Michael Carrick - Permanent Head Coach

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If it were up to me I would give him a season long contract, on pay parity with what we would pay a top level proven manager, he has earned that.

Any extension would be performance dependant of course. Top top results would earn a larger extension.

Ultimately, based on pedigree, Carrick doesn't have it, he has done pretty well at Middleborough, and a really good half season at United considering what he took over.
Managing United is one of the greatest accolades in football, getting a permanent contract likely is (and should be) viewed by Carrick as beyond his wildest dreams given his managerial experience.

I appreciate his/his teams negotiation stand point will be well if United see Carrick as the right person to appoint then we expect him to get a contract reflecting that, but United should be firm on contract length. We have squandered tens of millions on sacking managers, the last one Amorim was in my opinion trying to be sacked for the payout, and we prematurely gave Ole a lengthy contract.
 
Alex B said:
If it were up to me I would give him a season long contract, on pay parity with what we would pay a top level proven manager, he has earned that.

Any extension would be performance dependant of course. Top top results would earn a larger extension.

Ultimately, based on pedigree, Carrick doesn't have it, he has done pretty well at Middleborough, and a really good half season at United considering what he took over.
Managing United is one of the greatest accolades in football, getting a permanent contract likely is (and should be) viewed by Carrick as beyond his wildest dreams given his managerial experience.

I appreciate his/his teams negotiation stand point will be well if United see Carrick as the right person to appoint then we expect him to get a contract reflecting that, but United should be firm on contract length. We have squandered tens of millions on sacking managers, the last one Amorim was in my opinion trying to be sacked for the payout, and we prematurely gave Ole a lengthy contract.
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Neither did Pep or Zidane as managers until they were given a chance with Barca and Real, Arteta had zero pedigree before Arsenal, Kompany had zero pedigree before Bayern. Sometimes a manager needs to be given a chance.
 
Alex B said:
If it were up to me I would give him a season long contract, on pay parity with what we would pay a top level proven manager, he has earned that.

Any extension would be performance dependant of course. Top top results would earn a larger extension.

Ultimately, based on pedigree, Carrick doesn't have it, he has done pretty well at Middleborough, and a really good half season at United considering what he took over.
Managing United is one of the greatest accolades in football, getting a permanent contract likely is (and should be) viewed by Carrick as beyond his wildest dreams given his managerial experience.

I appreciate his/his teams negotiation stand point will be well if United see Carrick as the right person to appoint then we expect him to get a contract reflecting that, but United should be firm on contract length. We have squandered tens of millions on sacking managers, the last one Amorim was in my opinion trying to be sacked for the payout, and we prematurely gave Ole a lengthy contract.
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They're never giving him just a one year contract and for good reason. That doesn't mean they can't include less punitive pay out clauses.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Unfortunately there will be many on this site that will secretly prefer Carrick to fail (United to do bad) just so they can be proven right.
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They're already at it, like keep seeing the it'll end in 6 months in tears comment. Creating a false narrative like its all down to lucky results with all the performances have been poor. It's just factually incorrect. When you argue back the responses are so disingenuous like well the first 2 games are manager bounce or we lost the second half against Brentford 1-0 or 20mins of the second half against Pool or he's only done well because its 1 game a week. He might not be the right guy and he deserves some criticism because it hasn't been perfect but don't ignore the positive he's done.
 
It's natural to have reservations. The unknowns are whether he has it in him to play a more dominant brand of football and whether he can identify well the players required. If so, then it's very positive that he'll get more of a say in recruitment than Amorim (as has been reported) as I have doubts Wilcox is the man to do so.

The positives are many, he is popular with the players, he protects them all the time, he's calm with the media (the polar opposite to his predecessor), obviously knows the club, and he managed to turn around a season that was going absolutely nowhere.

There are of course the signs that he's slow to react in-game, that he's overly pragmatic (which was a criticism levelled at him at Boro), but when I looked on Transfermarkt I saw he played many different formations, often changing, and flexibility can be an asset. It's hard to know his ceiling.

