Where doest he narrative come from that he lacks pace and physicality?
Mika Godts
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Is it? Antony had a top speed of 35.29 km/h in 2022/2023. That is very very quick. However Antony seems slow because he can't keep it up. Godts doesn't seem to have that problem, so he might be "slower" but he can keep it up for longer, so less of a problem
I wouldn't want any signings to sideline AJ Gabriel's pathway to the top.
Is there a chance he could be an impact player or rotational player with Cunha next season? Yes he's 15 or 16, but he's comparable to much older academy players.
In an ideal world he could be introduced to first team matchdays next season and we wouldn't need a new left winger.
Is there a chance he could be an impact player or rotational player with Cunha next season? Yes he's 15 or 16, but he's comparable to much older academy players.
In an ideal world he could be introduced to first team matchdays next season and we wouldn't need a new left winger.
Lots of people are counting on JJ. I think we are making a mistake bigging him up, making him feel important instead of letting him earn his place like other academy players.
I hope he has a good head on his shoulders and doesn’t become like Garnacho for example.
No.
Dowman is a year older and only has 43 PL minutes for Arsenal.
Gabriel is also still on the small side. Considering his age, and the size of his dad, one would expect he's still got a growth spurt to get through.
He might get a token 1 minute off the bench in a cup game next season, but he'll likely need at least 2 or 3 years before he could be a genuine rotation option for less important games.
There's also a chance he ends up playing more as a 10 anyway.
Before the news came out I saw he was linked with Roma.
Honestly If this has any legs, we should only be looking at it financially the same way as the Dorgu deal.
Honestly If this has any legs, we should only be looking at it financially the same way as the Dorgu deal.
Thats a good start. Does he have legs?
He’s only JUST 15
My brother was 16 when he made his debut. First thing he did was take someone down. Later that game, he almost got a goal from the halfway line, his shot just cleared the bar.
This was the third division in Holland, but still.
I‘d say age doesn’t matter when a player is ready, but their introduction and minutes have to be carefully managed.
Assumptions based on him coming from the same club as Antony and DvB, probably.
Sure, but Gabriel isn't yet.
It's great in theory but other big teams come and take those players away. Heads are easily turned by money and a greater perceived opportunity. If he's good enough to have an impact in the men's game then he's old enough.
I hate to derail this thread but JJ Gabriel has Neymar like qualities. Greenwood was the best academy player since Beckham and we missed out on making him a key player.
We can't mess up the Gabriel opportunity. He will go on to be a world class player.
We can't mess up the Gabriel opportunity. He will go on to be a world class player.
Oh my I cant wait for the 'how can we only count on Cunha, who is actually a 10, Dorgu, who is a wingback and doesnt have united level, and a 16 year old kid when with such a busy schedule when we want to become an elite team again' comments next year when we don't get a new left winger
I believe in Dorgu and Gabriel. That won't change next season.
I’m not great with the quoting so I’ll answer the questions as a whole. I think both Cunha and Amad are wide players that are as/more than likely going to cut inside and try to provide the final pass ball as they are to beat their man on the outside and cross first time. Not saying that this is all they can do but I’d like more variety in the wide options.
I’m aware that most width is provided by full back or wing backs which is where I think Dorgu will end up eventually. So while he can play there I’d like him to provide extra attacking width from full back.
As for Godts, I think centrally his link play and timing could flourish.
Hmm.
Watched him just now for Ajax vs Feyenoord, and I did think he struggled a bit with his wing play.
He did seem to lack some of the pace, power and directness required to beat his full-back - either on the outside or even the inside. Not quite Antony-level bad, but even when trying to dribble inside instead of managing to progress the ball forwards he more often ended up taking the ball inside and back towards his own goal, as opposed to managing to go inside and nearer to goal.
He looked a lot better when drifting off the flank in to pockets of space, so he could avoid having to directly beat an opponent and could create play a bit more.
He looks a good player still, but yeah he could struggle as a winger in the PL right now.
