That's just weird. How the feck would that help him or Arsenal? Did he think he was preparing for a ref exam?
Mikel Arteta | Lego Graham Taylor
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More performative bollocks from him. "Pep is an overthinker in big CL games, so I must do the same".
Reads like someone's shitty WhatsApp group texts
Probably because negative football has been their thing for about 2 seasons now.
And that's an issue and something to mock them for. Having these kind of performances vs midtable teams in the league is hideous and shouldn't be acceptable - but against the best team in the world?
Gracious loser as always
I'm with you on one game, a final, being an exception. At that stage it's just about the result.
I don't particularly blame them tonight but having seen how the game panned out, PSG not actually being that good, I'd be frustrated as an Arsenal fan.
Especially with the background being 2 years of this type of football. Albeit effective.
Yes but it’s a daft comparison.
One match away from home in a two legged fixture (which United won) v a performance over 120+ minutes in the European Cup final.
His graceless post-match ranting is redolent of Thirrry Henry's delightful sour grapes after Barca
did for them in 2006.
They can be a horrid little club, Arsenal.
did for them in 2006.
They can be a horrid little club, Arsenal.
I don't want to misquote him, it's such a dangerous thing these days, but he was asked about Gabriel Magalhães' pen and he said they practice it in training but he lacked the accuracy and that's why the lost the final. Pretty bluntly put for their MOTM I thought, in that it sort of puts it on an individual.
He seemed really down in the post match interview. Good. I hope he sees Gabriel missing that penalty every time he closes eyes tonight.
Same words that ‘Look Mum No Computer’ used at Eurovision.
A complete and utterly gutless performance for the most part. They showed a bit more after psg’s equaliser but why didn’t they try to at least keep some form of counter attack going when 1-0 up. It was literally like they went 1 up and gave up doing any sort of attacking. As good as this psg team is plenty of teams who’ve gone at them have created chances and scored.
It obviously didnt help that the likes of Saka and Odegaard put on generational stinkers. But yeah this is the problem when you spend all season predominantly focusing on dark arts and low risk football which is what Arteta has done.
When your attacking players are so bad through the season, hard to just turn the tap on in a game like this. They caught psg out early today but it was a gutless and garbage display in general.
It would have been a stain on the game if these guys won the Champions League.
It obviously didnt help that the likes of Saka and Odegaard put on generational stinkers. But yeah this is the problem when you spend all season predominantly focusing on dark arts and low risk football which is what Arteta has done.
When your attacking players are so bad through the season, hard to just turn the tap on in a game like this. They caught psg out early today but it was a gutless and garbage display in general.
It would have been a stain on the game if these guys won the Champions League.
Absolutely. PSG were there for the taking but Arsenal players are used to getting a goal and shit-housing their way to a 1-0 against lesser opponents. But the ref was having none of that. I applauded when he booked Mosquito for time wasting at a throw in.
Another example was the Saka corner. Instead of just whipping it in last second of half, he’s there messing about and the ref was like “feck this shit”.
Further add Madueke, rather than actually try and score or create a goal decided to hook his arm onto a defenders shoulder and initiate contact. Just play some fecking football man..
Señor Southgate.
He could do more with the talent at his disposal. They looked ragged at times.This probably won't go down too well, but I'm not sure why he's getting so much stick here. They had a clear match plan to nullify the best team in Europe and nearly pulled it off. It wasn't pretty, but I assume that was never the target. They made PSG look like Van Gaal's United at times.
And it's not like other teams haven't done it before. We did it in Barcelona 08 for example:
Saying that it's QF, SFs now final so he is doing something right.
The difference is that where other teams might do it from time to time as a necessary evil, Arteta has made it Arsenal's core philisophy and default approach to football at all times. Parking the bus and timewasting from the 5th minute of a CL final really is the kind of thing that should be called objectively unacceptable of a club that intends to be taken seriously as a member of the elite. That's Arteta's legacy. A blemish on the sport.
Wonder what he’d have said if PSG weren’t punished for the Saka handball or Trossards arm sending Havertz away….
I thought a bit about Mourinho‘s teams of the past. Remembering his Inter team for example. And while he always set up to play very negatively and defensively, the very moment an opportunity arose, his team would take it. They didn’t attack much. But they did attack. With purpose, urgency and skill. Which worked so well, because players like Milito or Eto‘o were resilient and confident. And because Mourinho showed them, that he trusted them. Those teams just oozed confidence.
Arteta however, is a ver different case. If you watch yesterdays game, that whole attack lacked confidence. Saka looked miserable throughout the game. He did what was expected of him. But you could tell he hates playing like this. And he’s not the only one. Ödegaard suffers the same fate. And that’s on Arteta.
He has degraded his attackers to actors whose sole purpose is to defend as much as possible and try to create set pieces. No room for individual brilliance. No fluid patterns of play. No Joy at all. Of course they lack confidence and joy.
And it never had to be like this. I know the way they approach set pieces has been heavily criticised. But other than the time wasting aspect, I never did mind it all that much. The rules allowed for it, so they exploited it.
But instead of this being a part of their plan, something to fall back on, when things aren’t going as planned, they made it their whole identity. It became all they do and all they know how to do. And when teams are able to prevent them from getting into these situations and are able to defend the few opportunities Arsenal did have like yesterday, they have absolutely nothing to fall back on. They had no plan b, no alternatives at all. And that’s on Arteta. And it is inexcusable, because the competition was always going to catch up on their set pieces. Advantages like this fade quickly. Other teams have set piece analysts, too. So believing that you can ride this wave all the way to a CL trophy is naive. And that’s on Arteta.
