsight whilst I love them both Mbuemo and Cunha not suited to this formation, and TBH not sure we needed Mbuemo when we had Amad seems like they are getting in each others way, I hope Carrick gets the time and squad to have an opportunity to prove himself or fail on merit
Compare our squad to that of Liverpool who just spent half a billion or Chelsea who have 3x our players
Carrick is doing a fantastic job with a squad that is threadbare and not well structured, in hindsight whilst I love them both Mbuemo and Cunha not suited to this formation, and TBH not sure we needed Mbuemo when we had Amad seems like they are getting in each others way, I hope Carrick gets the time and squad to have an opportunity to prove himself or fail on merit
I expected what we saw and what he's shown all season. I don't remember a time when Ugarte's "mobility" has offered us very much this season.
He's had good performances in previous seasons but he's not performed well in quite some time, whatever is going on with him.
As far as I recall the opposition tend to get more possession and run through us even more easily after his introduction.
Do you recall a time when he replaced Casemiro this season and we looked more defensively sound afterwards?
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It’s not like the squad has much depth to make substantial changes to be honest. Apart from a Sesko start, who should we mix it up with? Ugarte, Diego Leon, Chido Obi and Fredricson?
Hardly amazing options.
Please, he might not be the best passer, but he's pretty good at recovering the ball and keeping up with his man, something we lacked last night.
Can you recall a time then, no? Casemiro is getting on in years but Ugarte needs to go this Summer as well. We were robbed on that deal
Exactly what boro fans said about him
I'd vote for dropping Mbeumo. Amad is still somewhat useful and can win us a pena...
Nevermind
Yep. Read exactly that about him
We are scraping results or being bailed out whilst playing god awfully on what has been a steady decline since his first match in charge.
What are people seeing? Just because its Carrick? What we are seeing is exactly what everyone saw at Middlesbrough. It ain't good enough long term for this club. Its fine for an interim but he cannot be our first choice.
This is quite a funny take. We were literally robbed of 3 points vs Bournemouth and had broadly good performances on the whole, whilst granting dips against the likes of West Ham, Newcastle and perhaps another.
This idea that other top managers can do much better is quire laughable.
Apart from Sesko up top, what tactical differences would people want Carrick to do?
We’re desperate to finish in the CL places, he knows that and I think big enough to put the club above his own goals of trying to change to much from what’s been a winning formula.
He could put Bruno deeper but he’s been so much better further forward as everyone expected.
We’ve had no one else fit or good enough to make any other player changes, so what’s the tactical changes people are wanting him to try whilst also ensuring we get enough points for CL?
We’re desperate to finish in the CL places, he knows that and I think big enough to put the club above his own goals of trying to change to much from what’s been a winning formula.
He could put Bruno deeper but he’s been so much better further forward as everyone expected.
We’ve had no one else fit or good enough to make any other player changes, so what’s the tactical changes people are wanting him to try whilst also ensuring we get enough points for CL?
"If we had a proper manager we would win every game 5-0 no matter what players we had".
Some people think football is primarily decided by whatever manager a team has. Like if Guardiola was managing Wolves they would be challenging for the title.
More control or some shit.
Apart from going player/manager, that ain’t happening with any midfield combinations we put out.
The last couple of performances have been decent, and certainly an improvement on Newcastle. So this 'they get worse and worse every week' shite I keep seeing from you lot is laughable.
Mate, are you really expecting me to provide you with every instance of Ugarte recovering the ball? If you cannot see the need for fresh legs to cover ground in the MF during the last night's game, i cannot help you. Bournemouth players went up high then dropped deep to the center line, effectively nullifying any press we tried to implement. Casemiro was always late to close down on his man which ultimately affected our shape in general before another player had to cover for him.
Finding it really hard to see how someone can look at what has happened in the games Casemiro has been subbed off in and suggesting taking him off was the right thing to do.
By all means, let Casemiro be more conservative and shield the back four, take off Cunha or Amad and let Bruno roam off the wing, but every time we take Casemiro off and replace him with Ugarte we instantly lose all control of the game, which has been proven time after time. Amorim's habit of subbing him off every time he was on a yellow saw us lose a shit ton of game as evidenced by Ugarte having the lowest points per game of all United players this season. It's not good news when he comes on for Casemiro, yellow or not.
