Michael Carrick - Head Coach for the remainder of the season

[Isotope]

My concern about appointing carrick is that he seems to have one plan that he sticks to every game, and that plan is resulting in poorer performances each week

I haven't yet seen an ability to alter things tactically beyond bringing in sesko

I don't see Arteta and Guardiola changing plans in every game. They mostly stick to the same game pan, unless there are injuries.

Also, if they have Casemiro and Mainoo in midfield, with Ugarte as the only sub, how do you think Arsenal and City would fare?

I think he's been some sort of miracle, with how the team perform and where we're seating comfortably at 3rd. It still feels like a dream. Just like the feeling of United now having a competent Gk. It just feels unreal.

I don't understand of why people is very hard to please and be content. Instead, prefer a risk of having merry-go-round managers just like United, Chelsea, Spurs, and others.

 

[next_number_seven]

I don't see Arteta and Guardiola changing plans in every game. They mostly stick to the same game pan, unless there are injuries.

Also, if they have Casemiro and Mainoo in midfield, with Ugarte as the only sub, how do you think Arsenal and City would fare?

I think he's been some sort of miracle, with how the team perform and where we're seating comfortably at 3rd. It still feels like a dream. Just like the feeling of United now having a competent Gk. It just feels unreal.

I don't understand of why people is very hard to please and be content. Instead, prefer a risk of having merry-go-round managers just like United, Chelsea, Spurs, and others.

We were 11 points off 3rd in mid January. Now we're 3rd and 4 points ahead of 4th.

That's a miracle albeit helped by the teams around us playing badly.

 

[Fracture90]

Fair enough on that and sorry for putting words in your mouth. I did think Sesko should have started and if he didn't start then he should have come on earlier than the 70th min.

The thing is though he's won 7 out of 10 games, only lost once and many of the goals, often the winning goal has come from a substitute so what the hell do I know.

All good, don't worry about it.

I certainly think that Sesko should start whenever we're facing an opponent that drops deep, because he's the only aerial threat. Crossing inside the box, from open play, when he isn't there is meaningless.

Starting Mbunda against opponents that give us space for runs in behind should be automatic i think.

 

[SuperiorXI]

He's doing an unbelievable job but for some reason it just doesn't feel right long term. I worry about how things will go when he gets some of his own players and a full season and the narrative and expectations change.

I think the right approach is to have a sit down with all of our managerial targets (this should be happening now, not in the summer) and then the club footballing hierarchy make a decision on who to take. Include Carrick in this process, he should be interviewed too.

The questions should be around a 3 to 5 year plan, what the club want to do and how the manager plans to fit into that vision. At the end of this process make a decision and stick to it.

 

[davidmichael]

On the question of what Carrick can do tactically I do think there’s only a few things he can do without the drop off in quality being a problem and there’s injuries to arguably our best two centre backs.

One tactical difference would be to play Mazraoui at right back ahead of Dalot as Dalot is a liability at times and was awful against Bournemouth, the other thing Carrick can do is make subs much quicker as leaving Casemiro on the pitch on a yellow hinders his game which is why Bournemouth equalised.

Then there’s the Amad/Mbeumo/Sesko issue of who plays and where they play but right now Carrick is intent on either Amad on the right and Mbeumo through the middle or Mbeumo on the right and Sesko through the middle, why not try Amad on the right and Sesko through the middle which is a lot more intensity and directness.

 

[moodyred]

I don't see Arteta and Guardiola changing plans in every game. They mostly stick to the same game pan, unless there are injuries.

Also, if they have Casemiro and Mainoo in midfield, with Ugarte as the only sub, how do you think Arsenal and City would fare?

I think he's been some sort of miracle, with how the team perform and where we're seating comfortably at 3rd. It still feels like a dream. Just like the feeling of United now having a competent Gk. It just feels unreal.

I don't understand of why people is very hard to please and be content. Instead, prefer a risk of having merry-go-round managers just like United, Chelsea, Spurs, and others.

I agree with you. Even when Ole took over, he inherited a much better team than this. Carrick has done fantastic with a weaker team. I would support giving him a chance if he continues to perform till end of season.

 

[Zen86]

I agree with you. Even when Ole took over, he inherited a much better team than this. Carrick has done fantastic with a weaker team. I would support giving him a chance if he continues to perform till end of season.

Did he? That team was poor, despite the 2nd place finish beforehand.

 

[NLunited]

On the question of what Carrick can do tactically I do think there’s only a few things he can do without the drop off in quality being a problem and there’s injuries to arguably our best two centre backs.

