Mike Dean

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  1. Mar 7, 2016
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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    Blocking a free kick definitely should be a booking, otherwise players would always stop quickly taken free kicks and the momentum in a game would constantly be quashed. The player has already used a foul to kill momentum, but to break the rules twice to kill it is on the cusp of cheating really. Besides, it seems daft to lament the rules and not Juan Mata's stupid decision.

    It's the consistency that is the most annoying part. Both of Juan Mata's offences were bookings. But Gardner committed four fouls yesterday, one of them stopped Memphis bringing the ball in to the box. It stopped an attack and it was a clear attempt to stop the man and not the ball. He did the same to Lingard in a similar position too. Why wasn't he booked? There'll never be true consistency with each decision as every offence is different, but Mata rightly got a booking for committing a foul on Fletcher whilst Fletcher was in his own half. Gardner committed fouls to stop an attack right at the edge of his own box. Memphis had space to run into and Gardner knew it. Lingard was about to cross and Gardner knew it. He stopped both by bringing the attacking players down. Fletcher being tripped in his own half was deemed worse than both Memphis and Lingard being fouled when about to bring the ball in to the box. I don't get how a referee can measure one against the other so erratically.
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    Gerald G Full Member

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    The first one was so stupid and definitely a yellow card. With the 2nd one he could have given him a warning, I think most refs would have just given him a warning.
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    This is true. I think he also is always looking to prove that he's a "strong ref" who isn't afraid to make bold decisions. But that just ends up with him making big but poor decisions usually against the bigger clubs. I wouldn't mind if before the game he had a word with the captains and said there would be zero leniency in the game and that we then saw 8 or 9 yellows including 2 for Mata.

    He definitely couldn't wait to send Mata off and probably thought at the time the newspaper headlines the following day would have read "strong masterclass from Dean defines game".
  4. Mar 7, 2016
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    montpelier Full Member

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    The 2nd was a late wild swipe which I think made some sort of contact. Much more worthy of a yellow card than a bit of silly slightly cheaty FK blocking.
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    Well in handball not leaving the ball alone after commiting an offence gets you sent off. And I think refs should punish this taking the ball, throwing the ball or blocking it when the ref blows for a freekick.. Just leave the ball alone, but it has to be all the time not just when you feel like it. And Dean couldnt get the cards out quick enough to book Mata there was no need to send him off at the 25th min and there will be many cases more when players will not get a cards for something like this for the rest of the season. But if refs are going by the book it has to be all the time not just when it suits the nicely.
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    Oo0AahCantona Full Member

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    Responsibility lies with mata. He "took a yellow" for the first one, to stop a quick free kick, and then he was late for the second. Now, should mata have been given a warning for the swipe? probably, but we cant have any arguments as in the moment it looks like a very late challenge
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    He comes across very arrogant, too arrogant for my liking. You want referees to be fair to the players, Mate's second booking should've been a warning.
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    How many times do we see a ref give a final warning to a player already on a booking? That would be too sensible for a twat of Dean's calibre.

    I said it during the game, Dean takes pleasure in making the game all about him over-officiating every game. It's no coincidence that he's sent off the most players this season.
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    montpelier Full Member

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    If you lot happened to be refereeing World War III, parking your tank on the grass is gonna be regarded as worse than dropping a bomb in the wrong place.
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    Then why was nobody on WBA's side screaming for a booking?

    It was certainly a challenge that you could give a card for, but there was no compelling need to, and 9/10 a ref would not give a 2nd yellow for it at that point in the game. Don't think there's any doubt about that.
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    Surprisingly, the only player I saw moaning from WBA was Darren Fletcher. Maybe that swung it. He was desperate to win, after all.
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    Dirty traitor.:mad:
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    Was he even asking for a booking though? Looked to me who was just fecked off at being fouled.
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    Lurpak99 Buttered up

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    I can see that Mike Dean is from Wirral and still lives in Liverpool, which apparently also was the reason why the FA dropped him for the FA Cup final in 2006. Hmm....
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    I thought Dean got it right. When I saw the second yellow live, it clearly looked like Mata had an intentional go at the player and kicked out, also with the intent to kill any counter attack. With Blind's challenge, it seemed more to me that he was playing the ball and pulled out in time before anything serious could happen, with no intention. Again, at live speed with only seconds if that to make a call, it looked like Mata was intentional, while Blind was not.
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    Neither should taking off your shirt, but those two things are the most guaranteed yellow cards in football.