A better manager would have used the set piece strength as part of a bigger tactical approach that doesn’t stifle his own offense. Usw it as a security blanket of sorts. Let them play football (doesn’t have to be like PSG or Bayern do it) and if the game doesn’t go your way, you still have set pieces. Like an insurance policy that provides you with a sense of security.
Arteta failed to understand that. They went all in on some gimmicks and rightfully lost. They would have lost the league, too, if it weren’t for the bad competition. The whole last few months, this team just stumbled towards the finish line, desperately hoping they would at least hold on to some of the titles sitting in the palm of their hands.
Arteta however, is a ver different case. If you watch yesterdays game, that whole attack lacked confidence. Saka looked miserable throughout the game. He did what was expected of him. But you could tell he hates playing like this. And he’s not the only one. Ödegaard suffers the same fate. And that’s on Arteta.
He has degraded his attackers to actors whose sole purpose is to defend as much as possible and try to create set pieces. No room for individual brilliance. No fluid patterns of play. No Joy at all. Of course they lack confidence and joy.
And it never had to be like this. I know the way they approach set pieces has been heavily criticised. But other than the time wasting aspect, I never did mind it all that much. The rules allowed for it, so they exploited it.
But instead of this being a part of their plan, something to fall back on, when things aren’t going as planned, they made it their whole identity. It became all they do and all they know how to do. And when teams are able to prevent them from getting into these situations and are able to defend the few opportunities Arsenal did have like yesterday, they have absolutely nothing to fall back on. They had no plan b, no alternatives at all. And that’s on Arteta. And it is inexcusable, because the competition was always going to catch up on their set pieces. Advantages like this fade quickly. Other teams have set piece analysts, too. So believing that you can ride this wave all the way to a CL trophy is naive. And that’s on Arteta.
A better manager would have used the set piece strength as part of a bigger tactical approach that doesn’t stifle his own offense. Usw it as a security blanket of sorts. Let them play football (doesn’t have to be like PSG or Bayern do it) and if the game doesn’t go your way, you still have set pieces. Like an insurance policy that provides you with a sense of security.
Arteta failed to understand that. They went all in on some gimmicks and rightfully lost. They would have lost the league, too, if it weren’t for the bad competition. The whole last few months, this team just stumbled towards the finish line, desperately hoping they would at least hold on to some of the titles sitting in the palm of their hands.
This is Arteta and Arsenal in a nutshell.
All the time and effort spent towards micro-gains and specific situations is time you aren't spending developing and maturing your own playing identity.
You would barely have noticed this bloke as a player, but once he became a manager, he became the most insufferable cnut around.
I'm not sure it was a choice exactly, this was the first time we were coming up against a team that endlessly circulated the ball around. It was the beginnig of that type of football.
But the big difference is Fergie didn't like it. The finals against them that followed he vowed to not let the game play out like that again.
If Arteta got the chance to play that final again today he'd set up exactly the same way. Because that's been their go to style all season.
Absolute crybaby cnut. Got a few decisions last night too and still trying to play the victim over Manduke. If the English refs grow a pair next season Arsenal won't be retaining the title as Arteta doesn't know how to play any other way
You get to a Champions League final and all you have to lament is not getting awarded a corner or a soft penalty.
What a dreadful way to play the beautiful game.
He's not Graham Taylor, he's Señor Southgate.
What a dreadful way to play the beautiful game.
He's not Graham Taylor, he's Señor Southgate.
Nah, he was pretty good and a technical player. His main issue when it comes to reputation is that he played at the same time than a handful of great spanish midfielders. In fact his development as a player and his style are incredibly far from what he is doing with Arsenal.
Also Madueke fouled Mendes, it was a normal duel up until Madueke grabbed Mendes and they both lost balance.
Yeah and that the single biggest reason for rooting against them. I love the thread tittle change
I’m sure Arsenal employ that Albert chap just to chaperone Arteta. He’s like his carer.
He got booked last night for his touchline antics too. Beautiful. Should’ve been sent off.
In future years it would be good to hear from these players how they feel about Arteta and his pathetic pitchside antics.
It’s performative and Arsenal fans lap it up. But what effect does it have on the players?
Heh
If only arsenal were as adventurous as arteta on the touchline. Reminds me of buffon saying he is adventurous in his box.
If only arsenal were as adventurous as arteta on the touchline. Reminds me of buffon saying he is adventurous in his box.
Just like England they lose to the first top team they came up against. An easy draw to the final.
I think this hides the real quality of the team and still shows question marks of how good they really are.
They had a pretty poor performance in the final barely got a foothold in the game and surrendered control to PSG immediately upon scoring.
I think this hides the real quality of the team and still shows question marks of how good they really are.
They had a pretty poor performance in the final barely got a foothold in the game and surrendered control to PSG immediately upon scoring.
They beat Bayern this season already.
Granted though, their path to the final was a sequence of byes and their last outings vs strong sides in the league (City twice, United) weren't great
I'm talking about personality wise. He was a pretty average, but technically good player who never came across as an arrogant cnut. Once he became a manager though, that all changed.
Yeah I wasn't even looking at the first stage purely their path to the final from the knockout stages which I think is where the real test comes. They did well, if I remember correct they finished topof the table in the CL.
Still simping for Arsenal today, I see. Or are you carrying out very important fact checks. Hard to believe some supposed United fans can be so defensive about these utter cnuts.