I hope he turns out to be brilliant for us and if not that the club does not drag it too long to make a change, which I think is even likelier when you've got an ex United player in charge.
 
golden_blunder said:
Which shouldn’t come as a shock 2nd part of the season. Fergie used to bang on about results being more important. Plenty of times we played badly but still took the points. That can point towards a good team too
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That's fair enough but that wasn't every game.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Unfortunately there will be many on this site that will secretly prefer Carrick to fail (United to do bad) just so they can be proven right
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A few certainly, many I don’t know and hope not. Because ultimately we want the club to succeed and it doesn’t matter who takes us there. I vaguely remember when SAF sold most of title winning team and fans were disappointed that he didn’t replace them with signings. At the time most fans probably didn’t think the class of 92 would go on to be successful and would have probably preferred new signings, but i doubt many wanted them to fail.
 
Adz_99 said:
So they gave Amorim the boot for wanting greater control and then give his successor greater control.

Classic INEOS
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Amorim was sacked because of his hot headedness. Apparently there was a meeting where his behaviour shocked Wilcox and others and made keeping him untenable
 
Sandikan said:
Ugarte and Zirkzee not quite so successful.
Seeing how De Ligt and Yoro pan out too.
Most after that have been good though.
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De Ligt has been our best cb until his injury, and one of the best cb’s in the prem.
 
Adz_99 said:
So they gave Amorim the boot for wanting greater control and then give his successor greater control.

Classic INEOS
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I mean it’s clearly not true. But it gets people riled up and gets the online engagement that they want from posting that
 
Adz_99 said:
So they gave Amorim the boot for wanting greater control and then give his successor greater control.

Classic INEOS
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They sacked Amorim for being shit. They got in a fight because he was doing shit. It always stems from results. Every manager gets more control when they earn it. They lose control as they start failing. This happens every time, at every club.
 
Amorim had input regarding transfers last summer and we rejected it. I don’t see it being a big deal, as long as we don’t do what we did with ETH and follow the manager blindly.
 
A young, British Manager who loves Manchester United. I hope he succeeds because we could have a run likes years past. Sure there may be other managers out there with ‘better’ pedigree, Utd might be a scalp to them-don’t care you are-no thanks, and then they are gone.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Neither did Pep or Zidane as managers until they were given a chance with Barca and Real, Arteta had zero pedigree before Arsenal, Kompany had zero pedigree before Bayern. Sometimes a manager needs to be given a chance.
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Agreed, I would give him a chance but I wouldn't be giving a long contract at this point. I would pay high however.

Zumbi said:
They're never giving him just a one year contract and for good reason. That doesn't mean they can't include less punitive pay out clauses.
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Fair point they can and that is an alternative. But those reduced payout clauses can only really be implemented on objective measurements such as league positioning or which rounds of cups are met. When it comes to more subjective situations like playing style, how he deals with difficult players, success of transfers etc - it is very difficult to implement lower payouts. These were problems that plagued Ten Hag, Mourinho and Amorim for example.
Ultimately it comes down to leverage and incentivisation. I'm of the opinion this is Carrick's dream job, and I don't see other top clubs potentially trying to poach him (and him being interested). If we are doing poorly they won't go for him. If we are doing well he knows he will get an extension.
Offering a 1 year contract isn't taking advantage of him as such - as I said there would be top pay for it, and the incentive of a longer contract if he has a successful season and transfer window.
 
That more influence on transfers bit has got to be bullshit. We have moved away from that.

On the other hand, if I was Carrick, I‘d insist on getting in at least two good midfielders this summer, along with the other players we need for depth. Otherwise his goose is cooked.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I'm actually optimistic about Carrick as manager, but I don't like this (assuming it's true, which it might not be)
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If you follow the paper trail of that tweet it leads absolutely nowhere. If there was a tier level below basement that's where this tweet would be
 
NLunited said:
That more influence on transfers bit has got to be bullshit. We have moved away from that.

On the other hand, if I was Carrick, I‘d insist on getting in at least two good midfielders this summer, along with the other players we need for depth. Otherwise his goose is cooked.
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We need 3 midfielders, any less and we are basically the same as last year. .
Casemiro going, Ugarte almost certainly gone. We are left with only Mainoo, I dont want to see Bruno in midfield ever again.

Any less than 3 midfielders and we are basically going into another season with midfield problems.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Unfortunately there will be many on this site that will secretly prefer Carrick to fail (United to do bad) just so they can be proven right.
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Anyone who holds that view are not true fans.

I didn't want carrick to be appointed however he has been and I'll back him 100% now. I love carrick as a player and I hope he proves the doubters which includes me wrong. I'd love it if he's still the manager in 2040 as that would mean he's been a great success.

