Arsenal fans are already getting bored of him.
Winning by 1-0 or drawing most game isn't fun.
Winning by 1-0 or drawing most game isn't fun.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It means that as much as they were better than us they created very little and if anything despite us being terrible we had the slightly better chances.
9 times out of 10 that game ends 0-0.
Perhaps, but Arsenal deserved the win.
Can’t really be arsed getting into massive multi-quote arguments about a team I don’t give a shit about but Palace had 14 shots on our goal and scored 3 times. So that game isn’t really comparable with Arsenal’s parked bus vs City, is it?
And that’s without even getting into the ludicrous idea that the gulf in class between the Brighton/Palace squads is in any way comparable with the difference between Arsenal’s squad and United (or even compared to City).
I'm with you on that one. It's his voice and the fact he looks like Eddie Munster.
I'm not so sure. It was an awful game with very little creativity. They certainly didn't deserve to lose and United didn't deserve to win but we're splitting hairs at this stage.
Mikel bottle carrier. Someone should mix something into his shampoo and make him go bald. Mikel Balteta.
I really don’t see what you see. You list some players you have but I’m not quite sure what your post is supposed to prove? That you have a young squad? Yeah, so? You have a squad that has been dead rubber for years. The only players I rate is Saka, Martinelli and Gabriel and you can’t really say that they are PL proven. Saka needs to kick on and add more elements to his game, Martinelli needs to come back from his injury and kick on. Gabriel, well, if he plays like this rest of the season I do wonder why no one else challenged Arsenal for his signature...
Going to Liverpool and City and lose and it’s progress. Jesus
Arteta sets his team up negative and it will work against the top sides. You will win some games by playing more pragmatic. But it doesn’t really matter in the long run. You play these games maybe 10 times per year. United’s done a job at Etihad, Stamford Bridge, etc, but we do seem to have a problem against rubbish teams. And yes, you have the same problem even though you’ve won yours. I’ve seen your fixtures against the “lesser” sides and I really don’t see any progress. You had the small margins with you against West Ham and Sheffield United.You keep telling us about your defensive record. United had one of Europe’s best defensive record last season, but I still think it’s nowhere good enough if we want to win titles. I don’t think your defence is the best in the league. Your not really counting the fact you’ve parked the bus and you’re lucky that you haven’t conceded more goals. Hence imho your “flukey” FA cup win.
And no one of Nketiah, Martinelli and Saka are on Rashfords/Greenwoods level. I haven’t seen Saliba but I do wonder why he is omitted from your squad when you seem to think that he’s the second coming of Jesus.
The main thing is, football fans, in general, aren't stupid. If Arsenal fans weren't happy with how things are going under Arteta, they'd let everyone know. The same way they did under Emery, & the same way they did at the end of Wenger's reign. Both show, they aren't just going to follow someone blindly just for the sake of doing so.
We feel there has been progress. That's good enough for us just now. However, we also feel there needs to be more progress, so Arteta, like every other manager, will continue to be judged. Can he get us more creative. Can he get us consistent? Will we challenge for a top 4 place? Can he win us the Europa League? These will all continue to be asked of him.
The defence has improved greatly with 1 coaching & 1 summer window. We have Saliba to come in to add to that as well.
We could sign a couple of the players i have mentioned & that strengthens the midfield & attack greatly.
I guess we disagree on what we regard as good players & what we regard as rubbish.
We feel there has been progress. That's good enough for us just now. However, we also feel there needs to be more progress, so Arteta, like every other manager, will continue to be judged. Can he get us more creative. Can he get us consistent? Will we challenge for a top 4 place? Can he win us the Europa League? These will all continue to be asked of him.
You mention the fact that it will take at least 4 windows to rid our squad of all these rubbish players, or however you put it. My point is that there is a squad of talented younger guys already there, that with the right coaching & management and with the right additions on top that could be moulded into a very decent team.
