If we can win playing poorly, then what will we be like if we play well?
What I would say is that defensively we seem a lot better, and Carrick seems to have instilled a never say die attitude, where everyone is working towards a common goal ie. winning. Brentford are a very good side, and were clever in isolating Heaven with Thiago 1 to 1, but credit the young man, he was caught out several times, but recovered to get in tackles.
I would also say that if Mbeumo and Amad had been on form, we would possibly have scored more goals in those matches, we do waste good opportunities quite often, take Amad's miss against Brentford, when we could have been 3-0 up early on if chances had been taken.
I take your point though, overall performances have been not great, but winning is good.
So? Of the 12 Premier League winners since its inception, only 1 of them had “prem proven experience” and he only won it once. It’s complete nonsense to eliminate managers outside of the league. If the board are as experienced as they supposedly are they’d know this and try to get the best in class as they said, we’re always gonna falter and stumble, everyone does thats football, that doesn’t mean you stop trying and shelter inside yourself for fear of your jobs and getting it wrong.We've just hired two managers in a row from outside of England and the PL. They didn't work out.
I think the board is a little spooked at going that direction for now.
Carrick has played and now managed in the PL. Give him a chance, I think, and see where we are in a year.
Have people forgotten what shape we were in when he arrived? What he has achieved is nothing short of incredible. If that's not enough data to give him the job full time, then fine if that's your take, but I don't think anyone could have done what he has done since he was appointed. You can argue that he's not the man for the job, but basing that on what we have seen him do is mad in my opinion.Performances weren’t great though were they? Especially in the second half vs Pool or against Chelsea. Come to think of it, Brentford left OT wondering how they didn’t get anything out of the game as well. Results have been better than performances.
He's also got history with Carrick from MiddlesbroughDo you know anything about him? Or is it just because we were linked with him and he’s at Bayern?
This can't be overlooked. If INEOS chose anybody else and there were any issues, the fans and the media would beat them up with Carrick's record. Carrick took the decision out of their hands. Basically unless they had Enrique or someone who was eager to come coupled with a massive investment in the squad, then Carrick was only choice.Sensible choice. Any other manager would need to hit the ground running or fans would cry for Carrick after every loss.
Let's see what he can do with a pre-season and some reinforcements.
Why don’t you want Carrick to be our manager?Has it been noted in this thread that the people who want Carrick in seem to be good footballing lads - good understanding of the game, humorous and well-spoken.
Whilst the people who post about not wanting Carrick seem to all be thick and massive nerds? I’ve noticed that and once you see it you can’t unsee it.
Aye that's the spiritWritten in the stars we’re losing to Forest tomorrow now and the banter and mockery comes in
Sometimes this place isn't worth reading, when the doom merchants get overwhelmed by a small setback. If that happens, that might be oneWritten in the stars we’re losing to Forest tomorrow now and the banter and mockery comes in
They’ve been right more often than not these past 12 years.Sometimes this place isn't worth reading, when the doom merchants get overwhelmed by a small setback. If that happens, that might be one
Off to Facebook with you. You can discuss why he shouldn't be the manger, but be better than that.Written in the stars we’re losing to Forest tomorrow now and the banter and mockery comes in
This can't be overlooked. If INEOS chose anybody else and there were any issues, the fans and the media would beat them up with Carrick's record. Carrick took the decision out of their hands. Basically unless they had Enrique or someone who was eager to come coupled with a massive investment in the squad, then Carrick was only choice.
Not too sure about that...Sensible choice. He gets a deserved chance, and it wont be that difficult to let him go if things don't work out, as it would have been with a high profile manager with high release clauses etc.
Even 2019 with AWB, Dan James and Maguire - so many of the signings under Ole were crapPeople compare Carrick to Ole should look at Ole's last 2 season's signings, that was his downfall.
Donny,Telles and young Pellestri,Amad
Varane,Sancho,aged Ronaldo
If they got those 2 windows correct, Ole could have achieved better is my opinion
Hope INEOS wont make same mistakes and put Carrick under the bus.
Yeah, I'd hadn't considered them. Jonathan Liew wrote a good article about big clubs and managers with a gentle approiach, worth a read.Not just the fans, but the players too.
Agreed, I think Iraola has a higher ceiling but we don't have the players for his football. Getting our transfers correct will decide next season, not Iraola or Carrick.Good to have the future settled. I was not overly convinced by any of the alternatives either, so I don’t mind the decision.
Now back the guy in the summer. That’s going to be everything.
What shape we were in was we were third in the table based on almost every advanced metric. Arguably, all Carrick has done is be in charge while we progressed to the mean. I don't think we would have reached third under Amorim, as much as I wish we had so I could yell about how smart I am. But I don't think what Carrick has done since he got the job is a valid argument for keeping him. We've regressed hard in several really important statistical areas that are predictive of long term success.Have people forgotten what shape we were in when he arrived? What he has achieved is nothing short of incredible. If that's not enough data to give him the job full time, then fine if that's your take, but I don't think anyone could have done what he has done since he was appointed. You can argue that he's not the man for the job, but basing that on what we have seen him do is mad in my opinion.
I'd say the biggest difference is that we make fewer mistakes, less sloppy and don't give away as many silly goals.What shape we were in was we were third in the table based on almost every advanced metric. Arguably, all Carrick has done is be in charge while we progressed to the mean. I don't think we would have reached third under Amorim, as much as I wish we had so I could yell about how smart I am. But I don't think what Carrick has done since he got the job is a valid argument for keeping him. We've regressed hard in several really important statistical areas that are predictive of long term success.
I suspect this will go pretty badly next season and Carrick won't be in charge one year from now.
I am desperate to be as wrong about that as I was about Amorim.
I agree. I would add that the reason we were making mistakes/being sloppy was because the way we were playing was being changed to a more modern approach. We were near the top of the league in pressing, for one example. It takes some time to get used to that was of playing and being able to do it mistake free. What Carrick has done is drag us back to pre-ETH sit deep, look to counter, and hope Bruno magics up some goals. Which we've seen can be reasonably successful at getting us into Europe. But isn't going to genuinely challenge for the league, imo. People seem to think Carrick's style will change next season with a pre-season, new players, more security in his position as first team coach etc etc. I remain very sceptical but again very hopeful to be made to look a compete fool.I'd say the biggest difference is that we make fewer mistakes, less sloppy and don't give away as many silly goals.