I also personally won't jump on his back on the first set of bad results either. All managers need a chance and all managers go through bad spells.

As far as I'm concerned now it's all decided, it's time to look forward and I hope he gets all the backing he needs to succeed


Onwards and upwards
 
Steve Bruce said:
Anyone who holds that view are not true fans.

I didn't want carrick to be appointed however he has been and I'll back him 100% now. I love carrick as a player and I hope he proves the doubters which includes me wrong. I'd love it if he's still the manager in 2040 as that would mean he's been a great success.

I also personally won't jump on his back on the first set of bad results either. All managers need a chance and all managers go through bad spells.

As far as I'm concerned now it's all decided, it's time to look forward and I hope he gets all the backing he needs to succeed


Onwards and upwards
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well said mate
 
SungSam7 said:
We need 3 midfielders, any less and we are basically the same as last year. .
Casemiro going, Ugarte almost certainly gone. We are left with only Mainoo, I dont want to see Bruno in midfield ever again.

Any less than 3 midfielders and we are basically going into another season with midfield problems.
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We ain‘t getting 3 midfielders, we need other reinforcements. Time to blood some academy players.
 
Alex B said:
Fair point they can and that is an alternative. But those reduced payout clauses can only really be implemented on objective measurements such as league positioning or which rounds of cups are met. When it comes to more subjective situations like playing style, how he deals with difficult players, success of transfers etc - it is very difficult to implement lower payouts. These were problems that plagued Ten Hag, Mourinho and Amorim for example.
Ultimately it comes down to leverage and incentivisation. I'm of the opinion this is Carrick's dream job, and I don't see other top clubs potentially trying to poach him (and him being interested). If we are doing poorly they won't go for him. If we are doing well he knows he will get an extension.
Offering a 1 year contract isn't taking advantage of him as such - as I said there would be top pay for it, and the incentive of a longer contract if he has a successful season and transfer window.
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But if we sign a 2+1 we’re not being crippled with a huge payout anyway. That’s already a short contract. Offering a one year deal is just trying to have your cake and eat it - it unnecessarily breeds short term thinking and empowers the players more than the manager. We either want Carrick to be our manager or not, and if we do then we can only assume the club has had detailed discussions with him regarding goals, playing style etc. Anyway it’s all moot - the club just aren’t going to offer him a one year deal because there are good reasons not to.
 
Realistically, the only way Carrick leaves next summer is if we don't qualify for the CL, a scenario in which there will almost certainly be clauses in his contract reducing the compensation.

I'd love us to actually care about things like performances and style of play. But I don't for a second believe we'd be proactive enough to get rid of him for those reasons alone if he gets CL football again, even if the football is poor. So from the perspective of his contract, it's kind of irrelevant.
 
JediSith said:
I think it’s a mistake. Can’t blame anyone who thinks it’s the right call and hope I’m the one proven wrong.
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We won't know until we see some results next year. Since we're going to finish 3rd and will be investing substantially this summer, the expectation will be the same or better form as we've seen over the past four months and a serious push for a league and CL.
 
Zumbi said:
And it hasn’t been for us. We’ve deserved to win a lot of our games under Carrick.
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I'm not sure how wins are ever not deserved, but we have won without playing better than our opponents plenty.
 
Adz_99 said:
So they gave Amorim the boot for wanting greater control and then give his successor greater control.

Classic INEOS
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They gave Amorim the boot because the results or performances were simply not acceptable
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Unfortunately there will be many on this site that will secretly prefer Carrick to fail (United to do bad) just so they can be proven right.
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There's very very few who would want that. It's silly to doubt other's passion for their club just because they disagree with you.
 
Hammondo said:
I'm not sure how wins are ever not deserved, but we have won without playing better than our opponents plenty.
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If Fulham and us play equally well as a collective, you'd expect us to win given we have far more individual quality. So yeah, it's entirely possible to win many. games while not collectively performing as well as your opponent. "Deserve" is very obtuse and subjective term in this context.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
If Fulham and us play equally well as a collective, you'd expect us to win given we have far more individual quality. So yeah, it's entirely possible to win many. games while not collectively performing as well as your opponent. "Deserve" is very obtuse and subjective term in this context.
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Yea we have been clinical at times.
 
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