The refereeing decision was bad that's for sure, but Bournemouth were all over us for for a good chunk of the game, the stats back that up, lets not act like we were absolutely dominating them from start to finish and all it took was a piss poor refereeing decision for us to drop points. We played exactly the same, bad upfront, Sesko dropped even though it was obvious he should have played. Same shit.
We've been bailed out of multiple matches, that's just a fact. You're acting as if every match has been some Carrick masterclass that somehow only he could make happen and no one else in world football can. You say that the idea that other top managers can do much better is laughable like what, of course they could? There's obviously no guarantee but why is it laughable to suggest a top manager can at least do what Carrick has done
.The reality is there will be too many people absolutely blindsided by loyalty and fanatacism just because its Michael Carrick, same happened with Solskjaer. Has he done a good job as an interim? Yes, nobody would argue otherwise. Is what we are seeing sustainable in a longterm permanent capacity? No. Our attackers like Mbeumo clearly don't fit what Carrick is trying to do, which is mainly just one way of playing as it was at Middlesbrough, that is barely adapted, and cannot break down low blocks either. For some reason he insists on shoehorning him into the side to the detriment of our most inform attack too despite this. His ingame management beyond just bringing on Sesko feels questionable and the timing off.
I know what you'll say, the results, and yes they've been good on paper, you won't see me arguing this fact either, it will be great if he can get us CL football. But there's no way you're gonna sit there and tell me the performances have been great, surely even you can admit they have been on steady decline since he took over, with specific players especially looking like shells of themselves currently. The wins don't tell the full story, that's obvious even to the naked eye. To me i'm watching his stint at Middlesbrough, that's what i'm seeing. That's why I'm a lot less agreeable on this being a permanent appointment.
I'm glad he called out the performance of the referee yesterday.
We've had a possible 4 points taken away from us because of the same referee. With those points, we'd have been home and dry with top 4.
We've had a possible 4 points taken away from us because of the same referee. With those points, we'd have been home and dry with top 4.
Well said. Crazy we had pretty much a similar situation with Ole and some are so happy to fall into the same trapThe refereeing decision was bad that's for sure, but Bournemouth were all over us for for a good chunk of the game, the stats back that up, lets not act like we were absolutely dominating them from start to finish and all it took was a piss poor refereeing decision for us to drop points. We played exactly the same, bad upfront, Sesko dropped even though it was obvious he should have played. Same shit.
We've been bailed out of multiple matches, that's just a fact. You're acting as if every match has been some Carrick masterclass that somehow only he could make happen and no one else in world football can. You say that the idea that other top managers can do much better is laughable like what, of course they could? There's obviously no guarantee but why is it laughable to suggest a top manager can at least do what Carrick has done
The reality is there will be too many people absolutely blindsided by loyalty and fanatacism just because its Michael Carrick, same happened with Solskjaer. Has he done a good job as an interim? Yes, nobody would argue otherwise. Is what we are seeing sustainable in a longterm permanent capacity? No. Our attackers like Mbeumo clearly don't fit what Carrick is trying to do, which is mainly just one way of playing as it was at Middlesbrough, that is barely adapted, and cannot break down low blocks either. For some reason he insists on shoehorning him into the side to the detriment of our most inform attack too despite this. His ingame management beyond just bringing on Sesko feels questionable and the timing off.
I know what you'll say, the results, and yes they've been good on paper, you won't see me arguing this fact either, it will be great if he can get us CL football. But there's no way you're gonna sit there and tell me the performances have been great, surely even you can admit they have been on steady decline since he took over, with specific players especially looking like shells of themselves currently. The wins don't tell the full story, that's obvious even to the naked eye. To me i'm watching his stint at Middlesbrough, that's what i'm seeing. That's why I'm a lot less agreeable on this being a permanent appointment.
We were robbed two points but after today’s results one point is still not that bad! 
Obviously not and that's not what I asked. One would have done but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find one. That's my point which I thought was as obvious as it could get.
You can give it the old 'if you can't see blah then I can't help you' schtick all you like but we didn't drop points because we didn't bring on Ugarte early enough ffs
Quite bizarre to try and put that one on the manager. We create enough to win the game and we're shafted by the officials making it 1-1 when it should have been 2-0.
