Carrick might have unconventional methods, but apparently grooming the players works.
Michael Carrick - Head Coach for the remainder of the season
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He must have bloody long fingers if he’s managed to touch his heart.
David De Gea would manage that.
I agree with that. Looking at the table, I would say, barring a collapse from Villa, it looks as if we’re one of three teams competing for the two other champions league places and Chelsea and Liverpool have European football to concentrate on as well. Things should be in our favour.
Not his fingers
The only thing I’m not liking is the media coverage he’s getting. Would be good to keep him under the wraps by the media team. Something to learn from the Amorim takeaway. I know United news sells, but he’s going the same route as Amorim for the number of interviews he’s giving.
The club doesn't have a choice.
The new Premier League deal expanded the rights of the broadcasters with regards to pre-match interviews. And, of course, with the interest we generate the rights holders want United people in the hot seat.
For them it's a dream scenario. If it all goes right our fans watch the content. If it all goes wrong other team fans watch it. If you are a TV company you are always going to request interviews with the United coach, captain, and players. Just makes money for them.
Sure about that?
Wolves away: 0-4 WIN
Spurs home: 0-2 LOSS
Brighton away: 2-1 LOSS
Then then smashed Amorim’s United. Why are you pretending they were flying man?
City hadn’t lost in 13 prior to coming to Old Trafford, winning 10 and drawing 3.
You fecked up here man.
I said they were flying at that time more direct. The attackers form were way better than what it is now. The City team now look average, it’s the weakest I’ve seen them.
This is why when we played them this second time, I’m reluctant to say we’re back. It was a better performance than Arsenal. The game against Arsenal, we did good but still shows we need more additions to the squad.
Carrick has done a good job with the players he has making the most of them. But I still want us to dominate and impose our game on them. Nothing wrong with that is it?
Part of the job. Any coach that cannot deal with that side of things is at the wrong club, because the club aren’t going to dial back media duties in any meaningful way.
I've no idea about overall distance travelled, but we played very compact Vs city to not allow them a chance to run past us, so we didn't have much space to cover at any one time.
10 wins and 3 draws before playing us.
Toes?
Nothing is strange about. The mentality and culture is vastly different for a club like us and Sporting Lisbon. Their best players either fancying a move away or they know their limitation, so it’s their best interest to commit to the plan. Even the best players from Portuguese league is not exactly proven for top league level. It’s best not to have your manager to call you the worst team in the club history. Someone like Amorim could play politic to keep the players in line especially with recent history ultras breaking into club facility to attack players.
Here, many of the players have proven themselves in PL, and achieved some success here or at their previous clubs. They’re also well paid. There is a financial limit for the club to allow hundred of millions dollar asset/contract to evaporate, especially the negative result also harms the club value in stock market. Small club politic may dupe some smaller section of the fanbase, but ultimately the players have more power. Small league head coach without any experience at top clubs and success in Europe can’t sell the idea of having a master plan that nobody else has, all while acting insensitive and immature himself.
Knowing the club is an advantage in this kind of situation short term. Long term may be a different story, but that’s the topic for a different discussion. Great dating experience doesn’t always translate well to good marriage. Marriage involves different dynamism long term than easy to break up dating. For now, it’s best to focus on current leftover goal of the season.
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A long post, but never the less...
After taking time watching, again and again, the two games under Carrick I think we can be extremely positive about where the Club is heading.
1. For the first time in may years, it felt like we had A MAN Advantage compared to Arsenal and City. From the naked eye it felt like this and crucially even in ArsenalMania & Bluemoon Forum both set of fans were complaining 'It looks like United have a man advantage'.
This to me is the clearest indicator that something fundamentally has gone good. This was supported with all the goals we scored in those matches, one two move football plus it's amplified by only letting 3 genuine shots on target on both games. (Saka near post, Zubimendi header Arsenal, Max header for City).
This is such a huge thing that's why both games City and Arsenal had no case to throw to us about how we beat them. Clean and Square.
2. Casemiro is not slide tackling or lunging in. Again it might seem like a non-issue but this primarily shows that the last 2 games we have not been stretched to the point of our defence screen being called upon to dive in. Again it amplifies the point of both Arsenal and City had very little to throw at us. So why dive in when you're in control?
We finished the game at Emirates WITHOUT a yellow card. Again it shows how secure we were at the home of the top of the table team.
Against City we had 2 yellow cards, both fullbacks Shaw+ Dalot from 17th minutes yet they finished the game unscratched even we haven't received a caution in 160 minutes of Football.
3. Lammens is a non story. Self explanatory. Our Goalkeeper is like a ghost this days, no man of match heroics, no after game arguments, no memes no nothing. Again this shows how secure the team has been vis-a-vis Lammens own talent. We used to leak goals under Amorim this season, in two games against the best attacks in the league, we didn't need our GK to be man of the match to win a game. Remember Donnarumma for City?
