Mika Godts

Just watched his clips. He puts the medi in mediocre.

Struggles to get clear separation even in the Eredivisie and is often pushed not only in field but backwards.
He has to jink and juke a fair bit to beat his man and would require heavily on interplay to achieve anything in the EPL.

This is the poor man's Sancho.
 
I wonder how much they would want. I suppose as just a back up/bench option he looks like he would be ok but anything over 30-35 mil and have to be a hard pass. Even that seems excessive.
Feel like we also need someone with explosive pace just as something different and I wouldn’t be surprised if Rashford is brought back.
 
Ekeke said:
Firstly its good that theres a chart where hes shown to have pace in comparison to players who we know have pace

However even the top scale of that chart at 21.5 mp/h is only 34.6 km/h according to the google coverter

There were 14 premier league players over 36 km/h last season based on my searches

So I'm just surprised by all of those players on the chart not being higher speed in the CL so far.
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But raw speed data isn’t that revealing. I’d guess a player like Walcott or Dan James probably had a higher top speed than Bale or Ronaldo in his prime. The difference is power. Bale in full flow would just steam through defenders whereas Walcott would slam into a brick wall.

It’s not just how fast a player is, it’s how fast they can carry the ball and how much power they have whilst doing it.
 
Great dribbler in the Eredivisie who lacks output. Always looks great but doesn't influence games against the likes of NAC or Excelsior enough, let alone games against Arsenal... Needs to show far more to be worth a shout. He's far below Noa Lang level even...
 
SubutaiScipio said:
There is no but still. 3rd division in Olland is light years away from the EPL. There is no comparison.

It would also be interesting to know if your brother was an under-sized 15yr old or a bigger kid.

I hope the people in charge of JJ's career are more patient than some of our impatient fans.
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Of course there‘s no comparison, except that lower leagues physically are no joke. My brother is 6‘ or so.

His attributes were an outstanding workrate and great technical ability. He got in early because of talent more than size I‘d say.

Circling back to Godts, it will be years before JJ gets in the first team, and always could be another Angel Gomes.

If Godts has the workrate and physicality of Amad, who is a little guy, maybe he‘s worth a look.
 
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Hard no from me when fabs of Dutch football are saying that he’s nowhere near the level

I swear that even if someone linked us to a 1 legged blind footballer, there’d still be a couple of people producing stats and arguing for it to happen. It’s like signing players is the game to this type and not the actual net result
 
WouterWeghorst said:
Great dribbler in the Eredivisie who lacks output. Always looks great but doesn't influence games against the likes of NAC or Excelsior enough, let alone games against Arsenal... Needs to show far more to be worth a shout. He's far below Noa Lang level even...
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Mvp in the eredivisie in goals and assists..

Already exceeded Noa Lang is best ever season at both PSV or Brugge for an Ajax that was far far far less superior than those teams..

All fair to doubt whether he had the level or potential to make it at United, but stop posting verifiable nonsense..
 
SubutaiScipio said:
It is not really about ten Hag. The league is exceedingly week and mediocre players can appear quality or generational there.

It won't always be the case but we have to tread with caution. Depay, VDB, Antony did not all come here under ETH.
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+1
 
Ekeke said:
However even the top scale of that chart at 21.5 mp/h is only 34.6 km/h according to the google coverter

There were 14 premier league players over 36 km/h last season based on my searches

So I'm just surprised by all of those players on the chart not being higher speed in the CL so far.
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There's definitely something wrong going on with a number of those stats, as you say.

Even the official CL website has the likes of Gordon and Elanga much higher than there (36.4 km/hr and 35.5km hr/ respectively), while Godts remains about the same (33.3km/hr).

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/statistics/players/?sortBy=top_speed&order=desc

Godts certainly doesn't seem slow there based on those numbers, but also not lightning - the UCL site has his top speed about level with Cole Palmer and Noni Madueke, slightly ahead of Lewis Hall and Estevao. Seems about right I guess.
 
goldenboy said:
There's definitely something wrong going on with a number of those stats, as you say.

Even the official CL website has the likes of Gordon and Elanga much higher than there (36.4 km/hr and 35.5km hr/ respectively), while Godts remains about the same (33.3km/hr).

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/statistics/players/?sortBy=top_speed&order=desc

Godts certainly doesn't seem slow there based on those numbers, but also not lightning - the UCL site has his top speed about level with Cole Palmer and Noni Madueke, slightly ahead of Lewis Hall and Estevao. Seems about right I guess.
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So he‘s fast but not as fast as speedsters like Elanga. The eye test confirms that.