It's ok mate, no point banging our heads over it. I believe having Ugartes mobility would have helped, you don't. It's ok to disagree.Obviously not and that's not what I asked. One would have done but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find one. That's my point which I thought was as obvious as it could get.
You can give it the old 'if you can't see blah then I can't help you' schtick all you like but we didn't drop points because we didn't bring on Ugarte early enough ffs
Quite bizarre to try and put that one on the manager. We create enough to win the game and we're shafted by the officials making it 1-1 when it should have been 2-0.
You're projecting mate, I'm putting the blame solely on the crooked ref, and we should have won. Last night's result wasn't on Carrick. Though it is something I've been saying about Carrick for weeks now, he's always late with his decisions.
I think he's sticking to what works because he's in no position to plan for a long term style. So he's basically putting his best players on the pitch each game with little room to flexibility. I think sticking with Mbeumo up front is a repetitive mistake from him, and I think he does it because he offers more defensively, but it comes at a cost of having no threat upfront. It should be either Amad or Mbeumo on the right, he can choose who works best.
Mazraoui wasn’t even in the squad , maybe he could have tried Lammens there?
I never get people picking random players to
Play in a position they’ve never playing in.
The stats actually don't back up your point. We were the team in better ascendency and with better chances up until the sending off. We should have been 2-0 up, at least - if you consider the stone cold pen that wasn't given, plus Bruno's big chance cleared off the line plus Amad's chance prior to that. They didn't get a sniff on our goal outside of Christies' effort which wouldn't have happened if the ref could do their job on calling the pen.The refereeing decision was bad that's for sure, but Bournemouth were all over us for for a good chunk of the game, the stats back that up, lets not act like we were absolutely dominating them from start to finish and all it took was a piss poor refereeing decision for us to drop points. We played exactly the same, bad upfront, Sesko dropped even though it was obvious he should have played. Same shit.
We've been bailed out of multiple matches, that's just a fact. You're acting as if every match has been some Carrick masterclass that somehow only he could make happen and no one else in world football can. You say that the idea that other top managers can do much better is laughable like what, of course they could? There's obviously no guarantee but why is it laughable to suggest a top manager can at least do what Carrick has done
The reality is there will be too many people absolutely blindsided by loyalty and fanatacism just because its Michael Carrick, same happened with Solskjaer. Has he done a good job as an interim? Yes, nobody would argue otherwise. Is what we are seeing sustainable in a longterm permanent capacity? No. Our attackers like Mbeumo clearly don't fit what Carrick is trying to do, which is mainly just one way of playing as it was at Middlesbrough, that is barely adapted, and cannot break down low blocks either. For some reason he insists on shoehorning him into the side to the detriment of our most inform attack too despite this. His ingame management beyond just bringing on Sesko feels questionable and the timing off.
I know what you'll say, the results, and yes they've been good on paper, you won't see me arguing this fact either, it will be great if he can get us CL football. But there's no way you're gonna sit there and tell me the performances have been great, surely even you can admit they have been on steady decline since he took over, with specific players especially looking like shells of themselves currently. The wins don't tell the full story, that's obvious even to the naked eye. To me i'm watching his stint at Middlesbrough, that's what i'm seeing. That's why I'm a lot less agreeable on this being a permanent appointment.
We haven't been 'bailed' out of multiple matches really. There were games where we were sluggish and won narrowly but this doesn't mean we wouldnt have won them if we didnt get the chance at the time it happened. In fact, the top sides have had as much or more sluggish games as we've had, which speaks volumes to the competitiveness of this Premier League season. This idea that a top manager can match what Carrick has done is laughable because he's been oustandingly good and led the line in the pack, including bettering Arteta and Pep in his results, and in a big part in his performances.
There's no fanaticism with me and Carrick, I actually went in wanting an established coach. But you also have to call a spade a spade and say fair fecks when he's out there controlling games no worse than Arteta and Pep and being as good value, if not better value in his results.
Performances are relative, and our performances have been no less convincing than most if not all the teams in the Premier League. Arsenal are charging for a title and scraped Brighton with 0.2XG, had a nervous win vs Everton, and skimmed other matches. City are worse than we since Carrick came by a mile, and lets not even consider Liverpool and the like. If it isn't obvious by now, this isn't a generic PL table where City and one other lead the pack by 20 odd points, and relegation/top 4 races are over with many weeks to go. Heck, Everton Brentford Fulham Newcastle are among European contention. Everton can creep into the top 5! This is a season where no team is really controlling consistently. You have to put your judgement in perspective.
