Michael Carrick - Head Coach for the remainder of the season

next_number_seven said:
I would go with Iraola personally.

Managers have to have a major say in signings. It's their team, their head on the line.

Ideally we'd have a defined style of play and hire coaches and sign players accordingly, but in practice this isn't possible.

In a recent interview he said he hasn't decided anything.

He might view Bilbao as the ideal next step though before moving to a big club.
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The question mark over Iraola is more the media/statesman side of things. The scrutiny and media work go up by a factor of thousands from Bournemouth to United. Can he cope with that? We don’t know, that’s the inherent risk. I like his football, and I think it would translate reasonably well to this squad.

Then there’s Emery. More proven but has failed in his two biggest gigs. On the plus side from when he managed Arsenal, he’s shown he’s got it in the Premier League.

Finally Carrick. I like the way he’s conducted himself in the statesman side of things. Bit like Lammens in net; all straight bat and unfussy. Club legend which does put credit in the bank. Has he got the tactical chops? Jury is out.

For me, that’s the shortlist. Each has reservations, each is a risk.
 
As mentioned before, I really think Diego Simeone should be a serious candidate. Would he join? Probably not, but no one seems to think about him.

No one talks about Emery as well. I think he would be one who could bring stability and top 4 back for the next few years. Why not him?

And yes, I would much rather still go for McKenna than Carrick.
 
Danish Wizard said:
As mentioned before, I really think Diego Simeone should be a serious candidate. Would he join? Probably not, but no one seems to think about him.

No one talks about Emery as well. I think he would be one who could bring stability and top 4 back for the next few years. Why not him?

And yes, I would much rather still go for McKenna than Carrick.
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Please no, not Simeone!
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
The question mark over Iraola is more the media/statesman side of things. The scrutiny and media work go up by a factor of thousands from Bournemouth to United. Can he cope with that? We don’t know, that’s the inherent risk. I like his football, and I think it would translate reasonably well to this squad.

Then there’s Emery. More proven but has failed in his two biggest gigs. On the plus side from when he managed Arsenal, he’s shown he’s got it in the Premier League.

Finally Carrick. I like the way he’s conducted himself in the statesman side of things. Bit like Lammens in net; all straight bat and unfussy. Club legend which does put credit in the bank. Has he got the tactical chops? Jury is out.

For me, that’s the shortlist. Each has reservations, each is a risk.
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I'd see Emery as a safe pair of hands. If he wins EL and Villa qualify for the CL, he'll be in high demand. Small margins in football but can have huge impact on perception.

I'd be more excited by Iraola though.

Carrick I think has to prove himself first at another club. He's still young. Go off and do a good job somewhere else. Develop your skills and knowledge and philosophy.
 
One thing that concerns me is how silent he is on the touchline. I am not asking him to rant and rave like Simeone or Klopp, but in the first half against Leeds the only reaction was this angry look. Like he's clearly seething inside but says nothing. Maybe a few yells or shouts. But i only see snippets of him during the game so maybe i'm missing something.
 
I honestly think we’re sleep walking into another disaster if we appoint him

His best games were clearly those first matches where let’s face it after Amorim anybody nice & friendly could’ve gone in and got results after the toxic culture Amorim created
 
Danish Wizard said:
As mentioned before, I really think Diego Simeone should be a serious candidate. Would he join? Probably not, but no one seems to think about him.

No one talks about Emery as well. I think he would be one who could bring stability and top 4 back for the next few years. Why not him?

And yes, I would much rather still go for McKenna than Carrick.
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I’m curious about Simeone too although people would, with some justification, worry about the style of football. The downside would be the underdog mentality we saw with Jose, Ole and EtH. I hate approaching big games where the plan is to cede possession and not to dominate the midfield and try to nick a goal here or there.

On the plus side he can commit to long term projects (unlike Jose), seems a real winner and a motivator, seems to be a great tactician and takes no crap.
 