4. Handling of stages of the game. One of the most glaring point to a good team is how to handle the different stages of a game. Sir Alex was the master of this. Carrick alluded to this also after Arsenal game. You have heard about ' always try to be in the game' 'never accept the game to run away from you'. This is it.
A game of football is 90 minutes, you can't be on top every single minute and you can't be down every single minute so handling of both occasion is what matters. Even when we were under the couch against Arsenal it didn't feel threatening, but boy oh boy when it was us on top we did put Arsenal to the dagger. Even against City after Shaw and Dalot cautions never did we feel like we will be man down later. Even with Kobbie in midfield it didn't feel we are lighter or lacking legs.
Many a times we have crumbled after conceding a goal or after scoring.
Against Arsenal, they scored first goal, we scored 2. They equalise through a corner, we score the winner. We handled both stages of the game meticulously.
Now, to conclusion.
If Carrick can conjure 10-12 more performances like this till the end of the season then the board as serious decisions to make because the football fundamentals are looking very good.
Let's cross our fingers we've got our Pep or Zidane. We deserve one.
After taking time watching, again and again, the two games under Carrick I think we can be extremely positive about where the Club is heading.
1. For the first time in may years, it felt like we had A MAN Advantage compared to Arsenal and City. From the naked eye it felt like this and crucially even in ArsenalMania & Bluemoon Forum both set of fans were complaining 'It looks like United have a man advantage'.
This to me is the clearest indicator that something fundamentally has gone good. This was supported with all the goals we scored in those matches, one two move football plus it's amplified by only letting 3 genuine shots on target on both games. (Saka near post, Zubimendi header Arsenal, Max header for City).
This is such a huge thing that's why both games City and Arsenal had no case to throw to us about how we beat them. Clean and Square.
2. Casemiro is not slide tackling or lunging in. Again it might seem like a non-issue but this primarily shows that the last 2 games we have not been stretched to the point of our defence screen being called upon to dive in. Again it amplifies the point of both Arsenal and City had very little to throw at us. So why dive in when you're in control?
We finished the game at Emirates WITHOUT a yellow card. Again it shows how secure we were at the home of the top of the table team.
Against City we had 2 yellow cards, both fullbacks Shaw+ Dalot from 17th minutes yet they finished the game unscratched even we haven't received a caution in 160 minutes of Football.
3. Lammens is a non story. Self explanatory. Our Goalkeeper is like a ghost this days, no man of match heroics, no after game arguments, no memes no nothing. Again this shows how secure the team has been vis-a-vis Lammens own talent. We used to leak goals under Amorim this season, in two games against the best attacks in the league, we didn't need our GK to be man of the match to win a game. Remember Donnarumma for City?
4. Handling of stages of the game. One of the most glaring point to a good team is how to handle the different stages of a game. Sir Alex was the master of this. Carrick alluded to this also after Arsenal game. You have heard about ' always try to be in the game' 'never accept the game to run away from you'. This is it.
A game of football is 90 minutes, you can't be on top every single minute and you can't be down every single minute so handling of both occasion is what matters. Even when we were under the couch against Arsenal it didn't feel threatening, but boy oh boy when it was us on top we did put Arsenal to the dagger. Even against City after Shaw and Dalot cautions never did we feel like we will be man down later. Even with Kobbie in midfield it didn't feel we are lighter or lacking legs.
Many a times we have crumbled after conceding a goal or after scoring.
Against Arsenal, they scored first goal, we scored 2. They equalise through a corner, we score the winner. We handled both stages of the game meticulously.
Now, to conclusion.
If Carrick can conjure 10-12 more performances like this till the end of the season then the board as serious decisions to make because the football fundamentals are looking very good.
Let's cross our fingers we've got our Pep or Zidane. We deserve one.
We are too emtional. Win a few games = messiah , lose or draw = fraud. Like carrick a lot and think he may have something about him but Christ chill out , Keane will get hate for his comments but I agree , this is a good role to come into , expectations are low, we have good players , the rigid system is gone , we play one game a week bla bla .
He could be great but we’ve had TWO games, judge at the end of the season and see how we do . Would absolutely love carrick to do well but caretaker is very different to permanent boss
He could be great but we’ve had TWO games, judge at the end of the season and see how we do . Would absolutely love carrick to do well but caretaker is very different to permanent boss
When Emery signed for Arsenal they only gave him a 2 year deal which immediately lowered his status and led to questions about if Arsenal actually wanted him or did they just not have a plan post Wenger, but he got more points as Arsenal manager from his 1st to last game than Arteta did during the same amount of matches, the difference is Arsenal stuck with Arteta. It's impossible for me to look at what he's done with a 16th place Villa side he took over and think he wouldn't have Arsenal contending had they stuck with him.
