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It is being reported that he has been moved to another hospital, the University Hospital of Lausanne, in Switzerland.
 

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Fantastic news.

It must to so strange to go Skiing one December morning, hit your head and wake up in June.
Pretty much how I have felt these last few transfer windows.
 

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As my mom always said, “You make your bed, you gotta sleep in it”. So even though I was sure I’d written my last post having anything to do directly with the Michael Schumacher tragedy, I just want to answer the hundreds of questions I’ve already gotten as to the import of todays statement.

1) It is obviously good news that Michael has left the hospital. Because of the length of time since Michael’s injury, and of the specific role of an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) in supporting and monitoring the function of the body’s major systems, it’s almost certain that Michael has not simply been discharged from the ICU to a rehab, without having “transitioned” by a stay on the regular wards. I have never seen a head injury patient with a 5 month ICU admission be transferred directly to a rehab facility . . . but anything’s possible.

Remember that there are lots of rehab facilities that can handle ventilated patients, so this transfer also says nothing about whether or not Michael is breathing spontaneously.

2) The moment Sabine announced that Michael had moments of eye opening, we knew he was no longer in a coma. BY DEFINITION. Coma = no consciousness, no eye opening. Open your eyes but unconscious, it’s a vegetative state. Add fluctuating signs of interaction with the environment, it’s a minimally conscious state.

So what does that mean? Sabine is a professional. At the beginning of April, she told us Michael had moments of awakening AND of consciousness. Once again, by saying this, she told us in almost clinically perfect language that Michael was no longer in a coma. She used two terms that only specialists actually distinguish; for laymen being awakeand being conscious are the same thing. This language, then, clearly was used based on discussions with Michael’s care team, and reflected a highly accurate description of his minimally conscious state.

Now, we’re told, with what appears to be a bit of a triumphal air, that Michael is no longer in a coma. As stated above, THIS IS NOT NEWS. I cannot help but think that this is a highly cynical use of language, using the truth to convey an impression that is almost certainly false. I cannot but think that if Michael had emerged AT ALL from the minimally conscious state that Sabine so accurately described in April, we’d be told that Michael is leaving for rehab, that he is having problems expressing himself and will work hard to get better. Or that he’s having to learn to walk,read, write, etc all over again. But no, we’re told what we already know, and pretty much told to not ever expect further updates. Kinda like what I was thinking.

This all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. And a huge space of sadness for Michael’s family, and for you, his fans.

http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2014/06/16/good-news/
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It suggests to me that there's nothing they can do for him at that hospital...after six months in a coma, they're not going to suddenly discharge him in the normal sense of the word, i.e. fully compus mentus and just in need of rehab.

It's all much too sudden for us to be over-optimistic. Or even optimistic.
 

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It suggests to me that there's nothing they can do for him at that hospital...after six months in a coma, they're not going to suddenly discharge him in the normal sense of the word, i.e. fully compus mentus and just in need of rehab.

It's all much too sudden for us to be over-optimistic. Or even optimistic.
Hard to know because(rightfully so)it's been very private. The only people who will know are close family and the doctors but it does seems to be positive that their talking about some sort of rehab
 

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Whoever it was must have cut a deal. Hope both the person who stole them and the whoever paid for it are bought to justice.
 

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No, they've tried to get him out of the coma a few weeks, I think, after the accident. It took a while but he eventually woke up according to their announcement - though much like everything else with Scumacher, it says very little about his actual condition.

Here's hoping though.
 

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No, they've tried to get him out of the coma a few weeks, I think, after the accident. It took a while but he eventually woke up according to their announcement - though much like everything else with Scumacher, it says very little about his actual condition.

Here's hoping though.
I don't know whether it's a no news because no progress thing or just because the family have chosen to keep things private - if the latter then fair play to them and they've been doing a great job in doing so. I don't recall anyone ever stating in no uncertain terms that he had properly awoke from his coma though, the terms used have been quite wishy washy. It's tempting to speculate but probably not appropriate.
 