USREDEVIL said:
One thing that concerns me is how silent he is on the touchline. I am not asking him to rant and rave like Simeone or Klopp, but in the first half against Leeds the only reaction was this angry look. Like he's clearly seething inside but says nothing. Maybe a few yells or shouts. But i only see snippets of him during the game so maybe i'm missing something.
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Might have the most bland personality I've ever seen, can't imagine hin ever managing an inspiring side however good of a coach he might be.
 
Can just imagine we give him the job and he brings Rashford back into the team, the wheels fall off, and in 8 months we feel like we're back at square one. It almost feels inevitable
 
The football is not good. Worse than under Amorim.
However, the squad is a mess. And Carrick‘s mission is to get us through to CL in which he seems to succeed so fair play.

The big question mark is if he is the right man to start a rebuild with a long term vision. If he gets 5 new players will he have a plan how to set us up to play proper football?
 
next_number_seven said:
I'd see Emery as a safe pair of hands. If he wins EL and Villa qualify for the CL, he'll be in high demand. Small margins in football but can have huge impact on perception.

I'd be more excited by Iraola though.

Carrick I think has to prove himself first at another club. He's still young. Go off and do a good job somewhere else. Develop your skills and knowledge and philosophy.
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I pretty much agree with you. If it isn’t Carrick, I wouldn’t look outside of Iraola and Emery. Much like with Cunha and Mbeumo, I’d like to see someone that’s got Premier League experience, unless it’s Enrique, which seems pie in the sky.
 
Slowly going off the idea of Carrick as permanent manager, not just because of the Leeds game.

I like that he put players in sensible positions and play things a bit more simple and compact, that in itself seemed to be enough to get a good run going given the quality of a few of the players in our team.

I'm really concerned with repeated slow starts in games and generally looking a bit passive for large periods in games though. You will be beaten by any team in the Premier League if you don't play with a reasonable amount of intensity from the start and maintain that level for much of the game.

It is no coincidence that in the few games we played well in, under both Carrick and Amorim, we actually applied a decent level of intensity in those games, winning duels and putting pressure on the opposition.

I don't know why that's the exception rather than the default, especially under multiple managers, but it's really holding us back, over and above the individual ability of the players in the squad.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
The football is not good. Worse than under Amorim.
However, the squad is a mess. And Carrick‘s mission is to get us through to CL in which he seems to succeed so fair play.

The big question mark is if he is the right man to start a rebuild with a long term vision. If he gets 5 new players will he have a plan how to set us up to play proper football?
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If you take the results out of the equation and look at performances as a whole, style of play, game management etc, I actually don’t think there’s any tangible evidence that he is the man to lead us forward and get us playing good football. His tenure had very much been results over performances, but even the results have fallen off a cliff and we’ve felt fortunate on a number of occasions to get the results in the first place due to performances.

And further to that, unfortunately there’s not a lot in his previous work to make you think this great football is just around the corner either.

I think at this stage, hiring Carrick is starting to look like the more risky bet. At one time the conundrum was ‘what if we hire somebody else, who doesn’t get the results that Carrick is, and we regret not keeping him?’, but I think that sentiment is all but gone by now.
 
Emery failed miserably at Arsenal and I've got absolutely no reason to think things would go any better with him in charge of an even bigger club. He's at his correct level right now, overachieving with Villa.
 
Judas said:
Emery failed miserably at Arsenal and I've got absolutely no reason to think things would go any better with him in charge of an even bigger club. He's at his correct level right now, overachieving with Villa.
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Pretty much every manager has a failure on their record.

The only guys that haven't are those who've only just got going or Pep/Klopp.

All sorts of things go into a manager being successful in a role. It's not necessarily all on that guy. One "failure" amongst a career of positives shouldn't be a red flag.
 
Marwood said:
Pretty much every manager has a failure on their record.

The only guys that haven't are those who've only just got going or Pep/Klopp.

