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There is a thin line between the two and He just lacks that extra something to nudge him off from the the side of unlikable delusions of grandeur to a charismatic leader .
 

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I would like to see Spurs get top 4 ahead of them just to see if/how the narrative on him shifts. I do not dislike Arteta, though thus far I am yet to see him as any different to Ole/Lampard/Gerrard in managerial terms, but the amount of praise he gets when there are managers like Potter doing much better is crazy.

It really feels like everyone has gotten it into their minds that because he worked with Pep that he has to have inherited some of Pep’s genius despite Pep being a generational manager, and they refuse to see otherwise when it comes to Arteta.
 

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I would like to see Spurs get top 4 ahead of them just to see if/how the narrative on him shifts. I do not dislike Arteta, though thus far I am yet to see him as any different to Ole/Lampard/Gerrard in managerial terms, but the amount of praise he gets when there are managers like Potter doing much better is crazy.

It really feels like everyone has gotten it into their minds that because he worked with Pep that he has to have inherited some of Pep’s genius despite Pep being a generational manager, and they refuse to see otherwise when it comes to Arteta.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do you judge how good Potter is doing compared to Arteta if he is doing much better?
 

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There are Twitter accounts like @nonewthing who every single day keep banging on about Mikel being the heir to Pep’s positional play revolution - the ultimate winning dominant playstyle, the end of football evolution, the way the game will be played if one day it is controlled by AI.
 

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I like Arteta but boy does he come out with some odd statements sometimes. Even though he's done well this season if i was an Arsenal fan i'd be wanting to see if they could get Potter over the next year or two, won't happen though since Arteta signed a new deal. But i feel Potter would do excellent there and at some point one of the big 6 will take a chance on him, but he's be an excellent fit at Arsenal.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do you judge how good Potter is doing compared to Arteta if he is doing much better?
Quality of football is the most important metric, and Potter is miles ahead in that regard. To be fair he is ahead of most managers in the league in that regard but he plays positive attacking football. Imo Arteta’s brand of football isn’t very positive.

Then there’s performance relative to resources. Brighton are in 9th. Their wage bill is 15th which suggests significant over performance, and that’s usually the case with his Brighton team. By comparison Arsenal have the fifth highest wage bill, and you could argue that their fourth place position should be more secure considering how terrible their other two rivals for that spot have been this season including both teams having sacked their managers.
 

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Quality of football is the most important metric, and Potter is miles ahead in that regard. To be fair he is ahead of most managers in the league in that regard but he plays positive attacking football. Imo Arteta’s brand of football isn’t very positive.

Then there’s performance relative to resources. Brighton are in 9th. Their wage bill is 15th which suggests significant over performance, and that’s usually the case with his Brighton team. By comparison Arsenal have the fifth highest wage bill, and you could argue that their fourth place position should be more secure considering how terrible their other two rivals for that spot have been this season including both teams having sacked their managers.
That’s a pretty fair take. My main criticism of him is that he sometimes selects purely based on experience. With Willian last season and Lacazette this season, he waited for injury or illness to take them out of the lineup. Those minutes then went to Smith-Rowe, Martinelli and Nketiah who have really grabbed their chance. But we dropped quite a few unnecessary points while they were made to wait for their opportunity.

In some senses he is very bold and decisive (Ozil / Aubameyang). But he can also be tentative at first when dispensing with model pros who are underperforming.
 

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Quality of football is the most important metric, and Potter is miles ahead in that regard. To be fair he is ahead of most managers in the league in that regard but he plays positive attacking football. Imo Arteta’s brand of football isn’t very positive.

Then there’s performance relative to resources. Brighton are in 9th. Their wage bill is 15th which suggests significant over performance, and that’s usually the case with his Brighton team. By comparison Arsenal have the fifth highest wage bill, and you could argue that their fourth place position should be more secure considering how terrible their other two rivals for that spot have been this season including both teams having sacked their managers.
Yeah, hard to disagree really. I feel we have played some good stuff at times, but we've been inconsistent with it, & a lot of that is dealing with lack of quality squad depth.

I feel in certain areas, our drop off in quality is just too big. Tierney to Tavares, Tomiyasu to Cedric, Partey to Elneny being prime examples. It tends to turn our game chaotic, the game against Utd being a prime example.
I appreciate though, that's part and parcel of being a manager, to get not only a quality team but also a quality squad.

Also, the attack I don't think he's had the chance to rejig, & he'll do that this summer.

After a 2nd summer window, I'd be hoping for more quality, more consistency & more control in our general play next season. After this window, nearly all the players will be his. This will be his team his players, so we really need to see his image stamped on it next season.

And yeah, I'm a big fan of Potter.
 