One tactical difference would be to play Mazraoui at right back ahead of Dalot as Dalot is a liability at times and was awful against Bournemouth, the other thing Carrick can do is make subs much quicker as leaving Casemiro on the pitch on a yellow hinders his game which is why Bournemouth equalised.

Then there’s the Amad/Mbeumo/Sesko issue of who plays and where they play but right now Carrick is intent on either Amad on the right and Mbeumo through the middle or Mbeumo on the right and Sesko through the middle, why not try Amad on the right and Sesko through the middle which is a lot more intensity and directness.

Cunha on the left, Šeško in the middle and Amad or Mbeumo on the right. It doesn’t hurt to have a quality winger on the bench.

Mbeumo‘s form has dropped from playing him out of position.

Mazraoui should have played Dalot out of the line up by now. His injuries are probably why he hasn‘t.

 

[AneRu]

Mazraoui wasn’t even in the squad , maybe he could have tried Lammens there?
I never get people picking random players to
Play in a position they’ve never playing in.

I must have imagined Fergie, Mourinho and others using defenders to shore up their midfield. We have seen this happening and working over the years so I don't get where you are coming from, it's not like I suggested any random player - those two have skill sets that can be useful in midfield so it's not that wild.

 

[Aboutreika18]

Then he creates them, he played under Fergie and he saw him bring on Phil Jones or the DA Silva twins into midfield just to get the team over the line. Why not try Mazraoui or Heaven when he saw that Casemiro had begun to struggle with the pace of the game?

When did the Da Silva twins play in midfield? Rafael played CM in that costly disaster of a 3-2 home defeat to Blackburn and both played on the wings in that FA cup game against Arsenal but other than those rare examples?

 

[horsechoker]

I'd give him until he gets sacked

 

[nacho cheese]

A lot of potential world class managers, with instrumental tactical nouse over here, if you go by the critique and comments in this thread. Also some great astrologers who know exactly what will happen in future.

 

[Olecurls99]

He has done a fantastic job as the interim - you really could not expect much more from a mid-season interim appointment.

In terms of who gets the full time job this summer, though, at this stage I am not particularly enthusiastic about Carrick's candidacy. I've seen enough (from the interim role and also his time at Boro) to give a pretty clear indication of what his United side would look like long-term and it's not really the direction I think we should be going in.

That being said, the managerial landscape has shifted somewhat in Carrick's favour in the past couple of months, with fewer of the top candidates now likely to be available in the summer than was previously thought. With that being the case, if United manage to finish top 5, I think it is highly likely that the club's hierarchy do indeed end up offering Carrick the job for next season. I'm sure United will already be coming under pressure from prospective players' agents ahead of the summer window to name a full time appointment asap to give some certainty and stability.

I think one can also make the argument that, right now, United having the best possible manager is of lesser importance than the necessity to build up the squad - in my view, we're in need of at least eight new players over the next 18 months or so and the club will likely take the view that this project will be easier with a lower profile (and consequently more acquiescent / compliant) manager in place, like Carrick, who is much more likely to essentially accept what he's given in terms of players, than someone like, for example, Enrique would be, who would no doubt make demands that might be at odds with the club's plans for long-term squad building.

So we hire Enrique in 15 months time after we've signed players he doesn't want. I am not understanding this.

 

[Zumbi]

So we hire Enrique in 15 months time after we've signed players he doesn't want. I am not understanding this.

The whole point of our new recruitment structure is that they lead and direct transfer policy, not the manager. Any new manager coming in will be expected to work within that established framework. As an example Amorim wanted Watkins and Martinez but got Sesko and Lammens instead, because the latter two were more in line with Vivell and Wilcox’s long term transfer strategy.

 

[Wilt]

Cool, calm and collected

 

[Olecurls99]

The whole point of our new recruitment structure is that they lead and direct transfer policy, not the manager. Any new manager coming in will be expected to work within that established framework. As an example Amorim wanted Watkins and Martinez but got Sesko and Lammens instead, because the latter two were more in line with Vivell and Wilcox’s long term transfer strategy.

Yep. The Jason Wilcox framework. 3 cheers for Jason Wilcox.

How he got the reigns of Manchester United will baffle people for decades to come.

 

[Zumbi]

Yep. The Jason Wilcox framework. 3 cheers for Jason Wilcox

Sarcasm aside, and whether you like Wilcox or not, our new recruitment structure seems to be an improvement on the jumbled mess of a transfer approach we had previously. Do you disagree?

