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Most overrated centre back in football so no thanks, didn’t Chong and Greenwood embarrass him and he ended up kicking lumps out of them in frustration ? Imagine how he’d fare on a weekly basis in the Premier League ?

He’s not an upgrade on Lindelof and his biggest weakness is the same as Lindelof which is pace so why sign an inferior player to Lindelof just because ? From how things have been put across over the season hasn’t Smalling been far superior in Serie A to Skriniar ? I would rather just bring Smalling back and loan out Tuanzebe to a Premier League team as even though Smalling is no good on the ball he’s great in the air and extremely quick.

If the plan is to sell Smalling as well as Jones and Rojo and bring in another centre back then it should be an upgrade on Lindelof and a centre back that helps hide Lindelof and Maguire’s biggest weakness in a lack of pace so the new centre back compliments them, I’d love for Bailly to stop the madness that goes through his mind or Tuanzebe to do a Greenwood as both have the ability to be the perfect partner for either Lindelof or Maguire.
I'm not a fan of Skriniar but keep in mind that his issues are with the role that he is currently playing, he doesn't have the burst or agility to cover the space behind his wingback in a 352. He is good in a back four but not so much in a back 3.
 

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Has never looked right for me. He seems to be overly aggressive, clumsy and lacks a bit of class on the ball.

I like Badiashile, Konate and Koulibaly.
 

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And yet you thought that he was injury prone? The only way to think that would have been to watch Leipzig last season where Konaté was playing week in week out, while Upamecano wasn't. But most importantly Upamecano isn't raw, he is young and he obviously lacks experience but he isn't raw, he also hasn't shown that he was injury prone.
I would get it if you said that you want someone with more experience but don't say that a player is something that he isn't.
Ah okay. Though I would not be completely against Upamecano. I would prioritise a back up AM before the likes of Upamecano/Konate/Ake. But would also prioritise a worldclass CB before a backup AM if that makes sense
 

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From what I’ve seen of Skriniar, he isn’t that good in the air either.

Other than the upcoming French guys, of whom I’d take Upamecano, Konate or Todibo - I kinda agree with @golden_blunder on Reuben Dias. He’s strong and proactive - and dominant in the air too. His style would compliment Maguire, although I can’t say I’ve paid too much attention to his ability on the ball.

I’m also a big fan of Ozan Kabak, who I think is as good as, if not better, than any young centre half about. Age wise, he sits in between Mengi and Tuanzebe though, and I’m not sure that’s the profile Ole would go for, unless he sold Axel.
 

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Half the caf had Tanguy Ndombele down as the solution to our midfield woes at one point. Plus ca change.
Don’t forget Seri. I was criticised for saying Ndomdele could turn out like Seri and he’s doing exactly that so far.
 

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Half the caf had Tanguy Ndombele down as the solution to our midfield woes at one point. Plus ca change.
It's too early to call him out as a flop especially since he's playing for Jose. The whole Spurs team look like crap. You can't even imagine that a year ago this team were in the CL finals. Obviously there are missing Eriksen as well but I don't think he could have done too much to get them out of this predicament. Spurs are known for free-flowing football and they've been everything but that.
 

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From what I’ve seen of Skriniar, he isn’t that good in the air either.

Other than the upcoming French guys, of whom I’d take Upamecano, Konate or Todibo - I kinda agree with @golden_blunder on Reuben Dias. He’s strong and proactive - and dominant in the air too. His style would compliment Maguire, although I can’t say I’ve paid too much attention to his ability on the ball.

I’m also a big fan of Ozan Kabak, who I think is as good as, if not better, than any young centre half about. Age wise, he sits in between Mengi and Tuanzebe though, and I’m not sure that’s the profile Ole would go for, unless he sold Axel.
Ole seems to rate Tuanzebe and getting a Konate, Upacameno would hinder his progress. Although, I do believe that getting either of them would be good for us but I think he's looking for someone around the 24/25 years age group.
 

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Ole seems to rate Tuanzebe and getting a Konate, Upacameno would hinder his progress. Although, I do believe that getting either of them would be good for us but I think he's looking for someone around the 24/25 years age group.
That would be very dumb from Ole if true. It’s equivalent to us not getting Sancho cause Greenwood is doing well.
 

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I don't see it that way but fair enough. For me rawness isn't about age or experience but how a player's tools are put together or not, it's also not about inconsistency. Upamecano has his game put together, in my opinion he isn't raw, he probably has room for improvement but I would put it more on the experience side of things when rawness is about lacking in the fundamentals. Someone like Mangala at Porto was raw and he still is, he had tools but his game was all over the place and he had no idea about how to use them which isn't the case for the players that you mentioned, Upamecano included.
So According to you who between Upamecano and Konate is the bigger talent and who would suit our team better. I haven't watched either of them barring some highlights of Konate who despite being good, looks bit clumsy and unrefined .
 

