Michael Carrick - Permanent Head Coach

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Ruben 4 losses in a row: its players issue, they cant play the managers system
Carrick 4 wins in a row: its players quality, the system is actually shit
I'm thoroughly convinced there is a significant portion of posters on here that will find fault with any and every hire. These same posters only want those managers who cannot or will not come to us at a given moment. Any pessimism on my part is that the club will screw around all summer and not make good signings. Last year wasn't as bad as most, so maybe they're coming out of that phase.
 
That's just a personal pecadillo, it means nothing in real terms. Touchline theatrics are mostly cosmetic. Is Arteta what you want?
You'd be surprised what a difference feistiness makes
 
Remains to be seen how it will work out.

Doesn't matter who the club hires as manager, unless the scouting, recruitment and structure in the background is properly sorted out in terms of squad building and long term planning
 
Worrying if that’s the extent of our ambition. feck me.
How disingenuous.

We were linked with Enrique and allegedly pulled out when we knew he was signing a contract and have been linked with Naglesmann.
 
Not my first choice but fine with it. I love Carrick and have some hope that he will try to get us more comfortable in possession like he attempted at Middlesbrough.

Please just get him some strong technical players now.
 
Its the pathetic "we need Prem Proven experience" bollocks they are obsessed with.
We've just hired two managers in a row from outside of England and the PL. They didn't work out.

I think the board is a little spooked at going that direction for now.

Carrick has played and now managed in the PL. Give him a chance, I think, and see where we are in a year.
 
Deserved extension, improving tactically (with the help of clever coach assistants) is easier than growing into a role bigger than your shoes (and Carrick grew that as a player).. he also seems prudent/smart enough to see and avoid Solskjaer fallacies.
 
The negativity in here is weird. I doubt there is a manager in the world who would have done better with the squad available. That doesn't guarantee future success but replacing Carrick without seeing if he can continue the success would be a very odd decision. Doubly so given the alternatives.
 
Remains to be seen how it will work out.

Doesn't matter who the club hires as manager, unless the scouting, recruitment and structure in the background is properly sorted out in terms of squad building and long term planning

All true, but don't we already have an encouraging track record from current management that it has sorted out scouting and recruitment? Lammens was a genius find, and although most of us knew about Cunha and Mbeumo it was still good work by the scouting and recruitment staff to secure their signatures. As for structure in the background, it seems at least on the surface that we're in a much better place now than we were under Woodbrain.
 
All true, but don't we already have an encouraging track record from current management that it has sorted out scouting and recruitment? Lammens was a genius find, and although most of us knew about Cunha and Mbeumo it was still good work by the scouting and recruitment staff to secure their signatures. As for structure in the background, it seems at least on the surface that we're in a much better place now than we were under Woodbrain.
You’ll still find a lot of fans on this forum that feel the recruitment team is incompetent. Doesn’t seem to be a consensus on this yet.
 
Doesn't matter who the club hires as manager, unless the scouting, recruitment and structure in the background is properly sorted out in terms of squad building and long term planning
We already have improved, but agree unless they sign the DM, CM, Striker and fullback well it won’t be complete.
The negativity in here is weird. I doubt there is a manager in the world who would have done better with the squad available. That doesn't guarantee future success but replacing Carrick without seeing if he can continue the success would be a very odd decision. Doubly so given the alternatives.
Luis Enrique, Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Carlo Ancelotti. None really achievable.

Nagelsman will probably end up going to Liverpool and we might regret it.
You’ll still find a lot of fans on this forum that feel the recruitment team is incompetent. Doesn’t seem to be a consensus on this yet.
It has definitely improved but until the midfield is sorted out plus the two other i believe is needed (striker, and fullback who can play either side) than I can see people complaining. Until we are a complete 11 I could see people complaining
 
We already have improved, but agree unless they sign the DM, CM, Striker and fullback well it won’t be complete.

Luis Enrique, Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Carlo Ancelotti. None really achievable.

Nagelsman will probably end up going to Liverpool and we might regret it.

It has definitely improved but until the midfield is sorted out plus the two other i believe is needed (striker, and fullback who can play either side) than I can see people complaining. Until we are a complete 11 I could see people complaining
Nah only one with regret in that case eventually would be Liverpool for United it would be bullet dodged .
 
It's easy to be negative and say I told you so, because only one team can win the league and to many, if you don't win the league, you're a failure. He's (and therefore his team) been the best manager since he started so deserves the chance for sure. Of the other managers available, I don't know why you would take anyone above him.
 
The negativity in here is weird. I doubt there is a manager in the world who would have done better with the squad available. That doesn't guarantee future success but replacing Carrick without seeing if he can continue the success would be a very odd decision. Doubly so given the alternatives.
Exactly. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. He’s done very well. Let’s give him this transfer window and see how he progresses the team further.

I hate it when people his constantly want the next shiny thing without actually considering the job that Carrick has done given the limitations of the squad.
 
I am happy for him to stay. Whether it works out or not, I think it is the best decision at this point.
 
Carrick securing the CL basically gotten him the job which is a fair outcome in my opinion, I would love for us to get an Enrique for example but I don't see that happening, and in my opinion Carrick has done enough to earn the full time job and it's good idea to give him 2 plus 1 deal so if club has to sack him they won't need to pay up a hefty termination fee.