Do you think Watkins and Martinez would have been better signings than Sesko and Lammens, for example?

 

[Olecurls99]

Sarcasm aside, and whether you like Wilcox or not, our new recruitment structure seems to be an improvement on the jumbled mess of a transfer approach we had previously. Do you disagree?

Do you think Watkins and Martinez would have been better signings than Sesko and Lammens, for example?

I think the signings have been good. I don't think a top manager will want to work under Jason Wilcox.

 

[Zumbi]

I think the signings have been good. I don't think a top manager will want to work under Jason Wilcox.

If him and his team are proving effective at recruitment and squad management I don’t see why not. For example, Carrick inherited a better squad than Amorim did and that had provided a better foundation for him to succeed. If our transfer policy and squad management continues to move in that direction then in theory any new manager we may bring in down the road should be coming into an even stronger foundation .

 

[Lash]

Sarcasm aside, and whether you like Wilcox or not, our new recruitment structure seems to be an improvement on the jumbled mess of a transfer approach we had previously. Do you disagree?

Do you think Watkins and Martinez would have been better signings than Sesko and Lammens, for example?

It's an improvement in individual quality of the signings, but it's still clearly a jumbled mess when it comes to where we want to go or who our manager is. I don't really think we have any idea where we go with this squad.

I think they probably would have been equally as good, because they're both good players. Sesko and Lammens may prove to be better long term signings, but let's not forget Carrick doesn't even start Sesko.

It feels a bit of the tail wagging the dog at the moment, but let's see if they go for Carrick and what that means for recruitment and squad management with CL football in mind.

 

[Zumbi]

It's an improvement in individual quality of the signings, but it's still clearly a jumbled mess when it comes to where we want to go or who our manager is. I don't really think we have any idea where we go with this squad.

I think they probably would have been equally as good, because they're both good players. Sesko and Lammens may prove to be better long term signings, but let's not forget Carrick doesn't even start Sesko.

It feels a bit of the tail wagging the dog at the moment, but let's see if they go for Carrick and what that means for recruitment and squad management with CL football in mind.

Agreed, we’ve still been in a mess in terms of an overarching direction beyond just player recruitment because the hire of Amorim proved to be such an unmitigated disaster. Hopefully INEOS learn from that and avoid making a similar mistake again with such a specific and stubborn system based coach we don’t have the personnel for.

In terms of player recruitment, our squad was so poor and unbalanced we were never going to fix it in one window. But despite the Amorim debacle, our squad is still better and higher performing now than it was at this time last year. If we have another similarly good summer then it’ll be another significant step in the right direction, for whoever our manager is.

With regards to Sesko and Lammens, there’s little doubt in my mind they’ve proven to be more a sensible option than Watkins and Martinez because not only have they made a very positive impact in the short term but their age profiles are far better with regards to the medium and long term. Having to replace a GK and 9 in a few years time with little to no sell on value would have had a negative impact on our available transfer funds and recruitment opportunities in future windows. It’s just better long term strategic planning, which is, after all, the very point of having a recruitment team and strategy which transcends individual coaches/managers.

I have no idea what Sesko playing more as a sub than a starter has to do with anything because he’s already made a very positive impact on our campaign regardless, scoring goals and winning us valuable points in that role.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

He's done really well and I like the fact that I don't want to watch his press conferences. I genuinely see that as a good thing, he never says mental stuff that can be misconstrued and is very level headed. Under Amorim and ETHi would watch every presser waiting for some mad comment.

 

[Stacker]

I don't see Arteta and Guardiola changing plans in every game. They mostly stick to the same game pan, unless there are injuries.

Also, if they have Casemiro and Mainoo in midfield, with Ugarte as the only sub, how do you think Arsenal and City would fare?

I think he's been some sort of miracle, with how the team perform and where we're seating comfortably at 3rd. It still feels like a dream. Just like the feeling of United now having a competent Gk. It just feels unreal.

I don't understand of why people is very hard to please and be content. Instead, prefer a risk of having merry-go-round managers just like United, Chelsea, Spurs, and others.

And realistically, I can’t see a stronger line up apart from maybe Sesko starting. It’s not like we’ve got much depth to mix things up much at the moment.

With the injuries on top he’s done a solid job to get United third.

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

I like him, he's surprised me as I didn't think his personality would be what we needed but calmness is something everyone at the club needed. Like a poster above said, not excited about his press conferences which is a good thing. Ruben did my head in.