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I'm not a fan of Skriniar but keep in mind that his issues are with the role that he is currently playing, he doesn't have the burst or agility to cover the space behind his wingback in a 352. He is good in a back four but not so much in a back 3.
Haven’t seen too much of him outside of highlights JP but from the little I’ve seen, and it is something you might have touched on, but I feel he has a lack of pace to play next to Maguire. Is that fair or is he actually fast enough for a high line next to Maguire?
 

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So According to you who between Upamecano and Konate is the bigger talent and who would suit our team better. I haven't watched either of them barring some highlights of Konate who despite being good, looks bit clumsy and unrefined .
I don't know. Upamecano is better on the eye but Konaté seemingly has better stats, so I'm torn between trusting my eyes and stats. They are both good and full of potential. Konaté's agent, @Adnan, will have a more definitive answer though.
 

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Haven’t seen too much of him outside of highlights JP but from the little I’ve seen, and it is something you might have touched on, but I feel he has a lack of pace to play next to Maguire. Is that fair or is he actually fast enough for a high line next to Maguire?
I have the same feeling, he doesn't change direction quickly and is often in trouble in open space. I don't know if he is actually slow but quick players can get around him.
 

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I don't know. Upamecano is better on the eye but Konaté seemingly has better stats, so I'm torn between trusting my eyes and stats. They are both good and full of potential. Konaté's agent, @Adnan, will have a more definitive answer though.
That had me in splits though Jokes apart I do hope if we are targeting a Cb this summer then they both are under consideration.
 

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That would be very dumb from Ole if true. It’s equivalent to us not getting Sancho cause Greenwood is doing well.
That's not the same thing. We need a world-class RW and those are scarce at the moment. Sancho who happens to be 20 years of age has proven himself over the course of 2 seasons in the Bundesliga as well as in CL and therefore, he's one of the most coveted players in World football. From a marketing perspective, he would also sell a lot of shirts that Sanchez has failed to do with his horrendous performances.Given Sancho's age, he could be here for over 10 years provided Real or Barca don't turn his head.
 

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That's not the same thing. We need a world-class RW and those are scarce at the moment. Sancho who happens to be 20 years of age has proven himself over the course of 2 seasons in the Bundesliga as well as in CL and therefore, he's one of the most coveted players in World football. From a marketing perspective, he would also sell a lot of shirts that Sanchez has failed to do with his horrendous performances.Given Sancho's age, he could be here for over 10 years provided Real or Barca don't turn his head.
Kanote and Upamecano are already better than Tuanzebe. We also NEED a center back. If given the chance to sign either of them we absolutely should. No point saying Tuanzebe CAN be great so let’s just wait. We need options all over the team for proper depth. If Tuanzebe is good enough he needs to get over his injuries and prove himself just like everyone else.
 

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Kanote and Upamecano are already better than Tuanzebe. We also NEED a center back. If given the chance to sign either of them we absolutely should. No point saying Tuanzebe CAN be great so let’s just wait. We need options all over the team for proper depth. If Tuanzebe is good enough he needs to get over his injuries and prove himself just like everyone else.
Dude, if it was up to me, I would have signed Konate or Upamecano by now, but Ole seems to rate Tuanzebe and wants to give him a proper run in the team. If it wasn't for his injury this season, I'm pretty sure Tuanzebe would have been the first choice as Maguire's partner. Tuanzebe was even given the armband in one of the games ahead of the likes of Rashford, Pogba and other senior stars.

Now I'm not sure if Tuanzebe has got a recurring injury. If so, then it would make sense to have him as a backup defender. But the matter of fact is that we've got 7 CBs at the club and that's not even including Mengi whose got a bright future as well. We need to get the likes of Jones, Smalling, Rojo, and even Bailly out of the club first.

On a side note, I do like the look of Ozan Kabak (from the youtube clips I've seen). He gets stuck in and seems to be pretty fast. Does anyone have an update on him? and how he would fit in with Maguire?
 

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Kanote and Upamecano are already better than Tuanzebe. We also NEED a center back. If given the chance to sign either of them we absolutely should. No point saying Tuanzebe CAN be great so let’s just wait. We need options all over the team for proper depth. If Tuanzebe is good enough he needs to get over his injuries and prove himself just like everyone else.
Yes we need a centre back but I doubt Ole would be looking for one that is still young and growing to replace Lindelof. Especially when we already have Tuanzebe and Mengi that are young. Someone older and more established should be what we are looking for to pair with Maguire
 

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Yes we need a centre back but I doubt Ole would be looking for one that is still young and growing to replace Lindelof. Especially when we already have Tuanzebe and Mengi that are young.
Again it’s well and good we have potential but those guys are already proven at a bigger stage. Clear out deadwood and have Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe and one of Kanote/Upamecano and then Mengi as an option.
 