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The concern I see with Arsenal is that their numbers haven't changed that much relative to last season. They scored 55 and conceded 39 last season; they are on 56 for and 45 against this season, will likely end with a similar goal difference. Last season they had 18 wins, 7 draws, and 13 defeats; this season they have 21 wins, 3 draws, and 12 defeats. Basically a few draws have turned into tight, one-goal wins.

It's always possible that some of this improvement is just season-to-season variance, since xG/xGA is similar across both seasons too (according to FBREF).

(of course it's also possible that next season some of these defeats turn into draws)
 

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To be honest, what does being an Ole actually mean? Why is he singled out as the manager that people get compared to now, almost like its some sort of insult? Ole done a very decent job for a couple of years, there's been a lot bigger names in terms of managerial appointments done a worse job the past few years, even at Utd post Fergie.

I don't get it.
Not really. He's the only to have not won any trophies at the club. He did alright to finish in the top 4 but in terms of quality football, excellent in the collective/coaching, signings that are geared towards success, he did nothing. He was the ultimate false dawn manager - did enough to keep his job and many convinced we were doing fine but the underlying progress wasn't really there.

Hence people are using Ole as a cautionary tale. Despite two top 4 finishes the last 4 years feel like a waste of time for us. We could have used that to modernize this team into playing some progressive footy. And maybe win a few cups too.
 

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The concern I see with Arsenal is that their numbers haven't changed that much relative to last season. They scored 55 and conceded 39 last season; they are on 56 for and 45 against this season, will likely end with a similar goal difference. Last season they had 18 wins, 7 draws, and 13 defeats; this season they have 21 wins, 3 draws, and 12 defeats. Basically a few draws have turned into tight, one-goal wins.

It's always possible that some of this improvement is just season-to-season variance, since xG/xGA is similar across both seasons too (according to FBREF).

(of course it's also possible that next season some of these defeats turn into draws)
Yes. I say it all the time, Arsenal make top 4 this season not because of improvement but because clubs like United have imploded. They even have more defeats then us and we are dire to say the least.

If Conte stays at Spurs, Arsenal will finish well below United and Spurs next season. Yet after two disastrously 8th place seasons and a campaign of massive despair for the rivals the guy has some phenomenal media support. It's quite unreal TBH.
 

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just saw the interview, what a fecking weapon

the decisions looked fine? the main person he should be mad with his holding

got schooled by Son and lost his cool
 

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Seen this coming a mile off tonight.

We aren't good enough for top 4, Spurs deserve it. Europa League is our current level with the squad options we have.
 

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He's such an arrogant tool. The way he acts on the touchline pisses me off more than Klopp, Guardiola, Conte etc. Glad when it's not going his way
 

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Easiest top 4 run for half a decade and they don’t even get it :lol:
 

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Leg one of the Arteta and Super Frankie double implosion is on course. :drool:
 

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I was praying they would make it in the top four and hand Xhaka, Eddie and Elneny new contracts.

Now they are saddled with Europa so good luck improving on fifth next season! :lol:
 

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The media will still give him an easy ride if they don't make CL football.

He should be sacked because they are not any better than they were under Emery and it's been nearly 3 years.

The fans like to say it's a process and defend him but they're going no where. Wenger out doesn't look like a good idea now does it Arsenal fans.
 

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Hopefully he stays for another year or 2 as they aren't going anywhere with this fraud.


Will prob piss away this promising youngish team as well.
 

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Will be under massive pressure next season.

Won't have a better chance of making 4th in his reign than this season imo considering they're back in europa now so will have the Thursday-Sunday dynamic again.

Pretty much same as OGS really. They look promising at times but can't take that extra step.
 

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God knows why they gave him a new deal. He’s been absolutely terrible and hasn’t progressed with Arsenal one bit after spending over 250m in 2 summers.

Crap manager
 

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God knows why they gave him a new deal. He’s been absolutely terrible and hasn’t progressed with Arsenal one but after spending over 250m in 2 summers.

Crap manager
Shhhh, let them have their Ole. God knows why anyone rates him. Even half the Arsenal fans don't.
 

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Watch everyone go crazy after a 3 game win streak or something early next season again.

What has he ever done to get so much praise? He has back to back 8th place finishes, and now probably can't even get 4th after all the money and time invested in him.
 

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Will be under massive pressure next season.

Won't have a better chance of making 4th in his reign than this season imo considering they're back in europa now so will have the Thursday-Sunday dynamic again.

Pretty much same as OGS really. They look promising at times but can't take that extra step.
He won't. Arsenal have just accepted that they're destined to be a 5-7th place club long term. They've given up
 

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Arsenal have 2 more losses than us this season and this has been hailed as our worst season in 30+ years, whereas Arsenal have been widely given plaudits for having had an excellent season.
 

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They made us look mildly coherent in attack during in that game at The Emirates, so that was a massive red flag.