All sorts of things go into a manager being successful in a role. It's not necessarily all on that guy. One "failure" amongst a career of positives shouldn't be a red flag.
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All valid points, but I just don't see him being a success here. Doesn't seem to have the character to handle it. He's got rattled at Villa far too much.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Can just imagine we give him the job and he brings Rashford back into the team, the wheels fall off, and in 8 months we feel like we're back at square one. It almost feels inevitable
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It's never square one. It's always further back as there has then been investment in players that do not all fit the "vision" that has never been defined, and the longer we're in the doldrums the harder it is to get back on track.
 
Judas said:
All valid points, but I just don't see him being a success here. Doesn't seem to have the character to handle it. He's got rattled at Villa far too much.
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He's still done a very good job there even if he's been rattled.

But I'd rather some emotion over Carrick's sort of political answer/reaction to everything.

Emery plus good recruitment equals United in a good place I reckon.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Can just imagine we give him the job and he brings Rashford back into the team, the wheels fall off, and in 8 months we feel like we're back at square one. It almost feels inevitable
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It just feels like its destined to happen. Our starting 11 next year under Carrick, rashford , maguire, Shaw and dalot all still starting. Then only big change, baleba replacing cas which would be a downgrade. We could really struggle again
 
I think every aspect of his interim tenure, with view to him being considered for the job full time, should be considered as if his name is not Michael Carrick. And as such, there is no way people would be clamouring for him to stay on.

I wanted him in as early as Grimsby as an interim to see out the season until we got things sorted, but if he's in charge next season I'll be less interested as I just don't have faith in him being anything other than what we've already seen, which is pretty meh from a performance perspective, and more and more meh from a results perspective.

Can't help thinking that he'll get the job though as long as we scrape CL football.
 
He's the wrong choice if we genuinely want to progress properly as a football club, but I can't see anything else happening but him getting the job, unless we torpedo out of the CL places.
 
Carrick staying on and bringing Rashford back would be a pretty crap summer of football events.
 
Judas said:
All valid points, but I just don't see him being a success here. Doesn't seem to have the character to handle it. He's got rattled at Villa far too much.
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Really? I see us as similar to Arsenal when he took them over, pretty poor in terms of the recruitment side so I wouldn't expect him to be great at United, I think he's one of the calmer and more amenable managers though, can't say I've seen him seeming particularly rattled at Villa.
 
Semper Fudge said:
Carrick staying on and bringing Rashford back would be a pretty crap summer of football events.
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Rashford won’t play a competitive game for us again. What is Carrick supposed to say when we’re trying to flog him? Telling the truth only makes it easier for Barca to fanny about and low ball us.
 
Yeh its pretty weird to criticise Carrick for his comments on Rashford tbh. He's said absolutely the right thing.
 
Judas said:
He's the wrong choice if we genuinely want to progress properly as a football club, but I can't see anything else happening but him getting the job, unless we torpedo out of the CL places.
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I think the ownership just want cl each year and to get the new stadium built over the next decade. I don't think there's a burning desire from them to get back to where we were as consistently one of Europe's top teams
 
Wolfbot said:
Slowly going off the idea of Carrick as permanent manager, not just because of the Leeds game.

I like that he put players in sensible positions and play things a bit more simple and compact, that in itself seemed to be enough to get a good run going given the quality of a few of the players in our team.

I'm really concerned with repeated slow starts in games and generally looking a bit passive for large periods in games though. You will be beaten by any team in the Premier League if you don't play with a reasonable amount of intensity from the start and maintain that level for much of the game.

It is no coincidence that in the few games we played well in, under both Carrick and Amorim, we actually applied a decent level of intensity in those games, winning duels and putting pressure on the opposition.

I don't know why that's the exception rather than the default, especially under multiple managers, but it's really holding us back, over and above the individual ability of the players in the squad.
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The required intensity to win most games against lower opposition isn‘t there. We have seen this under different managers, and it seems even worse now under Carrick.

I can‘t tell you what the problem is. If I had to guess, I‘d say too many players are unable to turn it on against teams that are not Pool, City or Arsenal.
 
ron86 said:
I think the ownership just want cl each year and to get the new stadium built over the next decade. I don't think there's a burning desire from them to get back to where we were as consistently one of Europe's top teams
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I totally disagree, I think INEOS want sporting success and for us to be a top team, they've just got no idea how to achieve it.
 