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Again it’s well and good we have potential but those guys are already proven at a bigger stage. Clear out deadwood and have Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe and one of Kanote/Upamecano and then Mengi as an option.
I don't know about you but we currently have 12 clean sheets and conceded 6 in 17 games with our current back line. Asides from squad depth I personally don't see how Konate* or Upamecano can elevate us pass that level. I mean if you think a back line of Shaw Maguire Konate and AWB can win us the league then our current back line of Shaw Maguire Lindelof and AWB is also good enough to do the same
 

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I have the same feeling, he doesn't change direction quickly and is often in trouble in open space. I don't know if he is actually slow but quick players can get around him.
I watched the highlights for inter against Verona and I am sure it was Skriniar who had a player skip past him with ease in the byeline - a bit like Maguires situation against Bournemouth.

Of course defenders get beaten occasionally, but what I saw was a serious lack of acceleration which IMO, is not the right attribute for someone to play what to Maguire.
 

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I don't know. Upamecano is better on the eye but Konaté seemingly has better stats, so I'm torn between trusting my eyes and stats. They are both good and full of potential. Konaté's agent, @Adnan, will have a more definitive answer though.
I'm British, so I could be Jonathan Barnett.. :D
 

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I don't know about you but we currently have 12 clean sheets and conceded 6 in 17 games with our current back line. Asides from squad depth I personally don't see how Konate* or Upamecano can elevate us pass that level. I mean if you think a back line of Shaw Maguire Konate and AWB can win us the league then our current back line of Shaw Maguire Lindelof and AWB is also good enough to do the same
Our CB pairing have a mistake in them all the time. If we are to have any plans of winning the league anytime soon, we'll need a formidable CB partnership like Vidic/ Ferdinand. As of now, Lindelof does not compliment Maguire all that well and we could get exposed. Konate offers more pace than Lindelof and could protect us when Maguire is caught off guard or dribbled across.
 

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Our CB pairing have a mistake in them all the time. If we are to have any plans of winning the league anytime soon, we'll need a formidable CB partnership like Vidic/ Ferdinand. As of now, Lindelof does not compliment Maguire all that well and we could get exposed. Konate offers more pace than Lindelof and could protect us when Maguire is caught off guard or dribbled across.
Why would United decide to sign a centre back who only had 6 league playing time as starter this season, 27 last season and 14 two seasons ago as an upgrade of Lindelof? It doesn't make any sense. I can understand if United try to buy him for a small fees like 20m-30m for a punt. However, his current transfer value is 40m, with an unknown release clause, I expect RB Leipzig to sell him much more than that and I doubt the club will take a risk to spend the money on him at the moment.
 

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Our CB pairing have a mistake in them all the time. If we are to have any plans of winning the league anytime soon, we'll need a formidable CB partnership like Vidic/ Ferdinand. As of now, Lindelof does not compliment Maguire all that well and we could get exposed. Konate offers more pace than Lindelof and could protect us when Maguire is caught off guard or dribbled across.
Sounds to me like Maguire is the one that needs replacing. I'll say it again though, if people think Shaw Maguire Konate Awb is good enough to win the league then our current back line that has conceded 6 and kept 12 clean sheets in 17 - Shaw Maguire Lindelof Awb is also good enough.
 

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Why would United decide to sign a centre back who only had 6 league playing time as starter this season, 27 last season and 14 two seasons ago as an upgrade of Lindelof? It doesn't make any sense. I can understand if United try to buy him for a small fees like 20m-30m for a punt. However, his current transfer value is 40m, with an unknown release clause, I expect RB Leipzig to sell him much more than that and I doubt the club will take a risk to spend the money on him at the moment.
I doubt Ole would even be looking for a young centre back to replace Lindelof with the way he rates Tuanzebe and with Mengi coming through
 

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I doubt Ole would even be looking for a young centre back to replace Lindelof with the way he rates Tuanzebe and with Mengi coming through
If you are old enough you are good enough. Doesn't matter what the age is. However, I doubt we will spend 40m-60m on centre back who still lacks of experience.
 

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If you are old enough you are good enough. Doesn't matter what the age is. However, I doubt we will spend 40m-60m on centre back who still lacks of experience.
Well any young centre back lacks enough experience. Besides I don't think there's any at the moment that is good enough to turn the back line into the title winning one that people on here want
 

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I recently made a post about him in the newbie forum. I think he's pretty average, he was sent off a few days ago and I don't see anything special about him. I say pass.
 

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Well any young centre back lacks enough experience. Besides I don't think there's any at the moment that is good enough to turn the back line into the title winning one that people on here want
The point is that if you are old you are good enough. Pique moved to Barcelona is a good example.