As for PSG he won the domestic quadruple and got knocked out of the champions league by Real Madrid when they won it. Ancelotti and Tuchel both "failed" at PSG if we're measuring it by champions leagues because they both won less than Emery.
The United job is basically one big interview
If he’d lost the 2 games, people would be saying he’s come into a terrible situation, which was the truth. It’s not easy to come into a team that was struggling. Amorim came into a team in the same situation and it got much worse.
He’s done a fantastic job so far, with the same players that Amorim had. He deserves every bit of praise. Agree that we need to judge at the end of the season though in regards to the permanent job
I feel that the reaction has been reasonable so far. Majority of people want to wait till the end of the season to judge, but are giving him the credit he deserves.
ah Emery is underwhelming, especially his brand of football. They are lucky where they are now and will inevitably drop out of top5. Good job form him but Top teams need more progressive coach. He'd do well for Athletico, mind.
This is the thing.
90% of the job has feck all to do with football and is basically similar to that of a politician. Similar to probably the Real Madrid job. Amorim was terrible with the media and that invited more pressure on him which ultimately impacted the team.
If Carrick can be the "figurehead" and do the media stuff well alongside the motivational stuff (see that interview with Martinez) whilst top coaches (Steve Holland is a good example) lead the day to day training, I can see a future (at least in the short to medium term) where we're relatively successful.
My biggest concern when Amorim took the job was that the era of managers being given 2-3 years of rebuilding before being successful is well and truly over so his insistance on a new "philosophy" was always going to be a problem in an industry that demands instant success.
INEOS and Ratcliffe may have accidentally developed our short to medium term strategy. The big question will come for them If Carrick is reasonably successful (top 4 and a couple of cups) but the next version of Guardiola/Klopp is available and willing to come, would they be willing to change and bring in an era defining manager when things are good but not great.
I genuinely believe that if the current hierarchy had been in charge had been in charge circa 2013-2015, Klopp would have happily come to Old Trafford (I'd argue Guardiola was always destined for the Berties).
I don’t ever think as fans it can be too much about emotion. Maybe for people of my generation the emotion and romance is what it’s all about, I lived through the later stages of us being shit, the subsequent domination under Fergie and then obviously the rollercoaster since, and for me the best I’ve felt is under Ole.
Results aside under Ole, it wasn’t just about the bounce, the night in Paris, the unbeaten away run… it was about having a man in the job that I LOVED, and that understood and loved the club almost as much as us fans.
For me Carrick is that again, season ticket holder, knows what it means, kids in the away end, and actually ‘gives a shit’.
First two results were more than we could have dreamed of, and I agree to a point we need to see how the remainder of this season pans out, how we play against different opposition and how we tactically set up against different systems, but if (and it’s a big IF) he continues to improve us and have us playing good football that I enjoy watching, and we get champions league football, then I don’t think it would be emotional to hire the guy.
There would be inherent risk with anyone we hire, there’s no guarantee any big name coach comes in and improves us further, whether they’re experienced trophy winners or not.
There are no guarantees in football, and nobody wants to see us dominate again more than me, but if I can have an emotional connection to the club through the manager, and really want to see him succeed because he is one of our own and cares like I do then that trumps being successful under anyone else.
Fully agreed, we managed both games so much better than I have seen from us in what feels like forever. That jammy Arsenal equaliser just had late surge and Arsenal winner all over it, but we didn't let our heads drop, we didn't panic and we calmly went about being the better side again.
The start of the 2nd half was also great to see as we came out and just simply asserted ourselves on top, compared to numerous Amorim games where we go in behind and come out looking the exact same (Everton, Spurs final, etc.)
I spoke to one of the players in the summer who told me that they all feel like they have a man less than the opposition during games in Amorim's system, before telling me how we would be so much better this season etc. but the true feelings were let out of the bag and that was something we all felt and is the reason why we never truly had a man advantage against Everton despite them only having 10 men.
I really hope that we can continue this good form and good vibe. We have a talented squad and you can see how determined they are to be successful. Hopefully we continue to put them in a better place to succeed, finish this season on a high and bolster the squad adequately in the summer.
4 league wins in a row eh over his 2 spells?
Amorin could never.
Amorin could never.
Does he ever sit?
So 3 wins in 3 games. How long did Amorim take for his 3 games streak?
3 wins on the trot. What is this black magic…
Carrick has achieved in 3 weeks what it took Amorim to achieve in 11 months with a preseason and summer transfer window...with tougher appointments
Does he ever lose?
Tough challenge today. He was spot on with the lineup and the subs.
We looked dodgy at the back but I'm delighted he got this result
Not a huge number of takeaways from that match but you can’t fault 9 points from City, Arsenal and Fulham. That’s a very tricky run and we could well have lost all three under the previous regime.
It makes it look worse and worse for Amorim, and ineos for prolonging keeping him.
Maguire with idiocy caused the issue. Zero need for that challenge.