    I can't see an argument for Mata not being sent off. First booking is a guaranteed yellow for blocking the free kick, 2nd yellow was certainly a bookable foul, very stupid thing to do on a yellow card. No matter how early or late into a game you are, if you commit two bookable fouls/offences, you should be sent off.

    As much as I think Mike Dean is a Cnut, he was given no option by Mata.
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    I agree that Mata has no one really to blame but himself (particularly with the first idiotic yellow,) but Dean did have the option to show leniency, and I don't there would have been a big outcry had he done so.
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    Can we stop this nonsense that both were bookable offences and he gave the Ref no option. Seriously thats bullshit, no one forced Dean to issue the second yellow. He has the discretion to give him a warning instead.

    Last weekend, and the weekend before and basically every weekend ever there will have been players already on a yellow who commit bookable tackles (worse ones than Mata's as well) and the ref shows leniency and either lets them away with it or gives them a warning.

    Dean didn't need to send Mata off, but seeing as it was Super Sunday on Sky Sports and all eyes were on him he decided to be a pedantic cnut and make himself the talking point for the half-time and post match discussions. Had it been a 3pm kick-off on a saturday between Bournemouth and Sunderland i seriously doubt he would have been as arsed to send him off.
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    Has he given any penalties for grabbing at corners since giving one against us? This is why I hate the cnut. He most likely have given Mata a warning if he played for home team.
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    Agreed, for a normally intelligent player, Mata was very stupid in this case, made up the referee's mind for him, even if it happened at Old Trafford I think any decent ref would struggle to look the other way.

    I think it's the back lift on mata's leg before the kick, I'm 100% he'd have got away with a simple trip but there was little Mike Dean could do for him.
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    He's the one ref I dread officiating our matches.
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    Mata's challenge looked awful when I saw it live - was very late and looked like he took a wild swing at fletcher. We get the benefit of replays but even still, he caught him and broke up play. Could he be given a warning? Probably, but if that was a West Brom player, we would be livid if he wasn't sent off.

    Dean is attention grabbing, yes - but I don't think he did anything wrong here. Wild swing, late tackle and stopping s counter would equate to a yellow card for me. What he did wrong was not show consistency - as there were other tackles in the game where he didn't show cards to.
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    Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football

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    It seems to be that if Dean has the freedom because in that situation, he can use his experience, then where is the common sense? You see plenty of repeat fouls by people nothing given. How many games have a sending off after 26 minutes? In that situation, a final warning or talk to the captain. But Dean acts like he had no choice and yet it seems to me, they have that power. You expect a ref to be able to read the game. IIt was an easy game and Dean acted like a robot. Two mistakes, your off! So the game was ruined after 25 minutes. Now we can blame Mata too but I think we all know he wasn't trying to injure Fletcher. They were breaking but it was near their penalty box, not our own. A little bit of common sense; and there are plenty of examples where people get given talked or what have you. Dean gave himself no time to think. But I don't think this guy should be allowed to ref United games since the media highlighted his penalty record for United years ago. That was disgusting and so I don't think we can look at his performances now and not know that he isn't under pressure of some sort. Thats unacceptable.
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    I think you're all underestimating that Mata's 2nd tackle is possibly a talking too - it looks awful & is definitely a yellow 95 times out of a 100. It's a completely fair decision is the 2nd card, as is the first on a technical basis - and we don't like cheating, it would appear. But don't understand the fuss over the 2nd card, really don't.
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    milemuncher777 formerly kid777

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    It was a completely fair decision to sent Mata off. The fact that he took a wild swing at it sealed his faith. If it was remotely like a tackle that you normally see he'd have got benefit of the doubt.
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    Mike Dean is a horrible Scouse cnut, who always gives us a raw deal. The first booking for Mata - fair enough. That doesn't therefore mean that he has to issue a second yellow for the next infringement committed by the same player. Two harmless fouls doesn't equate to two yellows. But, of course, Dean being Dean, he couldn't wait to brandish a second yellow. I'm getting sick of seeing our players get booked for the first foul they've committed in a match, whilst we regularly see opponents committing several fouls before they pick up a booking. Mata though should have been smarter and not given Dean the option to send him off.