Comparing Carrick to Ole is about as lazy as me comparing Mourinho's appointment to us to any big name manager right now.
Our tactical shape currently looks better than it has been in years. I especially enjoyed the first 30 minutes of the game vs Bournemouth where we sustained attacks with a high defensive line. As Bournemouth grew into the game, our defensive line understandably dropped off, but I still thought we were in control for large parts of the match until the red card.
Mentality wise, I've got to credit Carrick for making us look less brittle. So many times over the years, we've folded under the first sign of pressure. Whereas now we look more composed on and off the ball. That stronger mentality comes from the manager.
Mentality wise, I've got to credit Carrick for making us look less brittle. So many times over the years, we've folded under the first sign of pressure. Whereas now we look more composed on and off the ball. That stronger mentality comes from the manager.
Ya he needs to bring back 5 at the back
Fair enough on that and sorry for putting words in your mouth. I did think Sesko should have started and if he didn't start then he should have come on earlier than the 70th min.
The thing is though he's won 7 out of 10 games, only lost once and many of the goals, often the winning goal has come from a substitute so what the hell do I know.
Honestly, I think Mbeumo and Amad has been average in the last few matches. After the AFCON, both has seen a dipped in form. Sesko is currently better as a sub. We let every left winger leave or go on loan because of Amorim. I don't think Carrick has much options, whoever is coaching would have the same problem. Most important thing is to finish top 5, sign another 4-5 players. We need to find young potential players with 2-3 good seasons between 23-25. We need to get a couple of older players who can do a job on a lesser transfer fee (Welback). Sell Ugarte, Zirkzee, Rashford, Malacia and Onana. We need to start bringing academy players, JJ needs to be used sparingly next season (he needs more muscle and strength. What happen to Lacey?) That way we will have 7-8 new players to manage next year fixtures.
He has done a fantastic job as the interim - you really could not expect much more from a mid-season interim appointment.
In terms of who gets the full time job this summer, though, at this stage I am not particularly enthusiastic about Carrick's candidacy. I've seen enough (from the interim role and also his time at Boro) to give a pretty clear indication of what his United side would look like long-term and it's not really the direction I think we should be going in.
That being said, the managerial landscape has shifted somewhat in Carrick's favour in the past couple of months, with fewer of the top candidates now likely to be available in the summer than was previously thought. With that being the case, if United manage to finish top 5, I think it is highly likely that the club's hierarchy do indeed end up offering Carrick the job for next season. I'm sure United will already be coming under pressure from prospective players' agents ahead of the summer window to name a full time appointment asap to give some certainty and stability.
I think one can also make the argument that, right now, United having the best possible manager is of lesser importance than the necessity to build up the squad - in my view, we're in need of at least eight new players over the next 18 months or so and the club will likely take the view that this project will be easier with a lower profile (and consequently more acquiescent / compliant) manager in place, like Carrick, who is much more likely to essentially accept what he's given in terms of players, than someone like, for example, Enrique would be, who would no doubt make demands that might be at odds with the club's plans for long-term squad building.
In terms of who gets the full time job this summer, though, at this stage I am not particularly enthusiastic about Carrick's candidacy. I've seen enough (from the interim role and also his time at Boro) to give a pretty clear indication of what his United side would look like long-term and it's not really the direction I think we should be going in.
That being said, the managerial landscape has shifted somewhat in Carrick's favour in the past couple of months, with fewer of the top candidates now likely to be available in the summer than was previously thought. With that being the case, if United manage to finish top 5, I think it is highly likely that the club's hierarchy do indeed end up offering Carrick the job for next season. I'm sure United will already be coming under pressure from prospective players' agents ahead of the summer window to name a full time appointment asap to give some certainty and stability.
I think one can also make the argument that, right now, United having the best possible manager is of lesser importance than the necessity to build up the squad - in my view, we're in need of at least eight new players over the next 18 months or so and the club will likely take the view that this project will be easier with a lower profile (and consequently more acquiescent / compliant) manager in place, like Carrick, who is much more likely to essentially accept what he's given in terms of players, than someone like, for example, Enrique would be, who would no doubt make demands that might be at odds with the club's plans for long-term squad building.