He’s such an unlikeable fecking scrote.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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He’s such an unlikeable fecking scrote.
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"For my next trick, I will leave you all in Milan"
He's made Arsenal a chore to watch (didn't watch the game today)
This was him today. Said it during the game but my god they tried their hardest to resemble peak Stoke under Pulis.
This was him today. Said it during the game but my god they tried their hardest to resemble peak Stoke under Pulis.
Why does he look like Pulisic here
This was him today. Said it during the game but my god they tried their hardest to resemble peak Stoke under Pulis.
Hard to argue with this just now, it's a definite rut we are in and it's not pretty to watch, although I do remember similar being said last season around this time. I agree with Rio after the game when he was talking about movement, I said it on here last week, overlaps, underlaps, rotation of position, tempo, he needs to get back to this.
We can talk about missing Odegaard all we want, but this is what really breaks teams down. Timber at left back is hurting us currently, he doesn't provide the same movement around Martinelli as he's not comfortable on his left side.
Passes are all too slow and too safe, until we get wide and it's just slung onto the box anyway. Need to try Nwaneri instead of Trossard as he can just offer that freshness needed just now. Even if he can't last the full 90, he done more in 10 mins than Trossard offered in 80mins.
You can't be critical of Arteta. This is the best manager the world has ever seen, after all. Look at all those trophies he's won for Arsenal despite barely spending a penny.
Its a tough one with Odegaard out but I think he's taken them as far as his ability allows. I think biggest alarm bell was the CL defeat to Bayern. I can't see a top manager losing that with the form and trajectory of the 2 clubs going into that.
They should be looking to upgrade next summer but they've actually let the best candidate for the job go - Tuchel would've been the man to take them 1 step forward building on what Artetas done.
They should be looking to upgrade next summer but they've actually let the best candidate for the job go - Tuchel would've been the man to take them 1 step forward building on what Artetas done.
Ødegaard is back so no excuses now. The cheats are finished without Rodri so this sorry lot are the only ones that can stop Pool. They need to win at Chelsea or it’s game over.
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Nobody is stopping Gouda Pep
Your tone is different than when you host AFTV Robbie.....
I just can't stand the disrespect for the greatest manager of all time
This just isn't true. It's just a flippant comment with very little substance behind it.
Pep lost to Spurs in 2019 (a season where Spurs didn't even qualify for the champions league the following season) and Lyon (they finished 7th in Ligue 1 that year) the following season in 2020. Does that mean Pep isn't a top manager?
What about all the times Fergie lost against teams that on paper we should be beating. The likes of Monaco, Dortmund and Leverkusen spring to mind, all teams who didn't win their respective league that season. Is he not a top manager?
It's knockout football, these things happen in one off games and the champions league is such a difficult trophy to win. Fergie and Pep are thought of as arguably the 2 greatest managers to exist and they've only managed 5 between them despite managing some of the best teams and clubs in the game and having countless attempts at doing it.
Arteta is clearly a top-level coach. He needs to win a big one to be cemented in the elite category, but it's always going to be difficult when facing off against a city team which is built on the foundations of 115 financial doping charges and a blank cheque book to replace players on a yearly basis, even Klopp only managed it once. His ability to get his team over the line is what will get him recognised in the same breath as the likes of Klopp, Pep, Carlo, etc, not results in one-off games against other European powerhouses. Whether he can manage that remains to be seen, but he won't have any issues finding a job at another top club after his performance at Arsenal.
Arteta said they way they played against Inter, they can win at Chelsea playing that way. Thats definitely Inter-resting.
His latest moan…I mean talk about being dramatic because of a couple of injuries for a month or two…
"What I'm praying for is that after the international break we have the team fully physically equipped, that they are available and that they are fit, because, it's been a nightmare for eight weeks.
"Doubt after doubt, issue after issue, not only with the ones that are not able to play, but with the ones who are able to play.
"What I'm praying for is that after the international break we have the team fully physically equipped, that they are available and that they are fit, because, it's been a nightmare for eight weeks.
"Doubt after doubt, issue after issue, not only with the ones that are not able to play, but with the ones who are able to play.
What's your obsession with Arteta and Arsenal. I mean, we all like a moan about rival teams and managers, but you literally just log in here to that about Arteta and Arsenal specifically?! You're acting like he's shat in your chips or something.
Its coming up to his 5th year anniversary at Arsenal in a couple of weeks. One piece of silverware to his resume.
Would he have survived if he was at United?
Would he have survived if he was at United?
Do you win points for sacking a manager?
If Arteta was your manager, why would he be sacked?
'buh buh buh buh Trophies' - so why was Ten Hag sacked? Ten Hag was sacked because he showed no capability to challenge for the title.
Wenger won 3 FA Cups in 4 years and I still wanted him gone because we were still miles of it in the league and suffered a constant strong of heavy defeats.
How long do you think it will take Amorim? - For me it will take 2 year minimum before he could potentially challenge for a league. And this year wont count.
Two years for me is fair but depending on the circumstances. ETH has had more backing than any manager since Fergie and he had little to show for it. I wanted ETH out like 20months ago. The fact that he couldnt accommodate Amad into his teams made me think twice about his ability to judge talent and then to exploit it.
As for Arteta, I am starting to think that the only chance of him winning will be when Pep leaves, even though Slot has thrown a wrench into the equation. Losing one player, Odegaard and that poor run in form surprised me.
BTW, I had Arsenal down for winning the league at the start of the season.
He would have been sacked for finishing 8th twice and then bottling 4th place to spurs. Whether that is a right decision or not is a different topic but amorim himself said that United is a tough job. More media pressure, more scrutiny.
Full marks to arsenal board for backing arteta but if amorim is our manager 5 years from today, he would have one PL or CL at least or else he will be gone. One trophy from here to 2029 will be unacceptable here at United.