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i have red somewhere that his agent said that he is able to communicate with his wife
 

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I don't know whether it's a no news because no progress thing or just because the family have chosen to keep things private - if the latter then fair play to them and they've been doing a great job in doing so. I don't recall anyone ever stating in no uncertain terms that he had properly awoke from his coma though, the terms used have been quite wishy washy. It's tempting to speculate but probably not appropriate.
True. I had a look and the announcement a few weeks ago said he 'is no longer in coma'. That leaves a lot unknown but even if they've written 'fully awake' it wouldn't be much different. The fact he's been released might not mean all that much in terms of the way he functions because his family would have money to get everything sorted comfortably home.

Hopefully he can get back to something close to a full life.
 

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Someone has stolen his medical documents from hospital and has put them up for sale to the media. Hopefully media show some morals, and turn the cnut in. Pretty fecking low
Apparently someone was arrested and he later hanged himself in his cell.
 

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I hope so, it would be terrible if he ended up a vegetable.
Communication can mean a lot of things. It could mean blinking. The selective things that have and haven't been said only seem like negatives to me, but again it could just be about privacy over anything else.
 

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Michael and corina were always intensely private people. You will go a long way to see family photos including gina and mick. Even when he retired unless Michael was around Ferrari or Mercedes, he was difficult to photograph. His Instagram shows he was in Australia last year before his incident and I guarantee virtually no media outlet knew about it.
 

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Communication can mean a lot of things. It could mean blinking. The selective things that have and haven't been said only seem like negatives to me,
Agreed. You suspect any improvement is very slight and the chances of a full recovery must now be virtually nil.
 

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I very much doubt he'll ever return to independent living or even be able to walk again. I've looked after young people with similar catastrophic brain injuries, and they had to live out their days in places like Sue Ryder. Fortunately for the family, they have enough resources to have been able to build a care home at home, and housing for full-time staff. It gives him the best chance of making as much progress as is humanly possible.

As he was very fit before the accident and he's had the best care that money can buy ever since, you'd imagine that if anyone was going to beat the odds, it would be him.
 

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Michael Schumacher: 'paralysed and in a wheelchair'
German driver still cannot speak and has memory problems, according to former racing driver Philippe Streiff

Formula One legend Michael Schumacher is paralysed and in a wheelchair, according to former racing driver Philippe Streiff.

The seven-time champion cannot speak and has memory problems.

Streiff, who is himself wheelchair-bound since a crash in Brazil during pre-season tests in 1989 left him a quadriplegic, was speaking on French radio.

The Frenchman, who is a good friend of Schumacher’s, said: “He is getting better but everything is relative. It’s very difficult. He can’t speak. Like me, he is in a wheelchair paralysed. He has memory problems and speech problems.” Streiff, 59, was seen visiting Schumacher when the German was in intensive care in Grenoble Hospital, France.

Schumacher, 45, was transferred to Lausanne Hospital, Switzerland, in June and he is now being cared for at his home on the shores of Lake Geneva.

Official news on Schumacher’s health has been scant.

It was December 29 when he suffered a freak ski accident in the French Alps which left him brain damaged and fighting for his life.

Schumacher, a very competent skier, was holidaying with family and friends in Meribel, where he owns a chalet.

He was skiing with his 14-year-old son on a red piste, which is classed for intermediate skiers.

But shortly after 11am he left the piste and skied on to an off-piste area located in between the red run and a blue run, for beginners to intermediates.

It was here that he struck a partially-covered rock. He was not skiing fast but he lost control and catapulted 34 feet on to another rock.

He smashed his head on the bolder. The force of the collision shattered his helmet. The footage recorded on a camera attached to his helmet was undamaged.

The film, which included audio, captured the crash in full horror and was analyzed by police who investigated the accident.

Two months later, on February 17, the head of the inquiry Prosecutor Patrick Quincy closed the case. He announced that any criminal wrongdoing had been ruled out.

He cleared the ski resort, stating that the piste had been marked correctly and that Schumacher “deliberately” left the ski run.

Schumacher was airlifted from the slopes minutes after the accident to Moutiers Hospital and was then transferred 80 miles west to CHU Grenoble, a larger hospital that specializes in head injuries.