If we spend on 25m on Joe Rodon for example, a Swansea 22 years old centre back and he turns up to be good then good for us, if he turns up to be flop then 25m is nothing. If we spend on 40m-60m on those inexperienced or unproven enough then it's so much risky, not worth the risk.

I am much more worry having look at our centre back option apart from Maguire & Lindelof, and we got Bailly, Jones & injury prone Tuanzebe.
 

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The point is that if you are old you are good enough. Pique moved to Barcelona is a good example.

If we spend on 25m on Joe Rodon for example, a Swansea 22 years old centre back and he turns up to be good then good for us, if he turns up to be flop then 25m is nothing. If we spend on 40m-60m on those inexperienced or unproven enough then it's so much risky, not worth the risk.

I am much more worry having look at our centre back option apart from Maguire & Lindelof, and we got Bailly, Jones & injury prone Tuanzebe.
Yes it's what i think too. We need a centre back but if we are getting a centre back to upgrade on Lindelof then we are likely to spend 40m + and for that price it has to be a big upgrade on Lindelof whether he is old or young. And I don't think there is one that matches that description available.

But we still need a centre back because like you said take off Maguire and Lindelof and our other options are worrying. For me it's either we spend 40m + on a centre back that's a big upgrade on Lindelof if such a player is available or we go for a cheap solid low risk high reward CB. Heard good things about Salisu from La liga fans and is only available for 8m
 

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Yes it's what i think too. We need a centre back but if we are getting a centre back to upgrade on Lindelof then we are likely to spend 40m + and for that price it has to be a big upgrade on Lindelof whether he is old or young. And I don't think there is one that matches that description available.

But we still need a centre back because like you said take off Maguire and Lindelof and our other options are worrying. For me it's either we spend 40m + on a centre back that's a big upgrade on Lindelof if such a player is available or we go for a cheap solid low risk high reward CB. Heard good things about Salisu from La liga fans and is only available for 8m
I heard good things about Bailly from La Liga....
 

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Yes it's what i think too. We need a centre back but if we are getting a centre back to upgrade on Lindelof then we are likely to spend 40m + and for that price it has to be a big upgrade on Lindelof whether he is old or young. And I don't think there is one that matches that description available.

But we still need a centre back because like you said take off Maguire and Lindelof and our other options are worrying. For me it's either we spend 40m + on a centre back that's a big upgrade on Lindelof if such a player is available or we go for a cheap solid low risk high reward CB. Heard good things about Salisu from La liga fans and is only available for 8m
He hasn't even get into Ghana international team and this season is his first professional season. I'll be worry to even spend that 8m on him. I fancy Ake more for 25m-30m, experienced & proven.
 

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There will always be failures and successes. That's why it's low risk high reward. I heard good things about Maguire from Hull City.
You are comparing a player who has lot of professional football with Hull City to two players who only play 1 full season professional. Before move to United, Bailly only had 1 full season professional football with his club and the same with Salisu this season.
 

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Skrinial is very good defender who is not suited to 3 CB in conte's system. Problem with him is, he is not that fast (maybe he is quick but his first steps and agility looks quite slow). On the ball he is nothing special, but not bad either. I would say its same for the air. Why we would buy player for lets say 70mil when he is not even complimenting Maguire lack of pace and he is not that much better then lindoloef, just more aggressive a strong.
 

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You are comparing a player who has lot of professional football with Hull City to two players who only play 1 full season professional. Before move to United, Bailly only had 1 full season professional football with his club and the same with Salisu this season.
You take every post too literally and never understand the point because of that. I'm comparing a player who showed potential and was available for cheap to another player like that. We wanted to buy a 16 year old for 20m + that has one season in the championship aand his highest international level is England U17 as his professional experience. We wanted to buy him because he is low risk high reward. Sancho went to Dortmund for 8m from City's youth academy. We got Hannibal for 9m. We did the same for Dalot. All were gotten because it was low risk high reward. But I bet you are going to come up with a reason why I should not compare a club getting Salisu for 8m to those players above
 
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You take every post too literally and never understand the point because of that. I'm comparing a player who showed potential and was available for cheap to another player like that. We wanted to buy a 16 year old for 20m + that has one season in the championship aand his highest international level is England U17 as his professional experience. We wanted to buy him because he is low risk high reward. Sancho went to Dortmund for 8m from City's youth academy. But I bet you are going to come up with a reason not to compare a club getting Salisu for 8m to those players above
If anything here is that you are the one who missed the point. Professional experience isn't the point, it's only part of many negative point of signing the player. The point is about signing the right player. The poster made a good point when we have similar case about Bailly last time, a foreign player who is going to move to bigger league, different country & bigger club, a centre back with only little experienced in both professional & 0 international and rely on pace a lot. May be stick with Bailly is a better idea here than signing the player.