The defence has improved greatly with 1 coaching & 1 summer window. We have Saliba to come in to add to that as well.
We could sign a couple of the players i have mentioned & that strengthens the midfield & attack greatly.
I guess we disagree on what we regard as good players & what we regard as rubbish.
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He's got LVGs old assistant on his coaching team and plays LVG football. Low risk, control based football. It's dull and ultimately won't cut it in the modern game where you need more creativity and risk in your game to beat most teams.
Let's see if can evolve the team but I have my doubts.
Let's see if can evolve the team but I have my doubts.
The annual table (which is basically when Arteta took over) has us 3rd. It's tight between 3rd to 8th but it has us right in the mix & that's where we want to be at the end of the season.Going to Liverpool and City and lose and it’s progress. Jesus
You keep telling us about your defensive record. United had one of Europe’s best defensive record last season, but I still think it’s nowhere good enough if we want to win titles. I don’t think your defence is the best in the league. Your not really counting the fact you’ve parked the bus and you’re lucky that you haven’t conceded more goals. Hence imho your “flukey” FA cup win.
And no one of Nketiah, Martinelli and Saka are on Rashfords/Greenwoods level. I haven’t seen Saliba but I do wonder why he is omitted from your squad when you seem to think that he’s the second coming of Jesus.
It also has this attacking Man Utd side as having scored a whole 4 goals more than this boring defensive side over the same period. So considering our park the bus tactics, that's quite damning on yourselves.
The other thing you are doing is looking at our results in isolation. We just beat West Ham & Sheffield Utd. So did the champions, by the same score lines. Look at our rivals, Leicester lost at home to West Ham, Spurs drew with them. You guys got beat by Palace at home. This isn't a wum by any means, & no-one is saying we are great, but then again, I'm not seeing much greatness round about us.
He's the most consistent WUM on here, I wouldn't bother responding.
He, just like LVG, needs time to build the foundation and also implement his philosophy in the team. It takes time. Now with the players we have and a 343 formation playing with wing back is a very defensive team. We are not scoring many goals at the moment either.
Don't get the obsession with this guy. He's playing 5 at the back and counter attacking teams. We know that's effective as that's what we're very good at too. But at least we're trying to move away from it. Not very successfully yet I will concede but it takes time.
Our fans won't allow our manager to play 5 at the back for more than a handful of games a season. They go mental when he does even if we win.
Our fans won't allow our manager to play 5 at the back for more than a handful of games a season. They go mental when he does even if we win.
For clubs like arsenal, spurs, everton and leicester, 4th place IS a trophy. Style can come later.
It isn't quite a normal Back 5.
With the ball Tierney is a normal left back, Saka plays a LW/CM-Hybrid and Auba often moves between LW and ST.
Against the ball is surely a Back 5 and it works so far with the best defense in the league despite playing against Liverpool, City and United.
And probably every Arsenal Fan will agree, that we have big issues in the final third. But i doubt there will be an improvement in the next time with the squad we have, because our midfield is lacking creativity and Auba on the wing doesn't help for that.
LVG and Pep are similar in their ideas - LVG and Arteta did/are doing what Pep would have had to do if he hadn't walked into a well planned project. First you sort out the structure and positioning, then you build from that. Remember that LVG made Blind and Smalling an incredible CB pairing, he wasn't able to go out and spend £200m on an entire new back line, but his biggest issues were none of the attacking recruits did well and he ended up relying on an old Rooney.
Arteta will get more time than LVG - his signings so far look good and it's because he has a template already for how the team need to play. I reckon they'll try for Lamptey, or a similar type of player, and then keep an eye out for upgrades on Holding and another all rounder CM in the mould of Hojberg or Henderson. It will be tough for them to bridge the gap to win the league but top four isn't too far away by the looks of things.
At what age will he experience a receding hairline?