Now, moving forward, if the club signs top level midfielders and one more quality LW, and with a good preseason, Carrick will have had the best prep time (his period as a interim manager + preseason) to see everything from inside and will have no excuse of not knowing the team, so at least I expect Carrick to make the team good enough try to compete in every competition, not expecting domination but at least must achieve the below:-

- Sustain top 4 at a minimum in the PL throughout the league, better if the team is not far from the top spot.

- win 4 games or achieve 12 points in the UCL League Stage, which could help us advance to the knockout stages.

- win at least 2 rounds in both domestic cups.

Obviously to achieve the above will require consistent performances from the team and put wins and points on the board, which is what I really want Carrick to get out of the team, only consistency will get us to be able to actually compete and maybe win the league within 2-3 years.


And if we are truly aiming to compete, then we can't afford a bad start at all in the first ten games next season, so if Carrick suffers one then he should be sacked (example and assuming we play 10 league games before playing any cup game then anything less than 18 pts from the first 10 league games is a bad start), for me a good manager earns time on the job by at least being in an around the top team.

The above is me trying to be objective but from a personal perspective, I am really happy Carrick is getting the full time job and I really want him to help us become a top team and win trophies and be a respected force again.
 
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  • Posing in front of trophies he won as a player not a manager
  • Wearing blue
  • arms folded showing closedness
We've made a mistake.
  • The trophies are actually replicas made out of plastic from China which means he can be a secret agent
 
Btw, I don't get the calls in here for Carrick to upgrade his coaching staff. I couldn't care less about who is on his coaching staff. The buck stops with Carrick, he has the option, obviously, to bring in whoever he wants to join his staff, but it doesn't matter since he is in charge, and ultimately he will be held accountable for the results and the outcomes of his decisions
 
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Good point. He needs to stay.
He is staying reportedly.

Btw, I don't get the calls in here for Carrick to upgrade his coaching staff. I couldn't care less about who is on his coaching staff. The buck stops with Carrickhe, has the option, obviously, to bring in whoever he wants to join his staff, but it doesn't matter since he is in charge, and ultimately he will be held accountable for the results and the outcomes of his decisions
Sounds to me like you are bothered since you've mentioned it.
 
Carrick has earned it. Obviously Enrique would have been the dream, but by all accounts not a real possibility.
Hope Carrick surprises us and continues the good results. Largely depends if we get a good window
 
We beat City and Arsenal at the start of Carrick’s tenure. Those were our two best performances by far.

We were shit against 10 man Spurs and Chelsea.

I wouldn’t bet on us to beat any top 8 team if we played them tomorrow.
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I get the scepticism due to our performances dropping after the two stellar games against City and Arsenal, but then you remember Carrick pretty much beat every top team in the country. 'Biggest' scalps he's missing seem to be Bournemouth and Brighton
 
I get the scepticism due to our performances dropping after the two stellar games against City and Arsenal, but then you remember Carrick pretty much beat every top team in the country. 'Biggest' scalps he's missing seem to be Bournemouth and Brighton
10 wins 3 draws 2 defeats
After having to deal with Amorim , some fans are just miserable in general and I believe some on here want him to fail just to say I told you so.
 
We beat City and Arsenal at the start of Carrick’s tenure. Those were our two best performances by far.

We were shit against 10 man Spurs and Chelsea.

I wouldn’t bet on us to beat any top 8 team if we played them tomorrow.
It's not as if we've beaten Liverpool, Brentford, Villa or Chelsea recently..
 
It's not as if we've beaten Liverpool, Brentford, Villa or Chelsea recently..

Performances weren’t great though were they? Especially in the second half vs Pool or against Chelsea. Come to think of it, Brentford left OT wondering how they didn’t get anything out of the game as well. Results have been better than performances.
 
Has it been noted in this thread that the people who want Carrick in seem to be good footballing lads - good understanding of the game, humorous and well-spoken.

Whilst the people who post about not wanting Carrick seem to all be thick and massive nerds? I’ve noticed that and once you see it you can’t unsee it.
 
Performances weren’t great though were they? Especially in the second half vs Pool or against Chelsea. Come to think of it, Brentford left OT wondering how they didn’t get anything out of the game as well. Results have been better than performances.
He said he wouldn't expect us to beat any of the top 8 tomorrow. We've beaten plenty recently.
 
I'm happy - I don't think anyone else comes in and gets the results he has. I'd also argue the most important thing to get right now is recruitment.
 
Performances weren’t great though were they? Especially in the second half vs Pool or against Chelsea. Come to think of it, Brentford left OT wondering how they didn’t get anything out of the game as well. Results have been better than performances.
If we can win playing poorly, then what will we be like if we play well?
What I would say is that defensively we seem a lot better, and Carrick seems to have instilled a never say die attitude, where everyone is working towards a common goal ie. winning. Brentford are a very good side, and were clever in isolating Heaven with Thiago 1 to 1, but credit the young man, he was caught out several times, but recovered to get in tackles.
I would also say that if Mbeumo and Amad had been on form, we would possibly have scored more goals in those matches, we do waste good opportunities quite often, take Amad's miss against Brentford, when we could have been 3-0 up early on if chances had been taken.
I take your point though, overall performances have been not great, but winning is good.
 
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