There was immense pressure for Arteta to be sacked when he finished 8th in his second season. Just because there is an 'expectation' a manager must be sacked under a certain set of circumstances, doesn't mean you have to do it.
Had Arsenal sacked Arteta when we finished 5th to Tottenham in 2022, I reckon we would still be hovering around 7th-4th. Like I said, you get no points for sacking a manager.
Ten Hag deserved to be sacked, because there was no visible improvement in Man United's football. Nor did he change the player power culture. We will see what Amorim does, especially with regards to the likes of Rashford. That guy showing today was utterly dismal. Once upon a time Aubamayang and Ozil and other big-name players could get away with just turning up, showing their face and getting paid. But Arteta killed player power at Arsenal. That shoud be Amorims first job at Man United. Because if he trusts the likes of Bruno and Rashford, they will let him down, just as they have let down all the mangers before him - Rashford especially.
Amorim needs at least two-years, two summer transfers windows, and he needs to sanction some big name exits.
Dislike seeing his smug little face but have to give him his flowers. Figuring out how to turn set pieces into a strength is the definition of marginal gains. It sustained him through a period where a key component of his attack was missing and continues to be the difference in close games.
There is a bit of context behind those early finishes though. The first season Arteta took over mid season. I believe we were 11th when we sacked Emery. Arteta took over, we finished 8th and he won the FA Cup beating City and Chelsea along the way buying him some good will.
The next season we started awful, and there was big pressure on him by December to be sacked as we were towards the bottom of the table. However, at the height of the pressure, he managed to get a couple of important wins by introducing Smith-Rowe and the form turned around, and the 2nd half of that season produced form which taken in isolation was basically top 4 form.
The next season we started poor with 3 defeats and pressure was on him again but we regrouped and actually challenged for top 4 missing out by a couple of points.
So although he finished 8th twice and bottled 4th by your simple definition, there were key markers for improvement, and he just about managed to get results at key times when that wained at times. However points wise there was a progression year on year the club could at least point to as well as an evolving style of play.
Would be interesting to see if Amorim would be sacked in the same circumstances? At what point do you think would be breaking point? If he finished 8th this season and won the FA Cup beating 2 teams the likes of Chelsea and City would you sack him then?
If Utd got off to and equivalent start next season to this would/should the club sack him then? If not, obviously you wouldn't sack once he had that form around.
So would it be the narrowly missing out on top 4 the following season that would be tipping point?
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Again you are not getting my point. It is not about how one individual fans feel or what they feel. The expectations at United are crazy (without any consideration of the reality). This season is a write off but if next season we finish 8th and the season after again misses out on top 4 without winning any major silverware then he would be gone. You talk about context, eth was horrible and am not defending him but even he could say last season our injury record was so bad so we finished 8th. Did the pressure become any less for him.
Ole was hounded, mocked by press even when we finished 2nd and lost the europa final. Jose was hounded after he finished 2nd and got knocked out to sevilla in ro16 in CL. The press makes your job tough.
I am not saying arteta always had it easy, he had his pressure but the board backed him. Will United board back him after two failed season with little progress, I doubt. Forget United, no top club unfortunately backs manager after that. Arteta was lucky he got backed and it is proving a right call till now, eventhough you guys have to win the big one eventually.
I agree with this point. Not to derail the thread and make about rashford but yes he was awful yesterday.
Amorim will be sacked if he finishes 8th next season. There's no doubt about that.
Arteta has been significantly backed by the club, but that doesn't mean that patience always pays off, nor does it mean that he was the best man for the job. There's an assumption I see often with Arsenal fans that no one could've done a better job, but given the time and money he was offered, which most good established managers never get theses days, I'd say there're plenty of other good managers who would've done more with less.
Just because you give a manager time, doesn't mean they will come good. Arsenal were total banter when he arrived. He has basically changed the entire culture of the club. Has total control of the dressing room and the players buy into his methods 100%. Under Emery, if Rashford were at Arsenal on 30k a week, he would have survived. However DaMarcus Rashford would not survive at Arsenal under Arteta's regime.
And how would the mighty godlike Arteta shift an underperforming player on 350k a week? People like to think sorting the Rashford situation is easy, it's far from easy.
What?Meanwhile Liverpool steam past then when they've been the closest challenger to City the last 2 years.
We were Europa League standard, heading toward bog standard, with overpaid players, terrible fan sentiment at home and away, and with no thought or direction to our style of play or within the club at all. Add chancers like Sven and you had bits of corruption creeping in to a very very toxic environment.
Mikel has been the main contributor to turning that around to the point where we're counted as contenders, and a Champions League club again. You underestimate just how far in the darkness this club had been and for how many years, though United supporters of all should understand it more than anyone.
We'll see how it turns out but I would be very very surprised if Liverpool kept this up till May. Chances are they start slipping by Feb, and City gain on them with relative ease before dispatching of us as well.
"Rashford wouldn't survive under Arteta" - and how would Arteta get rid of him then? The problem is his wage, no one with half a brain cell is going to sign Rashford on anything close to the wages he's on, he's locked in a long term contract, we're stuck with him.
Do you seriously not know who Mesut Ozil, Aubameyang, Willian, Pepe, Lacazette, David Luiz etc etc are?
It's about some short term pain on your finances, one which Ineos should be more than happy to take if it means getting your club back to contending in the near future, and with a healthy happy fanbase to boot.
He definitely would have been sacked at Chelsea in those first two years, possibly United and Tottenham too. Arsenal did well to stick with him when pretty much everyone thought he was a dud, including most Arsenal fans.
Mikel Pulis. Do they even need this guy? Just sack him and give the set piece coach the gig because that’s what their whole game is based around.