With the options available, the only one I would be interested in is Luis Enrique, who'd be very hard to get in. If that's not possible, keep Carrick on but please on a short term contract. We know how quickly things can turn south at this football club.

 

[DSG]

The refereeing decision was bad that's for sure, but Bournemouth were all over us for for a good chunk of the game, the stats back that up, lets not act like we were absolutely dominating them from start to finish and all it took was a piss poor refereeing decision for us to drop points. We played exactly the same, bad upfront, Sesko dropped even though it was obvious he should have played. Same shit.

We've been bailed out of multiple matches, that's just a fact. You're acting as if every match has been some Carrick masterclass that somehow only he could make happen and no one else in world football can. You say that the idea that other top managers can do much better is laughable like what, of course they could? There's obviously no guarantee but why is it laughable to suggest a top manager can at least do what Carrick has done .

The reality is there will be too many people absolutely blindsided by loyalty and fanatacism just because its Michael Carrick, same happened with Solskjaer. Has he done a good job as an interim? Yes, nobody would argue otherwise. Is what we are seeing sustainable in a longterm permanent capacity? No. Our attackers like Mbeumo clearly don't fit what Carrick is trying to do, which is mainly just one way of playing as it was at Middlesbrough, that is barely adapted, and cannot break down low blocks either. For some reason he insists on shoehorning him into the side to the detriment of our most inform attack too despite this. His ingame management beyond just bringing on Sesko feels questionable and the timing off.

I know what you'll say, the results, and yes they've been good on paper, you won't see me arguing this fact either, it will be great if he can get us CL football. But there's no way you're gonna sit there and tell me the performances have been great, surely even you can admit they have been on steady decline since he took over, with specific players especially looking like shells of themselves currently. The wins don't tell the full story, that's obvious even to the naked eye. To me i'm watching his stint at Middlesbrough, that's what i'm seeing. That's why I'm a lot less agreeable on this being a permanent appointment.

Once again, the internet wins. A post that lacks nuance, like almost every post on the Caf.

Bournemouth is a good team, we were away from home and they play a style that is difficult to deal with.

It’s the disease of finding the next SAF. We shouldn’t be looking for that because that is absolutely luck, nothing more. Possibly Ancelotti, Klopp, Zidane, Pep and Enrique would be the five managers that have the pedigree we would all want. Pep will never come here. Enrique has a better team/squad in a better city. He’ll never come here. Ancelotti would be the most likely and I’d be happy to see him on the touchline. Klopp is retired and won’t come here anyway and Zidane is taking over the France team.

I don’t see the issue with Carrick not changing tactics. I think the lack of a press or weak press was because possibly their CBs are pretty good on the ball and the 3 man midfield means we need to be cautious. Tactics are not created in a vacuum and the other team’s strengths and weaknesses need to be taken into account.

I agree that Mbeumo is wasted at the 9. His best performances have come on the RW getting behind. Furthermore, our lack of enthusiasm in winning 2nd balls is most likely down to having a 2 man midfield one of which is 33 and the other not known for his athleticism. I think this is intentional on Carrick’s part. Love that he’s in a 4-4-2 when defending, I think that’s the right call. We really didn’t give up much and the first goal was a lucky shot through the legs of a defender, perfectly placed.

All in all, Carrick is not perfect tactically, but it’s impossible to be so when your squad is limited.

Happy to see how all of this turns out.

 

[Witchking]

As we are inching closer to the end of the season, I am agreeing with Keane more and more.

Best option would be for United to get in to the champions league and Carrick to move on with a wave of goodwill and test and hone his skills further with another club. Or at least have an in depth interview just like other managers instead of being confirmed directly due to fan pressure.

You honestly need to be a cnut with a motor mouth when things aren't going your way and also be able to keep the press on their toes. Not like the jack ass Arteta is, but in the Fergie mould or Klopp.

Carrick is too quiet to have a personality that the players will be looking to impress and play for. Right now he is a temporary manager and things are working out.

3 games a week, injury crises, losing badly to Liverpool, City or back to back losses next season and suddenly we have another Ole situation. Just what I think is most probable to happen if he becomes the permanent manager.

 

[Ole's screen]

As we are inching closer to the end of the season, I am agreeing with Keane more and more.

Best option would be for United to get in to the champions league and Carrick to move on with a wave of goodwill and test and hone his skills further with another club. Or at least have an in depth interview just like other managers instead of being confirmed directly due to fan pressure.

You honestly need to be a cnut with a motor mouth when things aren't going your way and also be able to keep the press on their toes. Not like the jack ass Arteta is, but in the Fergie mould or Klopp.