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But if you want to go down that route, comparing Arsenal with United (as all friggin discussions with an Arsenal fan tend to be) you have to be very aware that we missed our best goal scorer in large periods of your timeline. You pick out Aubameyang out of your team and you’re not scoring mate. We got James/Lingard/Pereira in the starting eleven and Pogba out injured. And we only start playing some outstanding football between February to July. And we are second in terms of points in that timeline, so you can twist and turn every stat however you like. I’m not blind and one can argue to why Ole insisted with a 4-2-3-1 when we didn’t have a no. 10 and still good wingers.
And still, you’ve pretty much ignored one of my key arguments to why Artetas process shouldn’t be as highly regarded as it seems to be.
But let me rephrase it and it will maybe sink in.
You are scoring more goals than you should and your conceding less goals than you should. Your average shots per game is like 7-8 (lowest ever) and your conceding more shots than you did under Emery. But maybe it’s part of the plan?
How lucky we Man United fans must be that a season is not played from January to November..
But if you want to go down that route, comparing Arsenal with United (as all friggin discussions with an Arsenal fan tend to be) you have to be very aware that we missed our best goal scorer in large periods of your timeline. You pick out Aubameyang out of your team and you’re not scoring mate. We got James/Lingard/Pereira in the starting eleven and Pogba out injured. And we only start playing some outstanding football between February to July. And we are second in terms of points in that timeline, so you can twist and turn every stat however you like. I’m not blind and one can argue to why Ole insisted with a 4-2-3-1 when we didn’t have a no. 10 and still good wingers.And still, you’ve pretty much ignored one of my key arguments to why Artetas process shouldn’t be as highly regarded as it seems to be.
But let me rephrase it and it will maybe sink in.
You are scoring more goals than you should and your conceding less goals than you should. Your average shots per game is like 7-8 (lowest ever) and your conceding more shots than you did under Emery. But maybe it’s part of the plan?
He’s done well so far. I do think the football is pretty dire to watch, but the squad is fairly shite and I don’t think it’s a bad call to be more pragmatic while he tries to mould the squad into something that he feels can become a little more expansive and easier on the eye. Especially due to the circumstances when he took over.
I’m quoting you but there’s a few who share your sentiments. I think you’re pretty badly mistaken here. Not solely on the topic of Arteta, but the idea that a manager won’t deviate from a certain style depending on the makeup of the squad he has. It’s patently untrue.
Not in this life.
Guiding Arsenal to the giddy heights of 8th again by looks of it.
If it wasn’t for Pogba being stupid there would be more questions asked about him.
Thought they won the league last week when they beat us at Old Trafford?
Their football is shite. Guy is being given a free ride.
You can tell he spent many years working with Moyes.
He even has Moyes assistant.
Boring football.
Absolutely no creativity in their team, yet he forces Ozil into exile and sticks Aubameyang out on the left wing.
Absolutely no creativity in their team, yet he forces Ozil into exile and sticks Aubameyang out on the left wing.
As I said last week even after they beat us, he's a nothing coach. Yes, he has a philosophy but it's a pretty boring Van Gaalesque defensive one. Like Van Gaal at United, he'll win the odd cup and beat the big teams every so often, but he's not winning you the league.
And Van Gaal’s from United.
Guy gets away with so much just because he used to put the cones out for Pep.
Pogba gifted the man 3 points.
Pogba gifted the man 3 points.
Do Arsenal fans actually enjoy what he's doing there? The football couldn't be further away from what they're used to.
He’s no better than Solskjaer. He just has an ASOS hook-up.
Partey time lasted a week so....
Not even that, I think Arsenal will be a good 10-15 points off 4th place again.
He's at least won something with them which is more than what Ole has done with us.
But according to people in the “rank the PL managers” thread he was only marginally below below Pep and Klopp, because hurr durr Arsenal beat us via a stupid Pogba penalty.
people need to stop drawing conclusiona after every single fecking game
people need to stop drawing conclusiona after every single fecking game
I guess losing 3-0 at home is infinitely preferable