NLunited said:
The required intensity to win most games against lower opposition isn‘t there. We have seen this under different managers, and it seems even worse now under Carrick.

I can‘t tell you what the problem is. If I had to guess, I‘d say too many players are unable to turn it on against teams that are not Pool, City or Arsenal.
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I don't think a bunch of them have the physical capability of taking it to teams week in week out. Being the aggressor.

Sitting deep and countering, yeah most teams can do that.

So whoever is in charge that needs sorting by recruitment. My worry with Carrick is that he'd prefer nice players over effective players.
 
ron86 said:
I think the ownership just want cl each year and to get the new stadium built over the next decade. I don't think there's a burning desire from them to get back to where we were as consistently one of Europe's top teams
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They rolled the dice for one of the hottest young manager prospect in Europe and gave him £200m worth of attackers after he finished 16th in the league and bungled an European final. It’s the opposite of playing it safe, they definitely want to compete.
 
Bastian said:
It's never square one. It's always further back as there has then been investment in players that do not all fit the "vision" that has never been defined, and the longer we're in the doldrums the harder it is to get back on track.
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Disagree. As bad as Amorim was it didnnt feel like we were further back than square one when he left, as our squad was stronger than the state ten hag left it in. And I don’t think eight more months of Carrick would leave us further back either as long as we make some sensible minor signings this summer. Indeed, just qualifying for the CL again puts us ahead of where we’ve been for a while. Ten Hag left us in the worse state but that’s largely because our recruitment under his tenure was awful.
 
Huge night for him. Really feels like he has to get the team up for a great performance - despite the CB challenge - and if he doesn't that could be it imo. Players should be well rested, we've had a week to think about it tactically so this is an amazing opportunity for him to show his chops.

Plus if the players are enjoying him as manager and want it to continue - they need to be up for this one.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Can just imagine we give him the job and he brings Rashford back into the team, the wheels fall off, and in 8 months we feel like we're back at square one. It almost feels inevitable
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It does. I can't stand a lot of what Goldbridge says on the United Stand, but he said the other day that you can just see us ending up with Carrick as our coach and Baleba as our marquee midfield signing. Sobering thought indeed.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Can just imagine we give him the job and he brings Rashford back into the team, the wheels fall off, and in 8 months we feel like we're back at square one. It almost feels inevitable
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Nightmare scenario. And yes I can see it happen given his very open minded comments on Rashford.

I really don’t know why we aren’t actively looking for a new manager. This is an amateurish way to run a club. We are as always too emotional a club.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
I pretty much agree with you. If it isn’t Carrick, I wouldn’t look outside of Iraola and Emery. Much like with Cunha and Mbeumo, I’d like to see someone that’s got Premier League experience, unless it’s Enrique, which seems pie in the sky.
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Carrick should do a Lampard and do a good job at Championship level. Build up experience.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Nightmare scenario. And yes I can see it happen given his very open minded comments on Rashford.

I really don’t know why we aren’t actively looking for a new manager. This is an amateurish way to run a club. We are as always too emotional a club.
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How do you know we’re not assessing options in the background? It’s not like we’d be doing it openly whilst the season is still ongoing, and even if INEOS decide to hire someone else they’re not coming in till the summer anyway.
 
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amolbhatia50k said:
Nightmare scenario. And yes I can see it happen given his very open minded comments on Rashford.

I really don’t know why we aren’t actively looking for a new manager. This is an amateurish way to run a club. We are as always too emotional a club.
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Who says we aren't actively looking for a new manager?
 
Our pressing has fallen off since Amorim left. It might not tell the story and maybe Carrick does want to be more aggressive but getting Rashford back and making Maguire a first choice centre back does make me worry somewhat (and yes I’m aware Maguire and De Ligt have been our best centre backs this season, the problem is how we set up to play) .
 
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