Carrick is too quiet to have a personality that the players will be looking to impress and play for. Right now he is a temporary manager and things are working out.

3 games a week, injury crises, losing badly to Liverpool, City or back to back losses next season and suddenly we have another Ole situation. Just what I think is most probable to happen if he becomes the permanent manager.

Literally every other manager would still be there then. You want to behave like the guy who breaks up with a girlfriend way above his league because she's not a model.

 

[Witchking]

Literally every other manager would still be there then. You want to behave like the guy who breaks up with a girlfriend way above his league because she's not a model.

This would be, me be hanging out with someone knowing it will be for a short term fling and then deciding to end the short term once the the short term has passed.
The girl would be aware that it is a friends with benefits short term fling.
The world can talk of us being great together but unless i lead the girl on a wrong path and promise marriage and back out, your analogy is not correct.

The club has not hoodwinked Carrick and promised him a permanent role when he took on the care taker role so him expecting United to give him the main job should not arise.
And Carrick is certainly not way above United's league.
I just am not seeing a time when Carrick leads United to the league title and a champions league title. FA Cup, Carling Cup, sure, but we have been getting there in the recent years anyway.
So when we have the chance, we need to explore and exhaust every avenue before reaching out to Carrick to be the permanent manager.

 

[philippexyz]

As we are inching closer to the end of the season, I am agreeing with Keane more and more.

Best option would be for United to get in to the champions league and Carrick to move on with a wave of goodwill and test and hone his skills further with another club. Or at least have an in depth interview just like other managers instead of being confirmed directly due to fan pressure.

You honestly need to be a cnut with a motor mouth when things aren't going your way and also be able to keep the press on their toes. Not like the jack ass Arteta is, but in the Fergie mould or Klopp.

Carrick is too quiet to have a personality that the players will be looking to impress and play for. Right now he is a temporary manager and things are working out.

3 games a week, injury crises, losing badly to Liverpool, City or back to back losses next season and suddenly we have another Ole situation. Just what I think is most probable to happen if he becomes the permanent manager.

I agree. I don't see Carrick as someone that could win us a PL or CL. Top 4 and an odd cup here and there is his ceiling. We're gonna have an Ole situation all over again.

He's not particularly charismatic and probably not a great tactician as well. He is stabilizing the club after it was burned by Amorim, but not a long term solution.

 

[Dominos]

As we are inching closer to the end of the season, I am agreeing with Keane more and more.

Best option would be for United to get in to the champions league and Carrick to move on with a wave of goodwill and test and hone his skills further with another club. Or at least have an in depth interview just like other managers instead of being confirmed directly due to fan pressure.

You honestly need to be a cnut with a motor mouth when things aren't going your way and also be able to keep the press on their toes. Not like the jack ass Arteta is, but in the Fergie mould or Klopp.

Carrick is too quiet to have a personality that the players will be looking to impress and play for. Right now he is a temporary manager and things are working out.

3 games a week, injury crises, losing badly to Liverpool, City or back to back losses next season and suddenly we have another Ole situation. Just what I think is most probable to happen if he becomes the permanent manager.

Pseudo psychological analysis of his personality is the last reason I'd list for not giving Carrick the job.

If you're looking for reasons not to give him the job, the lack of managerial success at the highest level on his CV is reason enough. How "quiet" he is need not come into the equation. Having a manager who doesn't say dumb shit that makes negative headlines is probably a positive after what we've had over the last 13 years.

For all we know, he's an average championship manager who's riding a wave of positive variance and momentum in what will be a small sample size temporary 17 game spell under somewhat favourable circumstances (one game a week whilst all our rivals play twice).

Really, it's the people inside the club who will know if he's doing genuinely good work on the training pitch and has a cohesive long term vision on what the team needs. It's impossible for us to tell from the outside.

I agree. I don't see Carrick as someone that could win us a PL or CL. Top 4 and an odd cup here and there is his ceiling. We're gonna have an Ole situation all over again.

He's not particularly charismatic and probably not a great tactician as well. He is stabilizing the club after it was burned by Amorim, but not a long term solution.

To be fair I'd be surprised if anyone thought Arteta could win the league at any point in his first 2 and a half years into managing Arsenal - and here he is currently sitting 9 points clear. Neither do I think anyone really fancied Slot to win a league title especially given Ten Hag failed coming from the Dutch league.

 

[NLunited]

Pseudo psychological analysis of his personality is the last reason I'd list for not giving Carrick the job.