    It definitely seems like some referees have been getting their own back on us since Fergie retired. They wouldn't dared have treated us the way they have done when he was on the touchline.

    Dean, along with Martin Atkinson and Michael Oliver, is the referee I dread the most officiating at our matches.
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    The Arsenal game was a peak for me of our players getting punished with yellows for things, where Arsenal players didn't get yellows for similar offences.

    I'm not implying any conspiracy, but refs definitely need sitting down & showing videos of games of these kind of inconsistencies. They often generally seem good at this sort of thing, where they obviously think "No cards in the first 20 mins" and giving players a "talking to" rather than whipping the yellow out straight away. But if they do that, it needs to apply for both teams.

    The 2 sides are always different, different set-up, different intensity, different pressing and stuff, it must be hard to referee them the same.

    In some cases, it's definitely like they bring pre-conceived ideas about players and how dirty or not they are into games.

    With regard to the Mata sending-off, he should have had a word with him the first time I reckon. Refs have some leeway. In a recent post, I made some comment about an opposing player who I thought should have had a second yellow & the response from someone was that the ref "wanted to keep each side with 11 men on the field" - which was a crap response, but is often the way refs officiate games. To give the players some leeway, up to a point, to calm things down. After all, that's the refs job, not to apply the rules 100% rigidly, but to possibly defuse situations, calm players down & to improve the game.
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    I am a little torn with this. Where as I agree, as it just ruined the game, Mata's swipe was so wild; it was a stick on yellow card. It looked like a very frustrated swing. I think not to give it, just because it will keep 11 v 11, isn't a strong enough argument. The second yellow card offence has to be a debatable yellow, which Mata's was not.

    That being said, Mike Dean loved every minute of sending him off. He consistently wants to be the centre of attention in a match and It swings both ways. He sometimes has very strong games, in very intense atmospheres, so you have to commend him. He also stinks up the place with his blatant "I'm the king of the castle" attitude and sticks by his incorrect decisions.

    I actually think he didn't have that bad of a game and made the right decision about Mata. A professional level a 11 man team should always beat a 10 man one, I'm not sure why people are so critical in other threads after this result.
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    This reads like all fouls are equal but they're not. It was a wild swipe from Mata right in front of the ref, you might call it harmless but you'd know about if you were on the end if it.

    I think you're onto something here though. Right from the off under Moyesy I noticed refs and linesmen weren't as intimidated, our stats of penalties for and against were shocking. Remember the red sh1te coming to our patch and getting 3 penalties? Now we defended like muppets and they were the right decisions but there's no way Clattenburg would have had the balls to do it with Fergie on the sideline staring him down.

    He truly was the master at using the press to put pressure on officials in the build up to big games. Even drawing attention to a player who took a dive etc, puts a doubt in the ref's head and could be the difference between giving away a penalty or not.

    The FA are mugs too, if you drag a ref through the mud for a decision you weren't happy with they'll often avoid putting that ref in the spotlight again. We had a good run with Howard, as a result he got more and more high profile games, became their number 1 ref and got a World Cup final.
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    So Diego Costa finally got a red card tonight, unbelievably his first in a Chelsea shirt. That must be the most overdue red card in football history.
    The fact that Mata got red carded before Costa did shows how idiotic some of the refereeing is.
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    top1whoisman Meet the press(conference)

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    How can this guy still be a PL ref, another horror show today.
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    VP89 Pogba's biggest fan

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    Is he the worst ref in the league?
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    I don't think he's had a horro show. Ut hes always to desperate to prove hes the dog's bollox.
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    So Barkley should be off and Lovren too.
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    TwoSheds More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably

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    Barkley going off would be a kindness, he's fecking useless.
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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    Mike Dean is on instagram?
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    Best ref in football.
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    This spineless coward only ever gives a big decision when its a penalty against United.
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    Bollocks :lol: Don't know how this ended up in the Mike Dean thread