Nowhere near good enough to play for us next season.
Also bear in mind that he was playing against the 3th choice right back from Feyenoord, as Read and Deijl are injured.
Why we would ever do business with Ajax again is baffling!
Some context to the Antony transfer: Ajax did not want to sell after losing some of their core players, and the new coach was promised they would keep Antony.
Buying him for an exorbitant price was our mistake.
Nothing wrong with the Martinez transfer.
Buying Donny vd Beek was on us: that was just brainless. There wasn‘t a clear role for him.
Of course it was our mistake!
We just should not make it again.
no shit. we do seem to have learned. ugarte was the last mistake?
Just out of interest...what transfer fee would you estimate a fit Lisandro would sell for?
Yeah, because we overpaid for a couple of poor players from a club, it means that all the players they'll ever have must be shite.
Would be like Liverpool not signing Salah and Alisson because Alberto Aquilani and Fabio Borini were crap.
Because the transfer fees are comparableYeah, because we overpaid for a couple of poor players from a club, it means that all the players they'll ever have must be shite.
Would be like Liverpool not signing Salah and Alisson because Alberto Aquilani and Fabio Borini were crap.
Which would have nothing at all to do with your point even if they weren't... but they absolutely are.Because the transfer fees are comparable
Fact is, Liverpool did waste a lot of money on those players. 20m for Aquilani was a hell of a lot in 2009, and was only a shade lower than their record transfer then (Torres, a couple of years before). Which in context is of course very comparable to the Antony fee.
Definitely buy this guy for 60 million. He's better than Antony!
And as long as no one buys mighty Jordan Lotomba to mark him, I'm sure he'll be fine.
And as long as no one buys mighty Jordan Lotomba to mark him, I'm sure he'll be fine.
after depay onana antony van de beek zirkzee i cant wait to sign another player from the dutch league says no one ever
How old is he? 28, I‘d say we could sell him for 40 million to a team that appreciates his passing.
Zirkzee has never played in the Dutch league, sorry for nitpicking.
His pace was a topic…
I've always rated Odobert whenever I've seen him play, surprised he hasn't got more minutes for Spurs. Nice to see him show up here. I'd take him off their hands.
Firstly its good that theres a chart where hes shown to have pace in comparison to players who we know have pace
However even the top scale of that chart at 21.5 mp/h is only 34.6 km/h according to the google coverter
There were 14 premier league players over 36 km/h last season based on my searches
So I'm just surprised by all of those players on the chart not being higher speed in the CL so far.
Even if he could get his first minutes, he's super unlikely to actually contribute even as a rotational player. He's probably 3- years away from that.
Need to be realistic pal, hes still growing into his body so the likelihood of ACL/MCL injuries are incredibly high if we stress his workload. Kai Rooney has had a few niggles this year for example. Gabriel is not ready to play U21 regularly. One need only look at Lacey who keeps picking up injuries as he steps up the age groups.
We should bleed him in here or there for cameos but we shouldnt think about relying on him yet. Evwryone will point to Lamine Yamal, but he is an outlier and he was playing in a much less physically imposing league, in a team that dominates the ball, and has much less difficult games per season.
100%
I think he can get cameos next season, cup games the season after and then rotation by year 3 as hes about to turn 18.
Yeah he wouldn't cost a fortune, however Spurs never make it easy when it comes to selling to us
If we recruit another attacker from fecking Ajax, we deserve to be relegated
There, I said it
Ten Hag clearly scarred you then
There is no but still. 3rd division in Olland is light years away from the EPL. There is no comparison.
It would also be interesting to know if your brother was an under-sized 15yr old or a bigger kid.
I hope the people in charge of JJ's career are more patient than some of our impatient fans.
It is not really about ten Hag. The league is exceedingly week and mediocre players can appear quality or generational there.
It won't always be the case but we have to tread with caution. Depay, VDB, Antony did not all come here under ETH.