He arrived at 12.40pm and had been placed in an artificial coma. He was immediately operated on to relieve pressure on his brain.

At the end of January it was announced that doctors had begun the process of gradually awakening him from his coma.

And then on April 4, his spokeswoman Sabine Kehm revealed that he was showing “moments of consciousness and awakening”.

He had opened his eyes and had interaction, albeit minimal, with his environment.

It was the first piece of positive news for months.

Schumacher's spokeswoman Sabine Kehm said Streiff's comments were "his opinions" and she therefore did not want to comment.

She added: "He did not have contact with us."

Ms Kehm has said it was “very hard” for his loved ones to comprehend how the racing car driver could have been so catastrophically injured in such a “banal situation”.

His wife Corinna has been a constant presence at his bedside. She and Schumacher met in 1991 on the F1 circuit after she was previously married to racing driver Heinz-Harald Frentzen.

She once said: “Michael’s passion for racing is just huge, it would have been impossible without this deep passion; this passion has made him who he is. I got to know him as a racer, and I had previously always had fullest confidence in him.”

He has referred to his marriage as “total harmony”, saying: “We have the same vision of how we want to spend our lives. My wife Corinna and our harmonious family - that is my main force always at play in the background.”

With an accumulated wealth estimated to be well over half-a-billion pounds, Schumacher’s family is well placed to provide the limitless care that will be needed in the coming years. This will include physiotherapists, to massage his atrophying joints, doctors, nutritionists, nurses and neurological experts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...Schumacher-paralysed-and-in-a-wheelchair.html
 

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So sad to hear of such an incredible athlete depleted to a shadow of his former self.

It'll be interesting to see how much stronger he can become in the coming years, as an unbelievably competitive sportsman (and a German :p) you can't imagine him giving up too quickly. Let's just hope he's in there somewhere preparing for the fight.
 

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I'm not sure that the report means that he isn't almost like that. Paraplegic, can't speak and has "memory problems" doesn't sound good especially as I suspect that memory problems mean a bit more than forgetting which shelf the mayonnaise is on in the fridge. If that were me I suspect I'd prefer to have died.
 

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I'm not sure that the report means that he isn't almost like that. Paraplegic, can't speak and has "memory problems" doesn't sound good especially as I suspect that memory problems mean a bit more than forgetting which shelf the mayonnaise is on in the fridge. If that were me I suspect I'd prefer to have died.
I didn't want to say it but you really do have to wonder if (he's capable of it for a start) he's having similar thoughts. I'm sure given the option pre accident it would have been a clear choice.


Did anyone happen to see an article on vegetive state btw where they did MRI scans and monitored brain activity on people who watching a horror movie and then people who were in vegetive states and some of them had the same brain patterns as the healthy subjects. Essentially suggesting that people who were previously thought to be dead to the world are still responding in some way to intellectual stimulation.

That scares the shit out of me. Imagine apparently being a vegetable in a ward somewhere staring at the ceiling for 10 years while people mill about you not knowing you're in there unable to get their attention.
 

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This could be just me, but such news (if true) shouldn't be dangled from a hook like some juicy piece of gossip, or whispered behind one's hand.

Better that he kept quiet IMO.
 

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This could be just me, but such news (if true) shouldn't be dangled from a hook like some juicy piece of gossip, or whispered behind one's hand.

Better that he kept quiet IMO.
I agree. Any news on his condition should be left to be said by his family or his agent if they wish to divulge.
 

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This could be just me, but such news (if true) shouldn't be dangled from a hook like some juicy piece of gossip, or whispered behind one's hand.

Better that he kept quiet IMO.
I completely agree, it makes the guy seem like he's trying to be impressive because he knows something that others don't.
 

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I think there's potential for something having been lost in translation here. If you look at the Gazzetta story cited by the Guardian - http://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/04...troruote-day-140544206063.shtml?refresh_ce-cp - the headline says "I have no good news", which has fairly different connotations. The quote in the body is a bit more ambiguous, but doesn't seem to state that he's heard something new.

That's what I'm hoping's happened, anyway.