If you're looking for reasons not to give him the job, the lack of managerial success at the highest level on his CV is reason enough. How "quiet" he is need not come into the equation. Having a manager who doesn't say dumb shit that makes negative headlines is probably a positive after what we've had over the last 13 years.

For all we know, he's an average championship manager who's riding a wave of positive variance and momentum in what will be a small sample size temporary 17 game spell under somewhat favourable circumstances (one game a week whilst all our rivals play twice).

Really, it's the people inside the club who will know if he's doing genuinely good work on the training pitch and has a cohesive long term vision on what the team needs. It's impossible for us to tell from the outside.


To be fair I'd be surprised if anyone thought Arteta could win the league at any point in his first 2 and a half years into managing Arsenal - and here he is currently sitting 9 points clear. Neither do I think anyone really fancied Slot to win a league title especially given Ten Hag failed coming from the Dutch league.

Slot looked like a genius last year. This year not so much, but based on his work in Holland I can say he‘s a very good coach. There are reasons performances go down not related to managers.

When judging Carrick, it‘s wrong to assume he doesn’t know how to coach. He’s shown enough already to disprove that notion, and we would not appoint anyone who actually is a fraud.

I would not just hand him a three year contract either, why not 2 plus one, provided he keeps earning points.

 

[ManhattanRed]

I’m fairly convinced it’s going to be him not, we don’t have any other great options. Enrique is not coming here and by the looks of it, neither is Tuchel.

Carrick on a 3 year contract is what will end up happening.

 

[Olecurls99]

Pseudo psychological analysis of his personality is the last reason I'd list for not giving Carrick the job.

If you're looking for reasons not to give him the job, the lack of managerial success at the highest level on his CV is reason enough. How "quiet" he is need not come into the equation. Having a manager who doesn't say dumb shit that makes negative headlines is probably a positive after what we've had over the last 13 years.

For all we know, he's an average championship manager who's riding a wave of positive variance and momentum in what will be a small sample size temporary 17 game spell under somewhat favourable circumstances (one game a week whilst all our rivals play twice).

Really, it's the people inside the club who will know if he's doing genuinely good work on the training pitch and has a cohesive long term vision on what the team needs. It's impossible for us to tell from the outside.


To be fair I'd be surprised if anyone thought Arteta could win the league at any point in his first 2 and a half years into managing Arsenal - and here he is currently sitting 9 points clear. Neither do I think anyone really fancied Slot to win a league title especially given Ten Hag failed coming from the Dutch league.

The Arteta lesson is give a manager time and he will improve. Hopefully we give, whoever the new manager is, time to get his feet under the table, figure out the job and go from there. The evidence suggests we won't however.

 

[FortunaUtd]

The Arteta lesson is give a manager time and he will improve. Hopefully we give, whoever the new manager is, time to get his feet under the table, figure out the job and go from there. The evidence suggests we won't however.

There is no lesson there. Give a manager time and he might improve or he might not. With the latter being much more common.

 

[Raoul]

The Arteta lesson is give a manager time and he will improve. Hopefully we give, whoever the new manager is, time to get his feet under the table, figure out the job and go from there. The evidence suggests we won't however.

If you're going to consider Arteta's journey, you also have to consider all the managers who weren't given time, who were replaced by new managers who were more successful.

 

[NLunited]

The Arteta lesson is that he was a clever former footballer of the club who worked with a great manager, and was given time to learn and grow on the job because they saw potential in him.

With Carrick, we have a similar situation in some aspects. He is a clever former footballer of the club and worked with great managers. The question is whether he has a high potential.

Right now he is producing good results, so I‘m trending towards giving him time and see how things go.

 

[Harry190]

Read somewhere that the best metric and predictor of success for a manager is how the previous regime fared more than any other factor. Take that as you will.

 

[Olecurls99]

There is no lesson there. Give a manager time and he might improve or he might not. With the latter being much more common.

Klopp, Pep, Arteta. All given time, all successful

 

[Dominos]

Klopp, Pep, Arteta. All given time, all successful

Does the quality of the manager matter then, or just that they're given time?

If we had given Moyes, Giggs, LVG, Mourinho, Ole, Carrick, Ten Hag, Rangnick or Amorim say 10 years - they'd all have won multiple leagues and champions leagues presumably?


Pep is also a weird example, he won a treble in his first season at Barca. He won the league with 100 points in his 2nd season at City.

 

[hellhunter]

Klopp, Pep, Arteta. All given time, all successful

They were given time because they were successful, not the other way round