He seems to accelerate well which is more important for his playstyle.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
But raw speed data isn’t that revealing. I’d guess a player like Walcott or Dan James probably had a higher top speed than Bale or Ronaldo in his prime. The difference is power. Bale in full flow would just steam through defenders whereas Walcott would slam into a brick wall.

It’s not just how fast a player is, it’s how fast they can carry the ball and how much power they have whilst doing it.
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Right. I mean it is, but it does tend to take a decent amount of time to hit top speed like Sesko's goal earlier in the season, or other counter attack moves. Those are more likely to be where players have top speeds than simply beating a player 1 vs 1

But the point is that the chart is showing their top speed and all of those players, who are fast and some were 36km/h plus last season, are 34.6 km/h on the chart and down which is average for a winger


goldenboy said:
There's definitely something wrong going on with a number of those stats, as you say.

Even the official CL website has the likes of Gordon and Elanga much higher than there (36.4 km/hr and 35.5km hr/ respectively), while Godts remains about the same (33.3km/hr).

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/statistics/players/?sortBy=top_speed&order=desc

Godts certainly doesn't seem slow there based on those numbers, but also not lightning - the UCL site has his top speed about level with Cole Palmer and Noni Madueke, slightly ahead of Lewis Hall and Estevao. Seems about right I guess.
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Yeah that seems fair
 
I am not saying Godts is good enough for United (I have hardly seen him play) - but if 14 goals and 9 assists in 26 matches is "lacking output" - I wonder what would be considered good enough for a 20 year old in his 2nd season full season
 
lysglimt said:
I am not saying Godts is good enough for United (I have hardly seen him play) - but if 14 goals and 9 assists in 26 matches is "lacking output" - I wonder what would be considered good enough for a 20 year old in his 2nd season full season
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It’s the Dutch league to add context where many players have looked like world beaters until they transfer to the PL.
this has got Bellion vibes
 
BrilliantOrange said:
Mvp in the eredivisie in goals and assists..

Already exceeded Noa Lang is best ever season at both PSV or Brugge for an Ajax that was far far far less superior than those teams..

All fair to doubt whether he had the level or potential to make it at United, but stop posting verifiable nonsense..
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Did you watch him yesterday? Except for his assist he gave every ball to Twente players.
 
golden_blunder said:
It’s the Dutch league to add context where many players have looked like world beaters until they transfer to the PL.
this has got Bellion vibes
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That may well be it - but there have also been a lot of Dutch players who have looked like world beaters even after leaving the Dutch League - my point was mostly based on the criticism that he lacked an end product when he averaged something like 0.9 goal + assist pr 1 game. I am not saying his overall game is good enough (because I have no clue) - but only players like van Basten, Kluivert etc had better stats than that at the age of 20.
 
Not going to pretend to know much about him but he looks fantastic in the clips. Very very two footed.
 
How much do we reckon Ajax would want for him?

I could get behind this transfer if we were talking £15-20m max to have some rotation for Cunha.
 
It’s just so strange - so may great players have come out from that league in the past (Robben, RVP, Zlatan, RVN etc etc). But in the last 6 or 7 years the quality of players have become absolute shit. Have there even been any top class players that have come from the Dutch league recently? Not sure we should be looking at getting players from holland.
 
Don't forget some of our recent pick ups directly across the Dutch league... Van de Beek, Malacia, Antony.
 
Looks very promising but do we need promising players right now? We need players with very good end product. I know he’s got tons of assist but Antony was also very good in that league
 
DJ_21 said:
Looks very promising but do we need promising players right now? We need players with very good end product. I know he’s got tons of assist but Antony was also very good in that league
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One should rightly be wary of Dutch league wingers. Antony and Gakpo in particular looked world beaters there. In the EPL they have never got close to that
 
Freak said:
It’s just so strange - so may great players have come out from that league in the past (Robben, RVP, Zlatan, RVN etc etc). But in the last 6 or 7 years the quality of players have become absolute shit. Have there even been any top class players that have come from the Dutch league recently? Not sure we should be looking at getting players from holland.
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There has been a huge dearth of quality in general, the amount of top players in the PL has reduced a lot. In recent two seasons, probably Timber and Gravenberch would be considered top class players, De Ligt/Martinez/Kudus if not for injuries and the jury is still a bit out on Reijnders.
 
golden_blunder said:
The Ajax fans are telling us that he’s not good enough. Why are you ignoring that and willing to spend millions on him?
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The OP is an Ajax fan too, he seems to think that Godts is an amazing talent.

While his stats look good I understand the risk of this hypothetical transfer, therefore I can get behind the transfer if the fee reflects that risk.

I think we definitely need someone to take some of the load off of Cunha next season, I’m not saying that’s Godts but I think we need a cheap solution to the problem.
 
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